How legit are places like gunbroker.com


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pj777
February 3, 2014, 05:11 PM
Here's my situation. My brother-in-law wants a specific Sig 1911 for his birthday, but no local places have it (my sister assigned this task to me). I can special order one but its more expensive than buying one normally.

I was curious, so I looked on gunbroker.com to see what they had, and I found a few deals that were exactly what he wanted. They were cheaper than store prices and shipping was free on some. I know FFL transfer fees would come into play with this method.

If there're any people who've used websites like these, my question is how legit are they? Am I safe to say that if I buy the pistol I want from a positively reviewed member that I won't get screwed on it somehow?

I'm kinda skeptical about making a big purchase like that without seeing the product first OR seeing the seller face-to-face, so now I'm curious on what other's experience on these websites have been.

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DBH45
February 3, 2014, 05:33 PM
I recently made a purchase on GB and I might add my first. The transaction could not have been any smoother. So I would say if the price is right and the seller has positive feed back, go for it.

GL

spm
February 3, 2014, 05:33 PM
Here's my situation. My brother-in-law wants a specific Sig 1911 for his birthday, but no local places have it (my sister assigned this task to me). I can special order one but its more expensive than buying one normally.

I was curious, so I looked on gunbroker.com to see what they had, and I found a few deals that were exactly what he wanted. They were cheaper than store prices and shipping was free on some. I know FFL transfer fees would come into play with this method.

If there're any people who've used websites like these, my question is how legit are they? Am I safe to say that if I buy the pistol I want from a positively reviewed member that I won't get screwed on it somehow?

I'm kinda skeptical about making a big purchase like that without seeing the product first OR seeing the seller face-to-face, so now I'm curious on what other's experience on these websites have been.

I don't have any experience with online sites other than Gunbroker, but GB is legit. I have purchased three guns and sold one through GB. Just do your due diligence with the seller. Check their feedback. I made it a point to avoid anyone with even one negative feedback and have not had a problem. Many sellers will have a return policy, if you're not satisfied with the gun. Shop them, first. At some point, it ends up being a leap of faith, but if you are careful and go slowly, you increase your chances of a good experience. Again, do your diligence; check the feedback.

Good luck,
s.

dogtown tom
February 3, 2014, 05:39 PM
pj777 If there're any people who've used websites like these, my question is how legit are they?


GunBroker is every bit as "legit' as is Ebay...........both have their share of scammers, liars and frauds.

Check the sellers feedback as a seller. Check what items he has sold previously. Just like Ebay, some scammers will sell dozens of cheap items at a loss or to friends just to build up positive feedback.

If the price is too good to be true.........pass.

Ks5shooter
February 3, 2014, 05:40 PM
Buying from Gunbroker for years,never an issue.....Don

grimjaw
February 3, 2014, 05:41 PM
My experience with the site itself is good. As others have mentioned, just like with ebay, the individual sellers and buyers are where the questions come in.

powder
February 3, 2014, 05:45 PM
I bought my SIG 1911 from a GB Distributor, shoot me a PM for reference.

ColtPythonElite
February 3, 2014, 05:47 PM
Bought several off GB and never had an issue...Same for Bud's.

Frosty Dave
February 3, 2014, 05:50 PM
I've also made a few purchases via GB over the years and have been very happy with the experience.

You have the right idea, check the seller's feedback, terms, shipping and if everything looks good, then you're probably fine. True, you can't handle the merchandise but a good seller will provide the most accurate description and the best photos possible. It's in the legitimate business's interest to make a sale that you're happy with.

I don't automatically reject a seller for negative feedback, but I will look at the comments with negative ratings to see why, and how the seller treated the buyer's complaint.

Agsalaska
February 3, 2014, 05:56 PM
Good. Look for positive ratings on sellers.

On a side note, I have found Gunbroker to be much more expensive on used guns, especially the kind of stuff I am in too(levers, old revolvers,etc) and much cheaper on new guns. If I was looking for, say, a mid eighties JM stamped Marlin 444, I would try to find it local. If I wanted a M&P compact with an external safety, I would go to Gunbroker every time.

