[2dogs]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20030205-29442133.htm

Davis target of California recall effort
By Ralph Z. Hallow
THE WASHINGTON TIMES



The recall of Mr. Davis, a Democrat who was elected in November to a second term as governor of the nation's largest state, is being spearheaded by People's Advocacy. The nonprofit group is headed by Sacramento anti-tax activist Ted Costa, who claims credit for 12 successful state ballot initiatives.
"This is more than recalling the governor," Mr. Costa said. "It's the people of California saying we are sick and tired of being asked to pay the bills for everything he comes up with. ... We are recalling him for gross mismanagement of the state's finances," he said.
Mr. Davis' unpopularity stems from his perceived mismanagement of the state's energy needs, as well as his move to raise the sales tax and cut popular programs because of a record budget deficit that, over the next 18 months, is estimated to reach between $26 billion and $35 billion.
Mr. Davis won re-election in November with a 48 percent plurality, despite a poorly run campaign by Republican challenger Bill Simon and opposition from powerful Democratic interest groups in the state, including the teachers union.
Now many voters are angry because they feel the governor has deceived them on the budget.
"It became headline news when, a few days after getting re-elected, Davis finally admitted the deficit was bigger than he had admitted going into the election," said Shawn Steel, the California Republican party chairman, whose term expires later this month.
Mr. Steel said he then began pushing for recall, circulating the idea at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington over the last week and among party officials and lawmakers back home this week.
Recall petitions in California have succeeded against numerous officeholders, including the late Rose Bird. In 1986, angry voters ousted her as chief justice of the state Supreme Court for repeatedly voting to overturn death sentences.
He says his organization, which was co-founded by Paul Gann, "also qualified and passed a term-limits initiative and an initiative to make English the official language of California."
In an odd twist, Mr. Costa, a Republican, once worked with Mr. Davis to pass a statewide ballot initiative. Proposition 162 was passed in 1992 to stop Republican Gov. Pete Wilson from financing state spending by dipping into the Public Employees Retirement System, which had $160 billion in it at the time.
"We are a nonpartisan effort, even though the governor will say we are a partisan operation," Mr. Costa said. "But we worked with Davis to go after Wilson, we recalled Paul Harcher, a Republican assemblyman for voting to raise taxes. And if the Republicans in the General Assembly vote now for higher taxes and refuse to balance this budget, we'll be recalling them too."
Mr. Costa said that within a few hours of announcing his recall petition on a Sacramento radio station yesterday, People's Advocacy garnered more than 400 signatures, far more than needed to file a notice of recall with the secretary of state's office in Sacramento.
Under California's constitution, a petition to get the recall process started will have to gather about 12 percent of the votes cast in the election for governor, or close to 900,000. Mr. Costa has gathered more than 1 million signatures for previous ballot initiatives.
Once those signatures are certified by the secretary of state, the lieutenant governor is required to schedule a special election within 180 days of the original filing. Mr. Costa estimated a special election could take place in July or August, with no limit on the number of candidates who could be on the ballot.
The candidate emerging with a plurality of votes would be the new governor of California going into the 2004 presidential elections.
California election analysts say a candidate with as little as 2 percent of the votes could win if many candidates qualify for the ballot.
To maximize its chances of winning, each party will likely try to agree on a single well-known candidate, Mr. Costa said. He suggested the Republicans might go with Hollywood actor Arnold Schwarzenegger, while Democrats could choose their top vote-getter, Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

[Greg L]

To maximize its chances of winning, each party will likely try to agree on a single well-known candidate, Mr. Costa said. He suggested the Republicans might go with Hollywood actor Arnold Schwarzenegger, while Democrats could choose their top vote-getter, Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

Would she have to resign from the Senate to run? If so this could be a good thing (even if she won she couldn't be much worse than Davis). Or would she pull a Leiberman and run for Senate and Governor at the same time.

Greg

[riverdog]

IIRC, Feinstein will be term-limited out of the Senate in 2004, so she may jump at the chance to replace Davis -- not that I'd vote for her over Arnold.

