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vsse
March 31, 2004, 09:50 PM
I want two pistols, one for each hand, and I want the total cost of both guns to be at maximum $450. Must be same model. Which guns would YOU choose?

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Tamara
March 31, 2004, 10:01 PM
Need more information. What task do you want these two pistols to perform?

Lone_Gunman
March 31, 2004, 10:07 PM
Unless you are Neo, Morpheus, or Trinity, you probably only need to be shooting one gun at a time.

If you are Trinity, by the way, how about sending me an email?

TechBrute
March 31, 2004, 10:10 PM
I suspect that the pistols should have a limitless ammo supply and bad-guy seeking bullets. That would go along with the hollywood-themed two handed shooting. :evil: :D

blades67
March 31, 2004, 10:10 PM
Get out to some gun stores and check prices. Then realize that your budget will allow you a pair of cheap mouse guns. Really think about what you're asking for and then save more for a bigger budget.

TechBrute
March 31, 2004, 10:18 PM
There are plenty of S&W revolvers that could be had by the pair for under $500. Probably well used, but obtainable.

natedog
March 31, 2004, 10:23 PM
$450 will get you a used Glock, (new) Springfield Mil-Spec, Beretta, Sig-Sauer, (new) CZ, (new) Ruger....Buy one handgun, and learn to use it well.

To answer your question though- probably the only thing you could get 2 of for $450 are Makarovs or Tokarovs.

itgoesboom
March 31, 2004, 10:26 PM
Dual Pistols? Under $450 for the BOTH???

Okay, this is do-able. Two Ruger MKII or 22/45s.

Done.

Probably the only way you would be able to hit anything shooting two pistols at once too.

I.G.B.

Justin
March 31, 2004, 11:15 PM
If you want to be able to hit targets with anything even approaching accuracy shooting two pistols at the same time you will spend many times the cost of those guns purchasing cases of ammunition.

Ed McGivern has the best advice for learning to shoot two pistols at once:

Learn to shoot well with your strong hand.

Then learn to shoot with your weak hand equally well.

Then start to slowly engage targets with a pistol in each hand.

There is no shortcut, and unless you just want to turn money into noise, there's ultimately no point.

Beetle Bailey
March 31, 2004, 11:31 PM
Haven't you seen the movie Shane? ;) You are better off getting one good gun in appropriate caliber for your money.

Heck, even if limited to $450, I'd get a Bulgarian Makarov ($200), a few extra mags ($5 each), nice rubber grips (errr. . .$30 IIRC), and 2000 rounds of ammo ($200-ish). You gotta remember ammo in your budget, lots a ammo.

Mr. Mysterious
March 31, 2004, 11:42 PM
vsse, nothing personal, but a lot of your posts are questions framed like this...

What is the cheapest XXXXXXXX that has XXXXXXXXXX?

I think that bang for the buck is good...but cheap isn't the answer.

Wildalaska
March 31, 2004, 11:53 PM
Howdy doody cap guns

WildimsuchajerkAlaska

Josey
April 1, 2004, 12:10 AM
I shoot gunfighter. I could see quite a few CAS shooters using two handguns and hitting their targets. I do. The choice for my tastes would be dual Firestorm Mini-Max in 45 ACP.

TimR
April 1, 2004, 12:21 AM
Get two CZ-52's from AIM surplus. $99 bux each.

arinvolvo
April 1, 2004, 12:47 AM
2 RAP 401 9mm's for 225 a piece, or thereabouts.

tiberius
April 1, 2004, 12:57 AM
I'm not good enough to use 2 pistols at once, but if you are then you should get 2 Kel Tec P-11s. They are compact, light and have DAO triggers so are more ambidextrous than most pistols. They will run you about $450 total including sales tax if you get blue ones.

pauli
April 1, 2004, 02:52 AM
a pair of heritage rough riders, belt with holster, and second holster. that should leave enough money for, what, five thousand rounds of .22lr?