ArmedLiberal
February 3, 2014, 06:10 PM
Have bought 5 or 6 guns from Gun Broker and also Gun Auction over several years. Never a problem. But you need to be just a little wary. I have bid on maybe a dozen or so others I lost out on cause I wasn't willing to pay as much as others were.

I have avoided those sellers who are first time users or have only listed two or three times. Always review the feedback.

Also avoid auctions with skimpy descriptions or only one or two out of focus pictures. Ask questions if you need to. If you ask a question do you get a prompt and satisfactory response? Evasive answers always a red flag. If you want an example of ideal gun descriptions search for Lock Stock and Barrel on GunAuction.com for some examples.

Most of those listing on these auction sites make some or most of their living off of their good reputations/feedback and will be careful to satisfy their customers. The feedback system really works.

I have never had a problem sending off funds and waiting for shipment.

Check with your local FFLs and know what their fees are so you can know what your final all inclusive price will be.

http://fflgundealers.net/

Of course it's also wise to have a good understanding of the market value of the gun you're considering. Fantastic bargains do exist but are generally very rare.

I've had only good experiences with online firearms auctions and also I have been moderately wary and paid attention to the details. I've also spent some enjoyable hours browsing for guns I don't have the money to buy, like it's the worlds biggest gun catalog.

Lakeshore
February 3, 2014, 07:01 PM
I've done a half dozen purchases on GB last couple of years and so far have dodged the bullet (pun intended) of any problems whatsoever.

For firearms the one thing I ALWAYS do is call or email the seller to ensure that the pictured gun is actually the one being auctioned. So far I've only caught one who fessed up to using a stock photo -of a completely different model gun! - and he immediately went back and amended his GB description.

artpotts
February 3, 2014, 07:16 PM
Ask your LGS about transfer fees, etc. Here in WA we also pay sales tax on the purchase price when he does the transfer. Small shops are also more willing to order one in from their distributor without charging extra.

Tinpig
February 3, 2014, 07:20 PM
I used the advanced search option on Gunbroker to find a Remington M1917 that was for sale only 30 miles away from me. After I won the GB auction the seller and I did a legal FTF transfer. Best of all worlds for both of us...cash transaction, no shipping, no FFL involved, and a chance to inspect the rifle before paying.

I took the usual precautions for a FTF (talked to the seller on the phone, verified his address, had my oldest son along riding shotgun, and met the guy in daylight in a very public parking lot.) It was a beautiful rifle, he was great and we had coffee and talked guns after.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc91/ccanhamjr/Guns/IMG_0200.jpg

Tinpig

243winxb
February 3, 2014, 07:44 PM
Verified Members & FFL holders should be extra safe .

Nite Ryder
February 3, 2014, 08:56 PM
Buying from GunBroker is safer than selling on GunBroker. When you are selling, if someone decides they don't want the firearm after they have won the bid, there isn't much you can do about it. But GunBroker still charges you for the sale even if the buyer won't pay. There is no one at GunBroker who will help you, no human to talk to. Anytime you are dealing with the public there is a chance someone will be dishonest and cheat you. You accept that chance you are taking or pay the higher price elsewhere. I've bought many guns from the GunBroker auction, and I've been lucky, everyone went smoothly.

DammitBoy
February 3, 2014, 09:15 PM
I am a gunbrokeraholic. Never a bad transaction out of dozens.

CatManDo
February 3, 2014, 09:22 PM
Can you actually buy a gun for someone else? I know it aught to be legal, but with all the "straw purchase" regulations I'm nervous about buying a handgun for my wife for conceal carry.
With that said, here's a site that searches for the gun you are looking for and lists the sources starting with the least expensive. BTW, nothing wrong with GB.
www.gunwwatcher.com
I've used it and it's great.
CMD

JoeMal
February 3, 2014, 09:27 PM
I've bought several items on Gunbroker. And honestly, as much as people dog it, I've gotten some great deals.

Buy with confidence

silicosys4
February 3, 2014, 09:29 PM
You can find some very nice firearms from online gun auctions. However, like others have said, you have to be careful, and realize over all one thing.

If everything goes south, you are on your own. The auction site themselves will do next to nothing to help you if you are scammed somehow.

