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KaceCoyote
March 31, 2004, 06:50 PM
Crimson trace is about to make grips for the Ruger P94(which I'm lusting after) and I'm curious on what'cha'll think about them? Thoughts on laser sights in general? I've never used one maself.

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Marshall
March 31, 2004, 06:57 PM
I like them and plan on buying a set! Ironic though, at the distances they're really made for you could probably point shoot as well.

sundance43.5
March 31, 2004, 07:00 PM
I don't know what distances you're talking about, but they are very bright and noticeable to at least 25 feet. I'm not a very good point shooter at 25 feet.

My only gripe with them is that your finger can sometime get in the way of the laser, otherwise they're great!!!

Chris

another okie
March 31, 2004, 07:04 PM
Does the 94 have removable grips? I ask because most Crimson Trace lasers replace the grips, but the glock models require factory installation and are more expensive, require a new holster, and in general are a pain. I have a set of Crimson Trace for a Taurus snubbie, and for that gun I like them a lot. I like that the laser is steady, rather than pulsing as in Laser Max, and since the snubbies tend to have lousy sights anyway it makes a good add-on.

If nothing else it's a good training tool.
It shows you your flinch really well. Believe me, I know!

KaceCoyote
March 31, 2004, 07:07 PM
Yeah the 97 is the one without the grip panels.

P95Carry
March 31, 2004, 07:28 PM
I am a ''CT fan''! I have them on two carry revo's ... a SP-101 and my M28-2.

Marshall commented reIronic though, at the distances they're really made for you could probably point shoot as well. I tend to disagree ... in as much as, firstly in low light you would not have to raise gun to a high (sighted) aim position .... and secondly, if light is real bad then an iron sight picture without Tritiums or similar will be next to nil.

Many comment how the red spot of light will give a BG something to aim at. True up to a point but - I reckon that the increased advantage thru quick aim, plus the fact that the gun will not necessarily be in front of the shooter .... means that it is a risk more than offset by the tactical advantage.

I'd add too, as I have before .. they do NOT replace iron sights in normal use of the firearm .. they an adjunct. But - use them in very subdued light and then they become primary .... the irons being all but useless.

Sure, point shooting can work .. but point shooting WITH CT's ...... and you'd have a 100% extra advantage. My 2c!

Marshall
March 31, 2004, 07:33 PM
P95

I agree with the low light situation, which is why I plan on getting a pair. I should have mentioned that.

KaceCoyote
March 31, 2004, 07:47 PM
is there any particular reason that the P series doesnt come with accessory rails?

P95Carry
March 31, 2004, 08:07 PM
any particular reason that the P series doesnt come with accessory rails? Kace - not quite sure what you mean by "accessory rails".

Anything added to slide would ''bulk up'' the gun too much I'da thought and, the polymer frame is not conducive I'd reckon to any add-on facility.

KaceCoyote
March 31, 2004, 08:11 PM
The little grooves under the barrel, ala P99?

longeyes
March 31, 2004, 08:34 PM
I have a set on my tweaked Colt Sistema. I like 'em, though they are not a substitute for your regular sights, just a valuable supplement. You never know when you might have to get off a shot without an ideal sight picture. The CTC sights are very bright and hold zero. I've tried shooting at waist and chest height at a human silhouette target at seven yards and had no problem putting a full mag into center-of-mass.

KaceCoyote
March 31, 2004, 08:38 PM
Ok so the laser roxxors, hows the actual grip bit. Comfortable, tough?

dghboy315
March 31, 2004, 08:56 PM
i really like the set i have on my beretta 92. for all the above reasons and:

1 - i use it to practice trigger control. if you can keep the dot from dancing at 7 yards while you press the trigger, then you have a smooth trigger pull. this is probably the most common way i use the laser. i sit in my room and aim at points on the wall (with the gun empty) and dry fire practice.
2 - i also use it to check muzzle control. you can practice draws and movement with the laser on and see if you are pointing where you want to be pointing.
3 - lasers are also useful to check if you have any kind of trigger jerk when you are shooting live ammo. usu. it's easier if there is a second person who watches the laser while you use the iron sights. the other person will see if anything happens right before you fire.
4 - i really like the feel of the rubber grips. not as sticky and hogue. not as slippery as plastic or wood. they're just perfect
5 - it's really cool. most people are very intrigued by it and always want to try it. most of the above point can be accomplised by other means, but you can't beat the cool factor.

