would you trade .22lr for a winchester 9422?


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silicosys4
February 4, 2014, 05:29 AM
Hello,
I have an interesting question,
I have an excess of .22 ammo purchased prior to the panic, when prices were much lower.
I found a first or second year of production Winchester 9422 in decent shape in a pawn shop, and its kind of a grail gun for me so I put a payment down on it.
I was talking with the salesman, he said something about ammo being tough to find ( I think he was trying to sell an overpriced brick he had on the shelf ) and I told him I had plenty, not to worry.
He told me if I had extra that he would take ammo in trade value for the rest of the balance owed on the Winchester. The gun was, I feel, reasonably priced at $450 in 85% condition, and I owe a little over $300 still.

What do you think about the wisdom of trading .22lr ammo for the gun, if I can get more out of the ammo in trade value than I paid? It all depends, but the guy mentioned looking at gunbroker prices to decide what kind of trade value to give me. If thats the case, I might just take all but a few bricks in and start horse trading! They have a few model 10's that caught my eye as well....

I have enough that I could trade off up to 4-5k rounds without feeling it...provided that .22 makes a comeback sometime in the next few years, at something close to what it was prior to the shortage. I only paid $14/brick of 500, the way things are looking I could double, maybe triple that in trade value.

I dunno, from an investment standpoint, I see .22lr being at crazy high prices right now, but tend to think they will drop drastically within a year or so....and I doubt 9422's are going to go down in value anytime soon.

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USAF_Vet
February 4, 2014, 05:49 AM
Grail gun, wouldn't feel it dumping 4-5k rounds... yeah, I'd do that trade.

silicosys4
February 4, 2014, 05:52 AM
I wouldn't feel it....yet...
My goal was to have enough .22lr on hand that if I never saw another box for sale again, I'd still be able to shoot occasionally for the rest of my life, and survive an extended worst case scenario. Is that goal worth giving up and will I have the chance to be at that point again at something close to the same price? Decisions decisions....

I guess it comes down to how impatient I am vs. how much faith I have in the .22lr market coming back to where it was 2 years ago, price and availability wise. Which is ridiculous I suppose, being that .22lr ammo is a lot easier to manufactur than a Winchester 9422.

I'll end up with the gun one way or another, cash or trade... I just wonder if I make the trade, I'll be looking at my .22lr's in a few years once my stash is shot up, remembering the good old days of $25 bricks of ammo...when you could find them.

And whats a brick of .22lr ammo worth these days when you aren't paying by barcode? I know its still hard to find but has anything improved pricewise? last I looked people were getting $75 per brick. Dang. I know locally .22lr is the one caliber you can't get, and haven't been able to get, for months.

Sigh...I suppose this makes me a "hoarder".

USAF_Vet
February 4, 2014, 06:45 AM
I think availability of .22 will pick up. It already is in some places, albeit slowly. Providing we don't have another panic, post '14 elections, we should be fine. Price wise, I doubt we will ever see it below current barcode prices, but still a lot less than the gun shows. $75 a brick will not be the new normal, but expect $30.

$300 in ammo trade, these days, on the gun show circuit is about 3000 rounds. 4-5000 in trade to your LGS isn't a horrible deal. Its what, 8 bricks? If I were sitting on 15 bricks, I'd still trade 8 of them for a grail gun. Unless I was already sitting on the cash, like a tax refund.

His much did 8 bricks cost you initially? Less than $300 is my bet. Based on that alone, you'd be trading a $200-ish investment (based on a $25/brick cost) for $300 value. If you managed to stockpile when it was something like $15 a brick, the investment to value ratio only increases. I'd love a Winny 9422 for less than $300 invested.

Vol46
February 4, 2014, 07:43 AM
You might try putting a few bricks on an auction site like gunbroker & see what they bring. Might surprise you. I agree prices are crazy high right now. Enough people have been caught short the last couple of panics ( including me) that they will buy when ammo is available. I'll only get it when the price is reasonable, but I won't pass up .22 or 9mm even though I have more of both than I usually keep. If everyone behaves the same way, the shortage may persist for quite a while.

Reloadron
February 4, 2014, 09:08 AM
Your boolits so your call. :)

If you wanted to part with 4 or 5 K of 22 LR to cover the balance then by all means go for it. Long as you feel their offer is fair. The bottom line is if you and them come away happy with the deal.

Ron

Queen_of_Thunder
February 4, 2014, 09:47 AM
Depends on the type and brand of 22lr you have.