If you pay by credit card, this helps somewhat in that you can issue chargebacks if you are unsatisfied. You can also refuse to transfer the gun, and pay to have it shipped back. If you pay by card and the gun is significantly damaged or not as described and you have it shipped back, you should be able to regain your funds.

A US postal money order is no more secure or theft proof than any other form of payment, but many sellers insist on that form of payment, as its easy to cash in any post office.

I have had numerous online auction gun purchases. I have been happy with the majority of them, and have a few preferred sellers that I know are honest and descriptive. Definitely look for good feedback, and a lot of it.

I have had to send a few guns back, and received refunds without having to pursue them. I have only been outright burned once by a seller that sold me a gun via gunbroker, accidentally sold the gun on another auction, required me to wait indefinitely until he got another back in stock, then charged me a restocking fee of over $200 when i issued a chargeback. Dont use a debit card, use a credit card....the cc company WILL get their money back.

RPRNY
February 3, 2014, 09:54 PM
Good. Look for positive ratings on sellers.

On a side note, I have found Gunbroker to be much more expensive on used guns, especially the kind of stuff I am in too(levers, old revolvers,etc) and much cheaper on new guns. If I was looking for, say, a mid eighties JM stamped Marlin 444, I would try to find it local. If I wanted a M&P compact with an external safety, I would go to Gunbroker every time.

Excellent observations with which I would largely concur. However, if one takes time, up to a couple of months, on the older firearm, one can find it on GB. Also, I have had some real steals by just checking the last thirty minutes of auctions under a caliber or maker that interests me.

Agsalaska
February 3, 2014, 10:13 PM
Excellent observations with which I would largely concur. However, if one takes time, up to a couple of months, on the older firearm, one can find it on GB. Also, I have had some real steals by just checking the last thirty minutes of auctions under a caliber or maker that interests me.
Yep. But you have to be patient and understand that it is a 1 in 100 occurrence. The same thing happens on ebay. You just have to be there ready when it does.

I was watching a no reserve auction not long ago that went for about 70% of what three or for other had gone in a very short period of time. It does happen.

slumlord44
February 3, 2014, 10:23 PM
Good advice here. Check feedback and return policy. Buy from an established seller. I have been buying mostly C&R guns for many years with only a few minor glitches.

barnbwt
February 3, 2014, 10:40 PM
Best advice is to look for weird stuff while:

-Engaging the seller after sale, and not just giving them your money blindly
-Checking the info they give you against their contact info
-Knowing what you are buying; price, condition, features, legality*
-Having the wherewithal to recognize "shady" behavior
-Not being a blowhard who flips out on the seller/buyer for any reason. Getting pissed accomplishes nothing but getting them dead set on screwing you over, whether it's a scam or innocent misunderstanding

*I.E. don't be those idiots buying illegal machineguns in the form of barely-demilled old-style PPSH kits :banghead:. If it weren't for a bunch of them popping up simultaneously, I might not think they were a sting operation. I'd also put various pistol shoulder stocks in this camp as well, since many sellers will pawn them off on people expecting them to know SBR laws (as they should, being the liable party, but still)

"Also, I have had some real steals by just checking the last thirty minutes of auctions under a caliber or maker that interests me."
Oh, so you're that jerk. I swear, I can bid on the longest-listed, most obscure nonsense imaginable, and some piker will dive in at the last minute, I assume because he thinks I know something he doesn't. Yes, it's that I actually want the item and he doesn't :D.

TCB

RPRNY
February 3, 2014, 11:01 PM
I[/I] actually want the item and he doesn't :D.

TCB


:D now, now. A free market is indeed a free market... ;)

medalguy
February 3, 2014, 11:25 PM
I've bought a lot and sold a few on GB. Never had a problem with any of the transactions, but I always check feedback and I'm sure of what I'm bidding on-- good clear pictures and I understand exactly what I'm bidding on.

CatManDo, if you're buying a pistol for your wife, and you buy it with your money and gift it to her, that's fine. If she gives you her money and asks you to buy a specific gun for her, that's not legal. BTW a straw purchase applies only to a transfer from a FFL, not a FTF sale.

toivo
February 4, 2014, 12:14 AM
I've probably got about a dozen GB transactions under my belt with no problems at all.