(i've got no idea if they're any good, but i was looking at the website earlier)

alternatively, take the cost of ammo for granted, and spend the remaining money on the rest of your new cowboy costume.

Gabe
April 1, 2004, 03:09 AM
Go buy 6 Makarovs. You can be like that guy in "Boondock Saints".

Tamara
April 1, 2004, 08:15 AM
I shoot gunfighter. I could see quite a few CAS shooters using two handguns and hitting their targets. I do.

Everybody I saw in that class was shooting one pistol, then the other, then the first one again...

Now Neo, on the other hand, could keep a fountain of brass pouring out of two guns simultaneously. No sissy alternating between the two guns for him, no siree. ;)

pwrtool45
April 1, 2004, 10:09 AM
Heh. Fountain of brass. Yep. Tried it with a Couple Mk IIs, a pair of Berettas (my 92F and another guy's 92FS) and a pair of .45s (645 S&W and a friend's early Kimber 1911). Certainly made a lot of noise. Some of that noise even came from the steel silhouette we were shooting at. Some.

Maybe I shoulda had cool sunglasses. :scrutiny:

Majic
April 1, 2004, 10:50 AM
You can have 2 handguns for your 2 hands. You also have 2 eyes, but unfortunatly only 1 brain so you can only aim 1 handgun at a time.

sturmruger
April 1, 2004, 10:56 AM
I am embarrassed to admit that I have tried this two handed shooting idea. My buddy and I both have a Ruger P89. We had some extra ammo and thought we would give it a try. Shooting quickly At 7 yards I can usually keep all of my shots in middle of the target. Let’s say a 6 inch group. I am sure that isn't very good compared to some of you but that is shooting pretty quickly. With two guns both with 15 round mags I was able to get 3 shot on the TARGET!!! It was a ton of fun but was completely a waste of good ammo. If you want to look like a bad/dumb ass then give it a try, if you want to actually learn to shoot better then I would recommend getting 1 gun and shoot it twice as much.


Edited: for Tech

TechBrute
April 1, 2004, 11:20 AM
If you want to look like a bad ass then give it a try Instead of the word "bad", I was thinking the word "dumb."

pauli
April 1, 2004, 11:26 AM
eh, as long as you follow the safety rules, why not have fun? probably end up learning a lot about one's own shooting habits.

wingman
April 1, 2004, 11:38 AM
easy answer is "Makarov".

walking arsenal
April 1, 2004, 11:50 AM
well as always heres my .02.

get somthing that runs cheap ammo, as youll need a lot of practice to get this to work.

two beretta neos would do it or a pair of taurus m 85 .38's would be my suggestion or somthing similar.

there isnt really a practical application for this the only thing it does is throw a lot of led, fast. its more for trick shooting. they way two guns works is that you have to learn to alternate trigger pulls and targeting.

1st learn to shoot weak side
2nd learn to shoot alternatly, speed it up after your comfortable
3rd learn to aim, i find this works by tilting the top of the guns into each other so the sights area little closer together, makes it easier for your eyes to switch back and forth or it gives you a rough point of aim in between the pistols , remember the closer they are together the tighter your spread. this doesnt work for guns with high recoil cause they WILL bang together, not good. tilting also points the ejection paths away from each other if the guns eject brass straight out to the right. i.e. two right hand ejecting guns, right gun throws brass up and to the right while left throws down and to the right(its still a little messy though).
4th forget reloading, both hands are tied up with guns, the only way to reload is to holster one reload the other holster it get the other reload it pull the other one and go back at it. very very slow. this will get you killed in real life.

just my .02, i got interested in doing the same thing a while back. it's fun expensive noise. and it's a neat trick to do once and a while.

good luck. be safe.

p.s. you have to be extra careful while practicing because you have two loaded guns to watch.

