[ron46012]

Early this morming on MSNBC Diane Feinstien admitted she had little chance to renew her AWB and was willing to work out a deal with the republicans to allow "orignal capacity" mags to be sold again in exchange for assult rifle ban to continue. I was very suprised to hear that, hope Kennedy doesnt screw with the offer.

[Blackcloud6]

That's a dumb compromise. Screw her, no compromises!

[ClonaKilty]

That's great news -- she's basically admitting defeat! I wonder if the Repubs would have the cojones to jump on this opportunity and squash her like the bug she is. Dems have no problems using political opportunity to their advantage but the Repubs never seem to learn this.

Case in point: as soon as Bush allowed Condi Rice to testify, Ted Kennedy was all over it, saying "Bush bowed to our demands" and that Bush "conceded." My guess is that the Repubs won't use the same verbage against Feinstein here, and just keep playing nice and hoping everyone will like them....

[only1asterisk]

This just in! Feinstein announces that guns aren't really bad!















APRIL FOOLS!

[starfuryzeta]

I'm wondering if she's really worried that the sunset will take place, and is grasping at straws to get some sort of legislation in.....OR....does she want to trick us into thinking it will never sunset, and we should take the best offer now.

If you HAVE TO compromise, would you rather have all of nothing, or have hi-caps back with the existing 'awb' intact (IE, companies will still find ways around it)?

[cracked butt]

Here's a compromise for you fienstein: go pound sand up your fat ***.

[Waitone]

The smart play would have been for her to sit down, and shut up about the AWB. But nooooo, she has to bring it back up.

My read? Her support groups and money sources want to see some anti-gun legislation before year end just to stay in the game. She, as a politician, sees gun control as a dead issue. Result? a semi-kestered proposal.

We won this round.

[Russ]

The magazine limit was the worst part of the AWB to me personally because at the time the first AWB passed I couldn't afford an AR or AK. Now no compromise. I'm out of California and Fienstein needs to be humiliated. This still doesn't help Californians due to their State laws but you never know. Things go back and forth.

Di Fi , Carolyn McCarthty, Barbara Boxer and little Chuckie Schumer need to go. I think she is admitting defeat also.

[45 Carry]

The only thing she wants is votes. She knows facts and what is right but she doesn't care what she has to do if she can get votes. She's not the only one that is so egotistical they're trouble.

[Old Fuff]

Such a great lady!!! Now she wants to play "make a deal" even though she isn't holding any cards.

But then ..... it's for the children.

[Thumper]

Now that's some serious liberal BS for you...expect the folks that already stomped your rear to agree to compromise.

Hey chickie, news flash: To the victor go the spoils.

[Silent Bob]

Why does this make me think of Saddam Hussein and his "I want to negotiate!" as he was pulled out of his hole in the ground?

To hell with her and her idiot ban!!!

[Ben Shepherd]

No time to check news sites. So if april fools, you got me. If not, I agree with CrackedButt.

[LAR-15]

Guys Mike Castle- RINO DELAWARE- had already proposed this back in early March.

This might be a joke BUT MIKE CASTLES BILL ALLOWS THE MAG BAN TO SUNSET BUT KEEPS THE GUN BAN!

That is no joke.

Go to Thomas to look it up.

Oh yeah Carolyn McCarthy endorsed it too!

[Langenator]

Senator: her's my counterproposal-

You resign, and we'll stop calling you a gun-grabbing b#@$^.

[Eskimo Jim]

Compromising with DiFi and company is exactly the same as trying to placate the lions in the coliseum. You're appeasing them while hoping that you are eaten last.

Someone else put it like that and the shoe fits!!

-Jim

[Foreign Devil]

Oh this totalitarian meanace will graciously allow us some freedom now that her cause is sunk.

This reveals how stupid and uninformed she is. The magazine ban was the only thing that had any real effect on your ability to use the weapon. All the evil features are just decoration.

California people, tell her where to go when you go to the polls.

[PATH]

No retreat! No surrender! AWB must sunset. There can be no compromising our rights!

[Jeff Thomas]

Old Fuff has it right on. There is never a need to compromise with someone who is dealing from a position of weakness ... especially a disgusting human being like Feinstein. She never, ever would have cut any of us ... or the Bill of Rights ... any slack. She deserves zero now.

Any Republican that would consider compromising in such a situation is a fool at best.

Regards from TX

[LAR-15]

This reveals how stupid and uninformed she is. The magazine ban was the only thing that had any real effect on your ability to use the weapon. All the evil features are just decoration.


That is why I was shocked Carolyn McCarthy endorsed RINO Mike Castle's bill that allows the magazine ban to sunset.

Apparently Feinstein has come around or this is a joke.