a caveats though,
it takes practice to use the laser. you can't just install it and think you will always hit where the dot is, immediately. but once you are used to it, a lasers is much faster than iron sights. try using lasers during a idpa match. you will be disqualified, but usu. match directors will allow it. just see how much faster your run will be.

i've had mine for 2 years and use them fairly regularly. i've changed the batteries once.

djsjd
March 31, 2004, 10:43 PM
I had some on a Beretta 92F, but found that there was enough play in the grip panel, that by gripping a certain way, I could get the dot to drift off POI. Sold 'em shortly after that...

M2 Carbine
March 31, 2004, 10:43 PM
I put the CT on a Kimber.
Liked it so well I put it on a S&W Mod 60
Then a S&W Mod 10

I wish they were made for a Makarov.

I've tried several lasers and they were junk.
I've sighted in the CT at about 30 yards and don't have to touch it again.


As far as the laser making you a target. It will if you don't know how to use it.

You DO NOT shine it around like a flashlight.

You point the gun at your target as you have practiced. About shoulder high works good for me.
Light the laser and adjust your aim if necessary and fire.

With a little practice the time between lighting the laser and firing may be a second if you are slow.

If you don't have to fire immediately, you might have a chance to point out to the BG that a bullet will soom strike where that Red Dot is.

My primary use for the laser is at night. 5 yards or 50 yards it doesn't matter. If the Dot's on it, it's hit.

As dghboy315 says it takes practice to use the laser (just like your other shooting).

4v50 Gary
March 31, 2004, 11:19 PM
I'll fess up and admit I've got three pairs (2 for J frames and one for 1911).

KaceCoyote
March 31, 2004, 11:26 PM
Chrissakes estimated at 300 bucks a pop! Thats what I'm gonna buy this gun for!

Data
April 1, 2004, 12:29 AM
You can buy a Ruger GP-100 in stainless for what they cost. (laser max) or a nice used sp-101 for what the CTC costs.

I believe the high price makes them of limited "value". As the price breaks the $150 bucks I think they will begin to gain "mass market" appeal.

I know firearms instructers who do combat shooting with Glock 26s that they have taken and completely filed the sights off.

Seems when your rolling around on the ground or shooting upside down or from behind cover at an advancing and lethal target...sights are not much good anyway (unless u can get a sight picture in a nanosecond).

So it seems a Laser would work well in a situation like that. Of course those same instructers say they can do the same thing without sights or lasers.

However, for folks who dont practice that much I think it would make an excellent "substitue" for practice. :rolleyes:

M2 Carbine
April 1, 2004, 09:26 AM
KaceCoyote

Ok so the laser roxxors, hows the actual grip bit. Comfortable, tough?


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The 1911 CT is comfortable.

The S&W J frame is very small and a bugger with +P loads, but small is what you want in a small gun, right.

The S&W Model 10 square butt is TOO big. I think it's made for the K and N frame.
I've got it on a "house gun" or "car gun" so the size doesn't really matter.

The grips are black rubber, which I think is bad ugly, but a lot of people like black rubber grips.

There's a couple more guns I'de put the CT grips on if CT would make them.

sturmruger
April 1, 2004, 11:16 AM
They are expensive, but I am planning on getting a set for my J frame. I am having trouble getting used to the iron sights. I found some CT laser grips for $177 at the Sporsmans Guide. Seem like a good deal. Even my wife is excited about these grips coming, and she isn't usually excited about my gun related purchases.

yzguy
April 1, 2004, 03:33 PM
they are a great additon to my 1911.... :)

tiberius
April 1, 2004, 04:05 PM
Have a pair on m,y M60 .357. They are a great suppliment and worth the $ IMHO. You will not regret it.

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