[Greg L]

I agree that between the two Arnold (or most anyone else) would be better than Feinstein, I was just wondering about her possibly having to resign from the Senate to run for Govenor. I didn't realize that Ca had term limits and she would be out anyway. Best of all would be if she would just go away entirely, but that is probably too much to hope for.

Greg

[Russ]

Riverdog, Greg L.

There are no term limits on U.S. Senate. DI FI could retain her U.S. Senate seat as long as the idiots out there keep voting her in. Term limits in CA only apply to the State Senate and Assembly.
IMO, the chances of getting Davis recalled are slim and none and slim just left town.

Russ

[riverdog]

Sorry, wishful thinking :)

[MonkeyMan]

Sorry, but that article lost all of it's credibility when it referred to Kalifornia as "the nation's largest state". Granted, it's been a few years since my last geography class but IIRC there are at least two other states larger than Kali. And if Alaska takes umbrage to that statement it could divide in half and be the two largest states and still leave texas out in third.

[10-Ring]

Davis has faced recall issued in the past. I'm sure he's very well versed in how to avoid them & to answer to his potical oppontents. It would be nice to see him gone tho.

[Drjones]

What is a recall?

Like impeachment?

And isn't there a constitutional amendment barring Feinstein from ANY positions of power higher than a McDonalds burger flipper after the Senate?

Or did she ban that too? :rolleyes:

[Kahr carrier]

LOL!:cuss: :banghead: :neener:

[Bob]

Why?!?!?
Even if it should succeed we still have EVERY state elective office held my a socialist, um I mean democrap. The legislature has a solid majority of socialists. What is gained?
The longer I live here, the less hope I have for getting people of a conservative mind in positions of effective power.
The PRK elected these socialists to office, now we get to experience the fruits of our elections. My only real hope is that it will get bad, really bad. That is the only way I can see that MAYBE enough people will wake up and change things.
In the mean time, I keep plugging away and I keep living according to my convictions.
Bob

[Ewok]

Sorry, but that article lost all of it's credibility when it referred to Kalifornia as "the nation's largest state". Largest in terms of population, not empty land.

[dirtbos]

In my humble opinion, the primary reason that an effort like this fails is that people give up before it is started. The “slim to none” guys and the naysayers are defeated without trying. All of the people that sit on their hands on Election Day contribute also. All of those guys (and gals) that bitch and whine one minute and say; “my vote doesn’t count anyway” the next.

We have an opportunity here. If you care, sign the petition and then vote. If you really care, get some of those previously described, to get off of their dead a%% do the same.

Let’s take this Jacka%% out. :fire:

Mike Allen

[redhead]

I went to recalldavis.com and signed up for email updates, and also to receive a petition when they are available. I'm not giving up. We may fail, but it's worth a try.

[clem]

Let me get this right, you want to exchange Gray for Feinstein? Right?


So, weasel out, weasel in? Right?
And what's the difference?

[clem]

Let me get this right. You want to exchange Gray for Fienstein, right?

So, weasel out, weasel in, what's the difference?

[redhead]

well, no, we don't want to replace Grayout with Feinstein. Nothing says she will run. The candidates are yet to be determined.

[Frohickey]

Some of you naysayers do not live in the occupied territory of Kalifornia, so instead of the negative vibes, why not just not say anything?

A Feinswine as Kalifornia governor is better than a Senator, since it would just be Kalifornia gun laws instead of Federal gun laws. Also, the way I see it, Feinswine can run for Kalifornia governor in 2004, or whenever this special election resulting in the recall of Davis is held, and she does not have to resign. Her US senate term ends on 2006, and if she runs and loses, then she goes on back to being US senator. If she runs and wins, she gets to appoint the replacement. I dunno how Kalifornia treats dual elections, but that is a moot point in Feinswine's case. In BouncingCheck Boxer, on the other hand...