[ctdonath]

If you HAVE TO compromise, would you rather have all of nothing, or have hi-caps back with the existing 'awb' intact ... ?

The question is premised on "HAVE TO". We don't.

Their side:
- Feinstein admitted the AWB is a lost cause
- The Senate has already blown 5 precious days this session on the subject to no avail
- See that banning cosmetics are not worth the political capital, both in buying the votes and in losing Congressional seats

Our side:
- Motivated to end the ban, even for cosmetics
- Are willing to spend considerable more time/effort
- Have long held that legalizing the cosmetics ARE worth the political capital and have no fear of losing Congressional seats

It's the "oh, we need to compromise" attitude that got us into much of the mess in the first place. A recent thread noted that if not for the sunset provision - a compromise - the AWB would likely not have been passed in the first place.

Would I rather have hi-caps and no cosmetics than nothing at all? of course. But I want cheap hi-caps AND flash-suppressors AND ..., so why snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

[BowStreetRunner]

since the mag ban has not been a big bone of contention in the Congressional debate this year (to my knowledge) and not a big deal in the media.....I believe and hope that all the pro-2A Senators will stand up and say no again
:)
BSR

[Shooter 2.5]

This is a wonderful opportunity to explain politics to the GOA members who are so ignorant of the way our government works.

For over forty years, the NRA has had to compromise because we didn't have the votes to stop gun control. Too many gun owners were voting the way their unions told them and they were voting for the anti-gun dem party.

Now the pro-gun Republican party has the Congress and we still need a few more votes in the Senate. That's close enough so we don't have to compromise any more.

The anti-gun party has to compromise.

Guess what? That means we don't have to anymore.

A few more Republican votes in the Senate and we can start getting rid of that disease called gun control.

[Zundfolge]

Now that's some serious liberal BS for you...expect the folks that already stomped your rear to agree to compromise.
Why not ... its worked time and time again. Republicans just don't know how to act like the winners. Many still by the myth that they can get liberals and Dems to like them.


Well the only way to get Libs and Dems to like you is to become a Lib and/or a Dem (just ask McCain)

[obiwan1]

Sounds like we've got 'em on the run. Let's pile on. Drive a stake through its heart. .... and any other cliche' that is appropriate!:D

[clubsoda22]

HAHAHA Everyone laugh and point at diane!

Why would we comprimise if we're going to win anyway?

[Ben Shepherd]

Ragardless of subject......you either are or you aren't period, compromise is weakness.

Anyone remember the story of the indian boy and the snake?

You knew what I was when you picked me up.

[Harold Mayo]

Never compromise on these issues. Compromise is a victory for the antis.

So we have "original" capacity magazines but another ten years of no "assault rifles" gets us more and more used to it and ages us (and those who cannot now vote) a little more. Assault rifles stay away and all they have to worry about is banning the magazines at that point.

Conservatives need to enact legislation to LOOSEN restrictions on firearms, NOT merely stand placidly and try to maintain the status quo. A compromise does nothing but move the status quo farther to the left.

[Kinsman]

No Quarter.

[Tex Ram]

I wan't my shortie AR with a big ol flash hider. PERIOD! I have waited 10 years.

Tex

[Silent Bob]

Well? Did anyone else see this, or is this just a dumb joke?

[ZekeLuvs1911]

No! No! No! No compromises!!! Go for the jugular! End the AWB totally. She has just shown weakness and in war, you exploit it to the fullness of your capabilities. History is full of no-names who had a chance at greatness but because they were faint-hearted and lacked resolve, let a golden opportunity slip away. Say no to Feinstein and watch them give each other a thumbs up when the AWB dies a noisy and bloody death!

[Norton]

Guys...there is no reason to have to compromise at this point. Just like in MD, they have realized that they don't have the mojo to pull it off so they are pulling back to there secondary positions.

We have the momentum and have to drive all the way home with it.

[KRAUTGUNNER]

I'd like to propose a REALLY fine compromise: Mrs. Feinstein lets the AWB die in exchange for her ousting from office by the voters. :evil:

[Sleeping Dog]

I think she's stated that if she had the votes she'd ban all guns. Well, except for police, military, and female senators from California.

If she had the votes, I doubt if she'd be open to compromise.

AWB might as well sunset. I don't think a bayonet lug or pistol grip makes much difference in crime statistics.

I wonder if any other limiting laws can be rolled back, including the NFA. :)

( Anyway, I won't put hi-cap magazines in my 1911)

Regards.

[fmjcafe]

Early this morming on MSNBC Diane Feinstien admitted she had little chance to renew her AWB and was willing to work out a deal with the republicans to allow "orignal capacity" mags to be sold again in exchange for assult rifle ban to continue.