W.A.

sturmruger
April 1, 2004, 11:59 AM
Alright Walking Arsenal you realize that since you are the official two gun shooting instructor we are all expecting you to post a detailed downloadable lesson plan. It should inlcude video and pictures, and maybe even a few diagrams. :D

:D

spacemanspiff
April 1, 2004, 12:18 PM
no ones mentioned 'hi-pont'?

:evil:

Michael Zeleny
April 1, 2004, 12:51 PM
I want two pistols, one for each hand, and I want the total cost of both guns to be at maximum $450. Must be same model. Which guns would YOU choose?
I sometimes shoot dual SIG P210-6. Slick trigger action, clear sight picture, consistent ejection trajectory. All you need is a time machine to fit them into your budget.

fslflint
April 1, 2004, 01:15 PM
ok, I plan on buying two FEG PA-63s this summer. I might try the one in each hand thing once or twice but thats not why I'm buying them. I'm buying them because they are cool and inexpensive.

sm
April 1, 2004, 01:18 PM
A pair of police trade in revolvers, like the model 10. Read McGivern .

I was about 8-10 yrs old , and watching the black and white cowboy shows, I wanted to try this. I get that look and a hrruump only a Uncle can give. I tried the model 10's I tried a pair of 1911's...

Uncle - "if you will pay attention the fella is shooting one then the other one....just because something is on TV don't mean squat".

So the cowboys were "sissies" I watched on TV. :)
The advice about TV and movies is still spot on tho' it seems...I ain't a McGivern, but I do shoot one gun at a time.

So would be 1963 or 1965 I learned these lessons... TV ( movies) ain't changed except maybe for the worse on "how stuff is portrayed". :)

Tip : Do not attempt the firing of 1) both shotguns barrels at same time, 2) firing a shotgun in each hand, at same time...at that age...any age...boy did I get an "awakening" that day. I viewed TV from a whole different perspective from that age on.

Steve...with a degree from "Stupid University" and Ongoing Graduate work from the "School of Hard Knocks". :D

FWIW , the pistols were a whole bunch "funner" than the shotguns. :p

Smoke
April 1, 2004, 01:21 PM
I have a couple of pairs.

I am not a bad ass, but I don't think I fit the "dumb" category either. It's called having fun people! and It's not always unsafe, stupid, careless or infantile. Try it some time.

I can't hit the target consitantly with my weak hand shooting with two guns...but I have yet to miss the backstop.

As for the original question...your budget is very confining for 2 guns. I'd suggest used Llama's, but that would be a damn poor recommendation.

Smoke

roscoe
April 1, 2004, 01:24 PM
A real badass can hit two different targets, firing a single shot from each firearm simultaneously, like whoozit Baldwin in The Usual Suspects.

ZekeLuvs1911
April 1, 2004, 02:09 PM
I tried this two fisted shooting once.....2 Kimber .45's one in each hand. :D Blasting away at the same time........holes all over the target except in the bullseye......:confused: :uhoh: Range dude chuckling behind me as I tried to be Chow Yun Fat........:cool: Wasn't there a George Hill thread on this topic?.....:confused: Anyway, did much better when I alternated back and forth....:cool: This time I was getting bulls.:D

walking arsenal
April 1, 2004, 02:20 PM
quote:
"Alright Walking Arsenal you realize that since you are the official two gun shooting instructor we are all expecting you to post a detailed downloadable lesson plan. It should inlcude video and pictures, and maybe even a few diagrams. "

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Lone Star
April 1, 2004, 07:36 PM
Well, at least you didn't ask about "duel" pistols...those were used in pairs, with each opponent using one. Briefly.

And, I'm glad to see that you knew how to spell, "dual". Too many on the forums can't.

You might be able to pick up two used S&W M&P (Model 10) revolvers for $500, but at least one probably won't be in really nice condition.

I think the Makarov boys have a point. Oh: check out those .380's made in Argentina. They're sort of a cross between Beretta and Walther features, and get good press. Aha! Bersa!