Also, efforts like this is what needs the help, and naysaying is no help at all. I'm going to help, since the alternative, which is keeping Joe Davis is worse.

If people do this right, we can dovetail an initiative to amend the California Constitution to add the right to keep and bear arms for self defense with this. About 600,000 signatures are required for that, and I'm helping on that one too.

When you give up, you already lost the fight. :cuss:


Also, California is the largest state in population, and consequently, Congressional representation. Texas and Alaska are not close. It used to be that New York was the largest state in population. Sometimes, the press releases are not as clearly worded to non-politicos.

Term limits are also passed by the state legislature, and only affect state offices. Even though US senate elections are held in the states, it is a federal office. So, term limits do not apply. For term limits to apply, it would have to be done via a US Constitutional amendment, ala 22nd Amendment, which term limited the office of US President.

[redhead]

Thank you, Frohickey. What you said. I too, am very weary of the negativity, and those who believe that we just sit down, shut up and take it (continuation of Davis as gov.). If we have a chance to replace him with someone who is at least competent and with a degree of integrity, which Doofus lack completely, then we should try.

[Tady45]

Who ever has the most $$$ will be the next Gov of this state. A liberal to be sure as the many of the rich dems/extreme libs live here. Hopefully, it won't be some San Francisco based nut job...


Larry :rolleyes:

[jimpeel]

Where's Ron Unz when you need him?

[Russ]

Wouldn't the Lt. Governor take over if Davis got recalled? I'm sure Cruz Bustamonte would be much better than Davis. Another socialist. Give me a break. When I lived there, we, the gun owners of the state couldn't get 750,000 signatures on a petition to put an amendment on the California Constitution that gave us the right to keep and bear arms on the ballot. Remember vetothegopvernor.org? I didn't think so.

If you think Davis is going to get recalled, I have a river to sell you. It's just outside my window. It's called the Ohio.

What would the new socialist Governor Cruz Bustamonte do with the deficit? Raise taxes? There's no way a conservative has a chance out there unless alot of idiots leave LA and the Bay area where most of the population is. Solid DemocRAT an gaining more ground every day.

I lived there for 45 years. It is now a socialist State and barring a major change in the demographics, which by the way are going ever more against conservatism, there is no prayer of getting Jerry Brown's lacky out of office until his term expires.

Frankly, if DI FI gets in, you are going to have to do alot more to get a gun than you do now. Jack Scott and Kevin Shelley will give DI FI all the legislation necessary to ban handguns in the state. She tried this before in San Francisco and from all I can tell, she has gotten more anti gun as time goes by.

She attributes her anti gun attitude to the murder of Mayor Moscone and Supervisor Milk of SF by that scum bag Dan White. She was propelled to Mayor of SF because of it and now to US Sentate. Dan White went into SF city hall and shot both Moscone and Milk with a .44 magnum because they fired him. He got 5 years in jail. He blamed the murders on the junk food he ate. They call it the Twinkie defence to this day. The morons in SF bought a defence like that. Poor Dan killed himself shortly after getting out of prison by carbon monoxide poisoning. Should have been with Cyanide in the Gas Chamber. Ah, but had they sentenced him to death, he would have had his sentence commuted like that pygmy Charles Manson.

Some say Moscone and Milk deserved what they got because they may have been gay. I don't countenance murder for any reason. I would turn in my kids if I knew they had murdered someone.

You can call me negative, but they couldn't even get Roberti and Roos recalled after they got the AW ban through. If you can get Davis recalled, it will be a wonderful miracle. However, I think you get a socialist in his place so what do you gain? I don't think they will let you put up a conservative to run against Davis in a recall. All you get to say is that you don't want him anymore. The Lt. Gov takes over.

In 20 years, you may as well give the keys to the State to the Mexican Govt. anyway. They are slowly taking back the lands that were taken from them by force. That's my 2 cents and not worth a penny more!

[redhead]

Wouldn't the Lt. Governor take over if Davis got recalled? I'm sure Cruz Bustamonte would be much better than Davis.