As others have said, it all depends on the seller. Look for somebody with a lot of transactions and little or no negative feedback. If somebody has 10 transactions, I don't want to see any negative feedback. If somebody has 4,000 transactions, 5 negative feedbacks aren't going to bother me: a number like that just indicates the percentage of a******s in the general public.

Just don't get sucked into bidding wars. Set a reasonable limit and stick to it. If you don't get one, there'll be another coming up soon -- unless you're looking at something really rare, but that's another ballgame altogether.

pj777
February 4, 2014, 11:43 AM
Sweet, this is the exact kind of feedback I needed. I know about transfer issues and straw purchases. If She goes this method it's her that'll actually be buying it, filling out the forms and everything, I'm just scouting for deals since she doesn't really know what to look for.

CatManDo
February 4, 2014, 11:48 AM
http://www.vizardsgunsandammo.com/product-p/10-0213810.htm

clance
February 4, 2014, 01:00 PM
I am a current buyer/seller on GB, this is primarily due to the fact that GB is the biggest auction site, with the most selection on the net. But I did at one time had another account which I closed due to a conflict that I had with the organization customer service policies.

A year ago I purchased a Fox Sterlingworth 20ga from a seller that goes by buck39 that advertise the Fox on his auction as "Super Nice!" I had also emailed him several questions concerning the condition of the firearm (any dents, pitting or barrel wobble) which I was mislead (told couple dents, counted 10/ no pitting, had to have the barrels honed due to extent of pitting and told no wobble, that is as long as you keep the forearm on) and on one important issue uninformed (bulges down 11-12" in both barrels) .

I refuse to send the firearm back to buck39 until I received "ALL" my money back. I contacted GB forwarding all the evidence (copy of the auction, emails, & photos) concerning the fraudulent claims by buck39, yet GB refuse to move on my claims.

Instead they hid behind their policies, and supported buck39 as the seller cause I refused to send the firearm back for his inspection per their policies. As I explained to GB, buck39 lied to me twice concerning the condition of the firearm (violation of 2 of their precious policies). How do you expect me to send the gun back and believe that he wouldn't claim that the firearm was anything but as described in his auction and email?

If it wasn't for the fact that GB is the largest thus the place to go to find that hard to get firearm, I wouldn't do business with them.

dogtown tom
February 4, 2014, 01:13 PM
clance.......I refuse to send the firearm back to buck39 until I received "ALL" my money back. I contacted GB forwarding all the evidence (copy of the auction, emails, & photos) concerning the fraudulent claims by buck39, yet GB refuse to move on my claims.
As they should.
Want a refund? Return the gun.



Instead they hid behind their policies, and supported buck39 as the seller cause I refused to send the firearm back for his inspection per their policies.
Bravo to GB for abiding by their written policies!
It isn't "hiding"........it's there in black and white. Just because you failed to read GB's policies before you bid its a bit unfair to whine about them "hiding" afterward..




As I explained to GB, buck39 lied to me twice concerning the condition of the firearm (violation of 2 of their precious policies). How do you expect me to send the gun back and believe that he wouldn't claim that the firearm was anything but as described in his auction and email?
How do you know until you send it back?;)
How does the seller know that YOU aren't scamming him?:scrutiny:

HammsBeer
February 4, 2014, 07:37 PM
Bought 4 guns off gunbroker, all transactions went smoothly.

My biggest advice, bid on auctions that have lots of good clear pictures with close detail of important markings. If you have any doubts, ask them questions. One old milsurp rifle I got was in good condition as described, but I didn't realize it had been refinished which would have been hard to tell by the grainy pictures. The price was right though so I kept it.

PT92
February 4, 2014, 07:52 PM
At least five GB purchases for me in the past five years and I have not had a single problem (100% positive).

460Kodiak
February 5, 2014, 11:34 AM
GB is just as legit as ebay. Just pay attention to the seller's feedback and you should be ok. Communication is important. I'm actually waiting on an old pinfire revolver I bought. Should be here Friday.

silicosys4
February 5, 2014, 12:03 PM
GB is just as legit as ebay. Just pay attention to the seller's feedback and you should be ok. Communication is important. I'm actually waiting on an old pinfire revolver I bought. Should be here Friday.