I've seen CCI hollow points going for $45/100 and that was a few months ago when I was seeing it but I haven't seen it since.

Personally I would let him offer up a number first and bargin from there. Remember you have somehing he wants. Something he cannot readly get. I think 4,000 rounds is way to much to offer. It really depends on the type and brand of the 22lr you have.

FROGO207
February 4, 2014, 10:03 AM
I would buy the firearm and save the ammo. It will always be more expensive to purchase in the future than what you paid for it in the past. So in one example in an above post you save $25 or so to trade and do not have that ammo to shoot anymore. What will the replacement cost actually be and the wait for it to become available in quantity again. Not worth it to me. YMMV;)

Sock Puppet
February 4, 2014, 10:09 AM
Twice in the past week I've seen 22 ammo on the shelf (2 different stores in 2 different cities) at somewhat higher prices. The same has been true for 17 HMR and 22 WMR. This leads me to believe things are coming back, if a bit slowly.

As mentioned above, I'd let him make me an offer first. If the deal seems right to you I'd give it some serious thought.

The flipside is the cash part. How difficult is it to come up with $300? If it's not that tough, and you have the gun locked-in on layaway, coming up with the cash might be the better offer.

With all that said, I've sold a little 9mm and 22 WMR at higher-than-normal prices since this all started to fund other little projects, and kind of wish I would have just waited a little more time to pull the cash together.

CoalTrain49
February 4, 2014, 10:44 AM
.22 ammo will be available again, I'm just not sure at what price. I suspect that as the shelves get full again the price will return to where it was several years ago. I suspect sometime this year. Powder and primers seem to be still in short supply but it's going the direction reloaders want to see.

The thing I worry about is weapons that can use LC magazines. Those may become an endangered species in a few years.

If I were in your shoes I would make the trade. I was looking at one in a pawn shop myself just yesterday. Pretty nice little rifle.

jlucke69
February 4, 2014, 12:02 PM
22 is going for 10 to 12 cents here locally advertised and does not last more than 3-4 hours. With that said, I would not offer up more than 4,000 rounds. You could sell them yourself and make the money needed.

jrdolall
February 4, 2014, 12:32 PM
As already mentioned just put 5 bricks on GB and pay off the gun.

I have gotten 6 bricks in the past two weeks from Cabela's for less than $30 per brick including shipping. It's Remington so not top quality but in today's market most don't care. I doubt the guy is going to give you $50 a brick and you can easily get that on GB.

bannockburn
February 4, 2014, 04:25 PM
I would do it because 1) I still have more than enough on hand to last me quite a while, and 2) the local gun shop now has Winchester and Federal .22 ammo in, at decent prices and in good quantity. They are limiting sales to one 500 brick per customer per day.

cowtownup
February 4, 2014, 04:40 PM
I wouldn't do it... You'll come up with the $300 sooner or later... Keep the 22LR AMMO...

JMO...

joed
February 4, 2014, 05:56 PM
I wouldn't let a 9422 get away. I own one and I have no idea how I ever did without it. I don't have a lot of .22 ammo but I'm going to start buying when I see it.

Awsomepossum
February 4, 2014, 06:04 PM
cut out the middle man, sell the bricks yourself.

redbullitt
February 4, 2014, 07:10 PM
Agreed on removing the middle man. If possible I'd pay cash for the rifle and recoup that by selling your bricks, unless he can offer you close to what you can get on the open market.

silicosys4
February 4, 2014, 07:50 PM
Well, it was a no go, the pawn shop wanted to make too much money off of the ammo on top of the profits off of the gun itself and I wasn't willing to let the ammo go for as little as they wanted to pay. I don't blame them but I can wait until the tax return comes back to pay cash, and so can they.

On a lighter note, the 22lr shortage does show signs of improving soon.

deputy tom
February 4, 2014, 07:54 PM
I would keep the ammo and pay off the 94/22 on the terms of the contract. tom. :cool:

Edit... posts crossed. Glad it worked the way it did. tom.

Vern Humphrey
February 4, 2014, 08:54 PM
I'd make the trade -- I used to have a 9422 until my oldest daughter confiscated it. I have a couple of cases of Winchester Wildcat left out of a stash that I paid about $100 a case for -- 5,000 rounds to a case. I'd trade about 3/4s of that for a 9422.

22-rimfire
February 4, 2014, 09:04 PM
Depends on the price they are willing to pay for the 22LR and what kind it is. Most pawn shops will want to pay 50% of current market price which means you're giving it to them for pre-panic cost. Just a thought.... I personally would use cash for the purchase.