Lone Star

cool45auto
April 1, 2004, 08:07 PM
That's what I want! Two Berettas and a shoulder holster for both, oh yeah! :cool:

Tango Sierra
April 1, 2004, 08:45 PM
Once apon a time, I was pretty good with two guns.

http://home.comcast.net/~tomswoboda/Handguns/Me-and-my-45s.jpg

goon
April 1, 2004, 08:51 PM
Makarovs, Tokarevs, or CZ-52's. Maybe Star BM's.
I would also like to have a second P-225 but not for that. I want a spare in case something happens to the one I have. ;)
Whatever floats your boat I guess... :D

Strings
April 3, 2004, 11:17 AM
heh... I tried this trick once at a friend's with my 1911 Officer's and my friend's full size. 'Bout a 12" group @ 10 yards, but fun!

admar2
April 3, 2004, 06:49 PM
twin CZ-52's would be a damn cheap pair, along with some $$ leftover for ammo.. lots of ammo...

SirVette
April 4, 2004, 08:46 AM
Fixed barrels for accuracy, 380 or 38 Special. BERSA 380s.
My double column BERSAs were much more.

7.62FullMetalJacket
April 4, 2004, 03:13 PM
All you need is the Lara Croft reloading belt with those spring-loaded magazine presenters. :rolleyes:

cidirkona
April 6, 2004, 02:24 PM
Bersas or their upgrade line, FireStorms... dependable.

Bargainguns.com has a nice search thingo on their page.

-Colin

fslflint
April 6, 2004, 03:20 PM
here yah go
a firestorm in 45
http://www.ak-47man.com/files/firestormgovt.JPG

or
a llama in 45
http://www.ak-47man.com/files/minimaxsatin.gif

but I like these
a star BM in 9mm
http://www.ak-47man.com/files/SHG_STARBM.jpg

or these
a FEG pa-63 in 9x18 mak
http://www.ak-47man.com/files/MVC_052S.JPG



those are my choices. as I noted before I'm going to be getting at least one PA-63 this summer.




note. thes images taken from ak-47man.com

cidirkona
April 6, 2004, 03:38 PM
It wasn't long ago that I was very tempted into buying two Llama .45 double stacks and making a custom small of the back holster so that they sit top to top, pointing down with the handles out each side...

Then I came to my senses about 1) wasting money 2) Llama's and 3) usefulness of two handed shooting...

Don't forget about an abixtrious safetey for that left hand!!

-Colin

jercamp45
April 6, 2004, 04:41 PM
I went throug my experimental phase too! Tried the 'other' various shooting techniques, including 2 handed with a pair of Colt 1911's. While it was challenging and interesting, and maybe one could achieve a level of proficiency with practise,,,I do not see any real value to it.
A steady stream of brass and bullet's does not make up for a couple of precise hits on a target...or on multiple targets...one for each and go back for seconds. Blasting away with both leaves you with two empty guns and no quick way to reload either one.
I often carry two, but I shoot them one at a time...reloading the primary as necessary and the 2nd is a NY reload or back up. Sometimes I even pack a pair of Colt 1911's(one a Government, ParaLDA,or new CCO backed up by a LW Officer's), most of the time it is a 1911 backed up with a Jay frame .38. But regardless of what I carry, I shoot one at a time with precision, keep the second for reserve.
And TWO for 500 bucks? Rather get one of quality! But if you got to execise yer demons and fun movie fantasies...a pair of Ruger 22/45's would fit into the budget allowing alot of cheapo ammo to be bought, and giving you the non-recoiling hollywood super japper. It also lets you know you are playing when you use the .22's, not training. And when you get tired of that you have two nice .22's to work on serious marksmanship.
That said, I'd add.....
Shooting is a fun activity, but personal combatives is a serious affair, You respond to a threat how you have been trained(or practised). Video games and hollyweird movies ARE not training. Life can be complicated enough...try not to confuse yourself too much. It is vital to be able to shoot with each hand, BUT to stack the odds in your favor...you must be accurate, fast and with a realistic level of power.
If you KNOW you are getting into a fight......it is time to withdraw, call for back up or grab a shoulder gun.
My .02
Jercamp45

azrael
April 6, 2004, 11:54 PM
I to made a dual belt holster...but for 2 kel-tec p-11's...Was fun for awhile, now I just use them as "range" guns...Yea I do practice with them, but one at a time...***