Waaaay less protection than eBay, as paypal...anti gun as they are....offers buyer protection above and beyond any gun auction site.
eBay will actually go to bat for you in their buyer protection. GB doesn't care two whits about you or if you are being scammed as a buyer, because they don't make money off of buyers. They will, however, erase negative feedback left by unhappy buyers, in order to protect their cash cows, the seller. Ask me how I know.

The best thing is to just be careful, and try not to be in that situation.

Redlg155
February 6, 2014, 06:55 AM
I never buy used and always ask questions. Dealers are usually the safest, but read the ship times in the small print! Many dealers don't have the gun in stock at the time of ordering and have to get it from "their" warehouse before shipping to you. There are also those who advertise, but state you need to call first because they are also selling it locally.

osteodoc08
February 6, 2014, 08:29 AM
I've purchased on gunbroker tons of times. I make sure they have 1000+ sales with A+ ratings and take a credit card for payment. That takes 'most' of the risk out of it. I dont purchase from a non FFL or someone that is 'new' to gunbroker or if there is anythign that makes the hair on my neck stand up. Feel free to call them and talk to them too, if they dont call or return calls shortly, just let it go and move on to the next one.

While the days of "awesome finds" are diminished due to the internet, it is possible to get anythign you want for a 'reasonable and realistic' price. Sometimes you just have to wait. Patience is a virtue.

On An Island
February 6, 2014, 08:39 AM
I've had no problems on Gunbroker. But, so far I'm only getting ammo there.

OcelotZ3
February 7, 2014, 12:10 AM
Been buying stuff since 2007 and never had an issue (man items). Just made my first sale the other day too, again no issue.

7.62 Nato
February 7, 2014, 12:23 AM
I've done some GB purchases, and one sale without a problem. However I would suggest you do internet searches for the gun first. The seller can ship to your local FFL where your buddys wife can purchase it. The auction route can get expensive. I would suggest that after you locate the item that she communicates with the seller and FFL whether it's on GB or not.

mr.trooper
February 7, 2014, 09:00 AM
gunbroker.com is a brokerage service, and is 100% legit. Some of the sellers using this service may be sluggards, but the service itself is professional, reliable, and legitimate. They have facilitated several purchases for me.

anothernewb
February 7, 2014, 10:44 AM
Like any sales place, caveat emptor is the first and foremost rule. Do your homework and you'll always have the best chance of coming out fine.

GB is like any other ebay or internet site. you have to see what you can trust from the seller, look for how knowledgeable the post about the item is. Look for credentials, bot-type spelling problems, "stock" photos" that kind of stuff. if you're unsure, initiate some contact. I have not personally bought things from there, but I've had success here, with facebook and other enthusiast forums.

FROGO207
February 7, 2014, 03:49 PM
I have had over 100 purchases/sales on GB with NO problems. Read the feedback and when in doubt ask questions or ask for more photos. If they do as asked and you are satisfied with the answers go for it.:scrutiny:

KTXdm9
February 8, 2014, 06:34 PM
Multiple gunbroker purchases, zero issues. Just pay attention to feedback, product descriptions, etc. I have seen a few things listed that I decided not to bid on after investigating further.

clance
February 8, 2014, 10:54 PM
As they should.
Want a refund? Return the gun.

You do realize that GB is owned by a gun shop don't you? While I didn't mention it I did ask that they act as a non-partial 3rd party and hold the shotgun until issue resolved. Needless to say they never respond to this request.


Bravo to GB for abiding by their written policies!
It isn't "hiding"........it's there in black and white. Just because you failed to read GB's policies before you bid its a bit unfair to whine about them "hiding" afterward..

Maybe you should reread the: GunBroker.comŽ User Agreement/I. Registration and Posting/6. Accuracy(http://www.gunbroker.com/User/UserAgreement.aspx)

"You represent and warrant that all information given to us (including your name, address and other information associated with your account (“User Information”)), and all information communicated to other users of the Site, whether in a Listing or a Posting(email?), is true, accurate, up-to-date and not misleading."