Just read you post Silcio, I figured it would work out that way.

Vern Humphrey
February 4, 2014, 09:26 PM
There's a thought -- buy for cash, and if you need to replenish your supply of cash, sell some of your surplus ammo to friends.

Eb1
February 4, 2014, 09:45 PM
Sell 4 bricks for $50/brick, and then add a $100 bill to the mix, and take your gun home. You still have the .22 LR, and the gun. Who knows you might get lucky and sell them for $75/brick, and not have to drop anymore money. Then you save your 4 bricks, and have the gun to boot.

JohnBT
February 4, 2014, 11:47 PM
"I suppose this makes me a "hoarder"."

Not at all. Now if you were trading your guns for more ammo that you didn't really need - then you'd be a hoarder.

Keep the ammo, you can always get more money.

Malamute
February 4, 2014, 11:57 PM
I agree with the keep the ammo and get cash to pay the gun off. I haven't paid any above normal retail prices for any ammo in the past year, but don't care to dispose of any, unless a small amount to someone that just cant find any,..and for normal price.

I've seen CCI hollow points going for $45/100 and that was a few months ago when I was seeing it but I haven't seen it since.

Last CCI 22's I saw were about $8/100 a couple months ago. I bought a few bricks of bulk packs over the spring and summer, all for normal retail.

BCRider
February 5, 2014, 12:18 AM
I didn't read all the replies so perhaps someone posted this idea already.

You can't go by what you paid for it if you trade it away. Sooner or later you'll need to replace it and when you get to that point it's going to likely cost you up around $23 to $25 a brick even when the prices lower. Because they almost certainly won't lower back down to sub $20 figures any time soon. At least that's what my crystal ball tells me. :D

So if you trade it you can't look at what you paid originally but what you WILL pay to replace it if the need arises. And based on that I think I'd just find the other $300.

22-rimfire
February 5, 2014, 12:20 AM
Sell 4 bricks for $50/brick, and then add a $100 bill to the mix, and take your gun home. You still have the .22 LR, and the gun. Who knows you might get lucky and sell them for $75/brick, and not have to drop anymore money. Then you save your 4 bricks, and have the gun to boot.

I suspect you don't know what the Winchester 9422's are going for. :D

BSA1
February 5, 2014, 02:10 PM
In my area 22 MAGNUM ammunition has been available from one LGS for all of 2013. They do have a two box limit. Generally the price was $15 - $18 range for 50 rounds depending on brand. Based on ammo availability alone trading for the 9422 makes sense. Plus the fact the 22Magnum is a great round.

p.s. A two box per purchase/day isn't a handicap if stopping by the LGS is convenient such as going to/from work or shopping.

osteodoc08
February 5, 2014, 02:57 PM
You mean you havent traded yet?! Go back and get it!!! Theyre not making any more 9422s (like the did in the "ole" days)

silicosys4
February 5, 2014, 03:06 PM
Oh no fears, its locked down on layaway and will be in my grubby little paws within a few weeks...I just didn't want to trade my .22lr ammo at $20/500 trade value when I doubt I will be able to replace it at or below that price anytime soon. Its a pawn shop, they wanted to triple up on the gun, and then double up on any trades....would have been great...for them. They were selling the last brick they had for $50....I would have had to trade about 8k rounds of .22lr, at their price, and they would have turned around and sold those rounds at...$800, plus the $100 cash I put down....

They would have been selling the 9422 they had marked at $450, for $900 total.

Yea, I turned around and walked out when they said "they just couldn't go any higher than $20 per brick trade value, they had to make a profit."
Nothing wrong with that, I just wasn't that desperate, and apparently, neither were they, lol

It turned my stomach knowing that somebody let a 9422 go for the $150-$200 the pawn shop would have paid. I know that place, they pay no more than 1/3 of what they intend to mark it at.

FROGO207
February 5, 2014, 06:05 PM
I know what you mean. Somebody probably needed a necessity like heat, shelter, or food and exercised what was the best option for them at the time. Not everyone is willing or able to wait for a sale locally to maximize their investment when selling. At least it will be going home to someone who will treasure it like it needs to be.:)

FWIW lots of LGS are buying regular 30-30 WIN 94's for $125-$150 these days.:(

mbt2001
February 5, 2014, 08:20 PM
If he wants 5k 22lr and you have 7k then do the deal. People have gone wonky about .22lr for no supportable reason. Buy low sell high, I would do that deal in a New York minute.

Deltaboy
February 5, 2014, 11:23 PM
Make the Trade.

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