P-11's might be right in the range you are looking for...One thing that hasnt been said is...BUDGET SOME MONEY FOR 2 HOLSTERS!!!! a dual rig is gonna cost ya... Well one that is comfortable anyway

***Please note...This is not a production item...SO IT ISNT SHAMELESS SELFPROMOTION!:D :D :D


I think that the Walther P-22's would be a blast (pun intended:D) to use in this way...Cheap as well..

pauli
April 7, 2004, 12:01 AM
I think that the Walther P-22's would be a blast (pun intended) to use in this way...Cheap as well..

i've had that very idea stuck in my head all day.

0007
April 7, 2004, 09:34 AM
2 Star BM's will set you back about $300 and leave you enough for 1000rd for each... Just to throw gas on the fire I have two consec ser num BM's I bought about 12-13 years ago, paid more then that for 'em back then.

Scoob
April 8, 2004, 07:37 AM
I'd vote for twin Bersa 380s. I have one and can vouch for their quality. I paid $230 for mine. They also have light recoil, which I think you'd need if you are serious about shooting them double.

You need to exercise twice as much caution with 2 guns.

Sean Smith
April 8, 2004, 10:03 AM
I want to get dual pistols...

I think you should get 1 brain that works instead. Using 2 pistols at once is idiotic.

fslflint
April 8, 2004, 11:09 AM
sean

that was downright mean and uncalled for. humor some youthful enthusiasm. for crying out loud get a sense of humor. learn how to live a little. I hope that was sarcastic.

telcom911
April 8, 2004, 11:29 AM
I do have a matched pair of Kimber's, lots of fun to two gun 'em as fast as you can pull the trigger, and from 15yds you can easy keep 14 rnds in the "A" ring, If your gonna own 'em, ya gotta have a little fun with 'em.

Somtimes just blassting the crap out of somthing is just what the Dr. ordered.

Correia
April 8, 2004, 12:02 PM
Go back and search on TFL under Chow Yun Fat. Me and George Hill did this a bunch at a Utah TFL get together once upon a time. Loads of fun. Very ineffective, but loud and fun. :)

MR.G
April 10, 2004, 07:22 PM
I recently purchased two Kel-Tec P-3AT .380 pistols for about that price. Currently carrying one in each front pocket.

Jeff OTMG
April 14, 2004, 02:03 AM
I think that the Steyr M40 or M9 is getting pretty cheap from CDNN, but failing that I would take two heavy barrel S&W mod 10 trimmed to 3".

Pylon
April 15, 2004, 05:16 AM
ok here we go, 2 9mm pistols from HighPoint firearms.


Or as someone else has mentioned, 2 Ruger .22 22/45's will do it. I would stick to the rugers because i assume your gonna be shooting these as fast as possible simple for the fun of it, so two .22 pistols will be much more cost effecient, and fun of course :)

Greg45
April 15, 2004, 06:46 AM
Sean, You crack me up man. I love reading your replies! :D

faustulus
April 16, 2004, 03:46 AM
When you get them you need one of these to put them in :)
http://www.grahamholsters.com/Castor2.jpg

I always liked the idea myself:
.http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=941068

Sean: lighten up dude

faustulus
April 16, 2004, 03:52 AM
oops: forgot something

Pylon
April 17, 2004, 05:59 AM
hehe, ya Sean, i'm sure he isn't intending this to be a super seious post. I'm sure he isn't gonna go out and be a hero shooting two guns to prove himself being macho.


Not all post are created equal :)

LynnMassGuy
April 17, 2004, 08:11 AM
Are these pistols to go with your concealed rifle and your 12 gauge pistol?

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