The heck with that! I say we hold out for bayonet lugs....
:D

[HankB]

Diane Feinstien admitted she had little chance to renew her AWB So if we're going to WIN, why in the world would we COMPROMISE? :confused:

What's in it FOR US?

A compromise now would be snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!!

[Hutch]

Yeah, lady, I gotcher compromise...RIGHT HERE!!! Just remember her line: "If I could get 51 votes...."

[Justin]

Compromise?
Compromise?!

Wasn't the original AWB a compromise? Didn't DiFi and her cronies want to start off with a total ban on any self-loading rifle?

The compromise was just the scary ones.

Now she can compromise with us. Kill the ban, and maybe we'll stay away from the '89 ban for a little longer.

People, it's time to call your Senators again. Today.

[tiberius]

*** does she care? She's from CA. They already outlaw these things. The federal law does not affect her constituents.

Back off lady :cuss:

[mp40]

No compromise..Period. None. Never.

[fjolnirsson]

I got a compromise for ya, Feinstein...
How about you shut up, the AWB sunsets, and we pass legislation requiring every American household to own at least one EEEVILL "assault weapon"!
It's for the children......

[Mr. Kook]

Here's my compromise.

In exchange for the abolition of the 1989 Bush ban, the 1968 ban on new automatic rifles, and the 1934 NFA we'll enact legislation requiring all firearms manufacturers to prove their weapons don't go off when dropped. The test would cost 100 dollars per model of firearm and consist of dropping the firearm in every state of readiness from a height of 25 feet onto concrete, and then firing the gun to verify functionality.

Ms. Feinstein, this piece of legislation would effectively eliminate all accidental firearms deaths due to users dropping the weapon, causing an accidental discharge. It would also ensure that homeowners had a safe product they could rely on not to just go off by itself!

[Drjones]

I don't compromise with communists.

Kick her butt all the way.

[RobW]

If our best "friends" (they are, because of their radicalism) like Boxer, Feinstein, Schumer, and "the swimmer" Kennedy will be defeated at the next election, you'll see a LOT of Democrats "supporting" the 2nd amendment.

They don't care about crime prevention, or protecting "oooour chiiiiiildren", they are only interested in votes to keep them in their nice, cozy, and self-settled earning elitist functions.

And, by the way, there are a LOT of Democrats in the Republican party (if you can't defeat them, join them).

[twoblink]

I wonder if the Repubs would have the cojones to jump on this opportunity and squash her like the bug she is

I'll donate the slipper!!!:neener:

As a past resident of the PRK, I have written SOOOO many letters to her, and Boxer it's not funny. She probably hates my guts on a personal basis (That's a good thing right??)

She should move to some place like like Somalia for a while. See how peacefully people are slaughtered when they aren't armed??

[Standing Wolf]

Compromising with leftist extremist anti-Second Amendment bigots is like being slightly pregnant or having a mild, temporary case of A.I.D.S.

[Frohickey]

Nope. No compromise.

Why should we compromise? The end of the assault weapon ban and high cap magazine ban is a victory for us. If we compromise, thats just snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I think that we need to push on and hand them another defeat. Like, allowing new class 3/NFA weapons to be put into circulation for private citizens again.

When your enemy is down on the ground squirming and asking for terms of surrender instead of asking for their mommy, the thing to do is kick them more until they give up unconditionally.

[SodiumBenzoate]

I agree, the mag ban was the worst part - BUT IT IS ALSO THE ONLY PART THAT IS ANYWHERE RESEMBLING LOGICAL.

Not saying that the ban on those is good, just that that is the only part of the ban that might have an effect on the effectiveness of a firearm.

[Frohickey]

I know that Senators give priority to correspondence from their constituents first, but I had to write to Senator Larry Craig. I'm planning on sending a similar note to Senator Bill Frist. Here is what I wrote to Senator Craig.

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Dear Senator Craig,

Let me commend you on your correct stance on the 2nd Amendment and the RKBA. Your efforts on the senate floor during the debate for SB1805 was very much appreciated by myself and my peers over at http://www.thehighroad.org. We had a realtime webforum play-by-play of the debate, and watched in horror as Democrat after Democrat piled on poison-pill amendments to SB1805.

I am writing to you because I am not properly represented in the Senate by Feinstein and Boxer. And now, I hear that Senator Feinstein on MSNBC, is looking for a compromise to have the AWB continue in exchange for allowing the standard capacity (greater than 10 round) magazine ban to sunset. I SAY NO! We, RKBA proponents, have a victory in the upcoming sunset of the AWB/SCMB, and WE SHOULD NOT snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Please do not entertain any 'compromises' from Senator Feinstein or her ilk regarding the people's right to keep and bear arms.