II. Transactions on the Site/5. Buyers and Sellers/b. Seller Undertakings
"(ii) You represent to us that (A) you have the legal right to sell the Items you list, and (B) the sale of your Items on the Site will not (1) be fraudulent or involve the sale of counterfeit or stolen items, (2) shall not infringe any parties’ copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other proprietary rights or rights of publicity or privacy, or (3) violate any Legal Requirement (including without limitation those Legal Requirements governing export or import control, consumer protection, unfair competition, anti-discrimination or false advertising).


Or: GunBroker.com Site Rules /Sellers’ Rules/2. Listing Content/Paragraph 5
http://www.gunbroker.com/User/SiteRules.aspx

"Your description of the Item must be accurate and truthful. Adding additional unrelated keywords to your Listing to make it appear through our search facilities is prohibited. Item titles may not be in ALL CAPS. We do not allow the posting of multiple Listings for the same item; excessive duplicate Listings may be removed at our sole discretion without notice."


Now it might just be me, but it seems to me that if someone claims that a firearm is "Super Nice" and when question concerning specific concerns tells me it only a couple dent when the barrels have a total of 10, no pitting, when both barrels had to be honed and don't divulge that both barrels have bulges in them. To me and the sections that I copy and paste above would seem that the seller was the one that violated the rules/policies and lose all protection of any rules/policy of GB.

Oh by the way not only do I have pictures of the mess that was sold me. But I have the gunsmith that acted as the transfer agent that would support my claims, plus due to the fact I was stuck with the gun (THANK YOU GB!), a well known metal smith in the shotgun world that did his best to fix the barrels can vouch to the condition of the gun.

Maybe you should review the above Users Agreement and Site Rules...


How do you know until you send it back?;)
How does the seller know that YOU aren't scamming him?:scrutiny:

Really! I have the proof (copy of the auction page, email, pictures, and 2 eye witnesses)that the man lies to me twice and you expect me to give him a third time to screw me? As it is obvious you're a dealer from your signature I can understand where your coming from.

orpington
February 9, 2014, 08:53 AM
I know, with the 'ease' of finding things on the internet, the allure of Gunbroker is certainly there. Having said that, I would NEVER purchase a firearm over the internet, sight unseen, from a site like Gunbroker. I think that the quality of photographs and one's perception of a firearm vs. the seller's can be quite a bit different. Maybe if it was of nominal value ($200 or under), I might take a gamble, but, so far, I have not. Believe me, when I first got into firearms as a teenager, I thought that some of this stuff was one of a kind, but, the longer I am in it, I see a lot of stuff I never thought existed in conditions that one would not expect (I am mostly into pre-1899 stuff). The price on some of this stuff, however, is another matter! If you are looking for something unique (one-of-a-kind), then maybe it is worth the drive (or flight, depending what it is). If you are looking for something more common, it is worth attending Gun Shows. If you find something more run of the mill on the internet, and the seller is within a reasonable distance, it is worth checking it out first, before dishing out lots of cash. Just my opinion here...

fourspeed2
February 9, 2014, 10:22 AM
I personally have had at least 88 transaction on gunbroker and I have yet to have a bad situation. I have purchased anything from used brass to AR-15's on this sight and never had a problem of any sorts. Most of the people there are just like us involved in firearms to some degree. I have even done a straight up swap that involved my firearm for his. He drew up a contract and we both signed with both of our FFLs to agree to receive and transfer our firearms . It all worked out great and we are both very happy with our trade. There is also a number that is applied to buyers and sellers grading them on their transactions. I am 88+.It seems most people in the community of firearms are pretty righteous people,(at least my experience). If you see a seller with 2643+ next to his name, you can be pretty certain you are dealing with a trustworthy human. And you can even read that sellers buyers comments on rating the buyer. It's really a great way to buy things. OH did I mention no state tax providing they (the seller) are from a different state )I give gunbroker a A+A+A+ RATING.

DammitBoy
February 9, 2014, 11:15 AM
I've made plenty of purchases over $1000 through gunbroker and I've always been 100% satisfied with the firearms I bought.

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