No. The second question in the recall election, after Shall Grayout Doofus be recalled, is Who shall be elected? It only takes a majority vote of the candidates on the ballot. We don't know who that will be yet, assuming that enough signatures will be gathered to call a recall election.

You can call me negative

Ok, you're negative. I'm gonna quote Frohickey here:

When you give up, you already lost the fight.

There are a lot of good people still here in California, whether you believe it or not, and there are a LOT of energized people. We're not ready to give up.

[ojibweindian]

Good luck, and fight like hell!

[dirtbos]

As eloquently written by the Kentucky resident, the future of the state does not look good. Especially if we do nothing!! Bustamonte is a Lraza supporter (from what I understand; though I could be wrong). But as was posted, he would not take the position. The best for all to do (all California residents that is) is to go to www.recallgraydavis.com and get the facts about this. It could be enlightening.

The primary reason that the previous attempt to amend California’s Constitution Re: The Right to Bare Arms, was that few new about the effort. The news media did not report it (if barely). As it was, they came very close (through very hard work).

I, for one, have both a www.recallgraydavis.com and a www.CAPropRKBA.org sticker (professionally made) across the rear window of my vehicle. I get positive comments and questions about them. It’s how I get the message out. I have also had T-shirts made on the same subjects. It gets the point across. Haven’t had a scumbag liberal say anything yet.

If anyone is interested and can’t get these made (most won’t, no huevos, I guess), post a request and I will see if the people that helped me are willing to let me post their names and phone numbers.

Mike

[dirtbos]

About California's anti-gun governor. Moral of the story: "If at first you don't succeed, try, try again".

Go to www.dailynews.com . Scroll down the left side to "Opinions". Scroll down the opinion page to
"How the dump a governor the right way". Although billed as a satire, it makes sence.

Mike

[Russ]

Redhead,

Can you tell me how many signatures you collected on the vetothegovernor.org petition to get an initiative on the ballot to get an equivalent to the 2nd amendment into the California Constitution? The website is down now. Did you even know about it? We got around 680,000 signatures. Needed 750,000 at least. There are millions of gun-owners in CA. You tell me why enough signatures could not be collected?

That was our best hope of turning this around and we the "energized" couldn't get enough signatures. Actions speak louder than words. I saw a few people active but the majority were oblivious just as they are now.

It amazes me how many people still don't know about the HSC, or any other of the restrictions rammed down Californian's throats in the last 4 years. We got the questions on TFL and here every week about it. People are so oblivious they are just now finding out what started happening when Gray Davis came in and got a majority DemocRAT Legislature.

With people like Jack Scott, Kevin Shelley, Sheila Kuehl and a host of others in the Legislature, you have a tough row to hoe. Likely, you will not get a Republican even if Davis were re-called. Well, maybe a RINO like Riordan who will change nothing.

Good luck to you. No one dislikes Davis more than I do. Until you can turn the apathy around in the gun-owner community, Davis will serve out his term and Cruz Bustamonte will be elected after him.

Time will bear it out. Fight for change. I did when I was there. I wore myself out like many others. I left a year ago. Not really because of the lack of freedom, but that was a factor.

There's a great site for CA news on guns. It's now called Gun News Daily. Used to be CalNRA.org. You can still get to it using that address. Try it www.calnra.org

Here is the continuation of the Constitutional battle. Help out. Until you get this changed at the Constitutional level, none of these anti gun laws signed by Davis have a prayer of being re-called.

http://www.caproprkba.org/status.html

Russ

[redhead]

I'm aware of the CAPropRKBA.org website, and have signed up. I will do what I can.

Can you tell me how many signatures you collected on the vetothegovernor.org petition to get an initiative on the ballot to get an equivalent to the 2nd amendment into the California Constitution?

None, Russ, I collected none. I was not a gunowner at that time, I didn't know that there wasn't a right to keep and bear arms in the California constitution, I wasn't politically active then, and I had health problems. Things have changed for me now. I've learned a lot, and I'm fired up. I am not ready to roll over and give up.

People ARE oblivious to the rules and regs that are getting rammed down our throats, until they run up against them. Some get mad :fire: , and many just shrug and comply, with the atittude that's it's no big deal. I got fired up when I went to buy my first gun and ran into the restrictions, which have only gotten worse. I have no idea if there are enough people to make a difference now, or not, but like I said, I'm going to try. I couldn't live with myself if I didn't. Maybe I'll run myself into the ground trying, but I'm going to try anyway. Maybe I'm just beating my head against a wall, :banghead: but it's my head.

[Russ]

Redhead,

CA needs many more like you. When I was there, and I lived there for 45 years, I took action whenever I could. The pol's there don't seem to care about the letters you write to them but at least you can say you tried. I did too.

Your attitude is the way it should be. The old saying goes if you don't vote, you have no right to complain. With the gun issue, since Davis came in, it requires more than the vote although that is your most powerful tool. Writting letters, even if ignored, talking to and hopefully persuading others and supporting NRA, GOA and whatever else that may help.

Unfortuneately after so many set-backs, I have grown pessimistic about California.

I hope you can get that bum Davis thrown out. He has been bad news for California for well over 30 years. One good thing that has come out of his bungling, is that he will never be President. That was his eventual goal.

Anyway, keep fighting. Get that Constitution changed. Here in Kentucky, it is even more clear than the federal Constituion that we have the right to keep and bear arms. Sure puts a stop to the power hungry politicians in a hurry. I hope you can get the same for CA and get someone in the Governorship that will stop the insane anti gun policies. I long for the days of Pete Wilson! The last Democrat California had as Governor was Jerry Brown. They called him "Governor Moonbeam". He was a disaster for the State as well but he didn't go after guns like Davis has.

Russ

[redhead]

Thanks for your reply, Russ. I get pretty passionate about some of these issues. I'm not a California native, I grew up in and lived most of my adult life in Idaho, so Cal is quite a cultural change for me.

I know people who are gun owners who won't lift a finger to write a stinkin' letter to state legislative committee members when they are proposing yet another reprehensible gun law. I even give them the contact information, and a sample letter I wrote. It doesn't even take a lot of time. I write my letter, leaving the salutation blank, then fill in who it goe to, and fax it to the little legislative skunk. Then I'm ready for the next one: change the salutation, fax another. I can fax from my computer, doesn't take long, and my phone bill reveals it only cost .10 in long distance charges to Sacatomatoes. Cheaper than paper, envelopes and stamps, and I can send a FAX to all of the committee members in just a few minutes. If they get enough communications, it does make a difference. Not always, but sometimes. What's with people who claim to be concerned about the direction this state is taking and rail about the restrictive laws, but can't bother themselves to FAX one stinkin' letter?!! :cuss:

You can probably imagine what I'll have to say to them when the day comes when the storm troopers come to THEIR houses along with mine and take our guns.

[Russ]

Readhead,

It was good you pointed out that you are faxing the letters. The legislator's staff have to deal with faxes and letters but they ignore e-mail. So by faxing you are getting trough.

Aren't those guns they will come for the ones that fell overboard when you had that boating accident in the Pacific?

It has to be quite a culture shock coming from Idaho which is a relatively free state. I am a CA native and it was a shock to me when I came to Kentucky. It's like a candy store here! All those guns I always wanted are available. Now it's too hard to decide which to get next depending on the money situation. I always tell my wife and kids that the next one will be my last. They tell me I already have enough guns. Anyway, they all know I lie and it's cool. I'm guessing they will thank me when they inherit them someday. My guns have faired far better than my 401(k) over the last few years.

If you succeed in getting Davis recalled, you will hear me laughing from 2000 miles away. Good luck.

Russ

[jimpeel]

Better yet, just go here:

How to dump a governor the right way (http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200~25062~1163083,00.html)

[dirtbos]

I found it under "vB Code". I'll use it next time.

Thanks, Mike