Thank you for your efforts,

[GigaBuist]

Here's my "compromise".

If she'll quit with the non-sensical psuedo Assault Weapons Ban nonsense and all firearms restriction legislation I'll quit telling every soul within earshot that solicits me for political opinion that she should be kicked out of office and tried for treason for advocating a clear violation of my natural rights protected by the 2nd ammendment.

[artherd]

In exchange for the abolition of the 1989 Bush ban, the 1968 ban on new automatic rifles, and the 1934 NFA we'll enact legislation requiring all firearms manufacturers to prove their weapons don't go off when dropped. The test would cost 100 dollars per model of firearm and consist of dropping the firearm in every state of readiness from a height of 25 feet onto concrete, and then firing the gun to verify functionality.

Now THIS is a compromise I can live with! :)

Except the test must be FREE to firearm makers, and the Feds must pay for the guns used. Nothing less is acceptable.

Also add Destructive Devices to the list of things specifically allowed in my hands withought restriction.

Also add federal supremecy to the bill, which would make federal firearm laws trump and nullufy ALL state and local laws which feature furthur restriction.




Product testing is a good thing, but it must not be abused as in the CA handgun drop-test case. (result- lots of good but low-volume handguns are just not tested because of the cost/trouble).

[Frohickey]

Here's the compromise that I would accept...

Banning the civilian possession of all guns EXCEPT for the ones used/being used by the military.
:neener:

[w4rma]

Very good.

[jfh]

but somebody must have access, or has a link--please dig out one of her smarmy comments after the 1994 AWB was enacted and post it here:

Then, we take that quote and turn it around on her, and start an e-mail campaign with ONLY that quote in it...

Who's got it handy?

[Unlucky]

My compromise would be to have every gun owner in america give up ONE gun if she, chuck, barbara boxer, lautenberg and teddy resign.

I predict large sales increases for Jennings, Raven and Hi-Point.

[Skunkabilly]

COmpromise, sure.

How about we legalize everything except for 15-rd M1 Garand clips?

[sharpie613]

Feinstien...

May the sand fleas of a thousand camels permanently infest her underwear drawer.

May a diseased yak defecate upon her pillow....while she lay upon it.

May she please be allowed to finally go work at the car wash Gray Davis is now an assistant manager at...

May she have to actually spend a night in Downtown Berkeley, DT San Francisco or Los Angeles...unarmed.

May she go for a ride with Ted Kennedy.:evil:

May she see the light before her and her evil desires cause more harm.

[The_Antibubba]

I think she's trying to lull the RKBA crowd into overreaching. Meanwhile, she's plotting to have Teddy or Chuck "picked off" with an EBR, or worse, a pump-action shotgun. A sacrificial lamb for the cause.

This woman isn't conceding ANYTHING! She's up to something. Now is not the time for celebration.

[RealGun]

The Feds don't have any rightful jurisdiction or any vaild excuse to ban guns, ignoring the 2A. The precedent of the commerce BS in the 1934 Act is bogus and should not be treated as a valid basis for further legislation. Any other strategy is a workaround, but don't miss that it's all BS and that the 2A is being violated, ie, ignored. It's all abuse of discretion and should be prosecuted as such before the US Supreme Court, if you can get a case that far.

[Bainx]

You guys ever heard of the terms "Rope a Dope" or "Sucker Punch"?

BEWARE!!!

Don't drop your guard
Don't let up for a minute
Don't assume anything
Don't compromise

[Harry Tuttle]

http://www.stentorian.com/2ndamend/feinstn.jpg

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."

-U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," February 5, 1995, speaking about her authorship of the 1994 "assault weapons" ban


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"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe."

-U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein, quoted by the Associated Press, November 18, 1993


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[Mr. Kook]

Quote:
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In exchange for the abolition of the 1989 Bush ban, the 1968 ban on new automatic rifles, and the 1934 NFA we'll enact legislation requiring all firearms manufacturers to prove their weapons don't go off when dropped. The test would cost 100 dollars per model of firearm and consist of dropping the firearm in every state of readiness from a height of 25 feet onto concrete, and then firing the gun to verify functionality.
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Now THIS is a compromise I can live with!

Except the test must be FREE to firearm makers, and the Feds must pay for the guns used. Nothing less is acceptable.

Also add Destructive Devices to the list of things specifically allowed in my hands withought restriction.

Also add federal supremecy to the bill, which would make federal firearm laws trump and nullufy ALL state and local laws which feature furthur restriction.

Product testing is a good thing, but it must not be abused as in the CA handgun drop-test case. (result- lots of good but low-volume handguns are just not tested because of the cost/trouble).
______________________________________________________

I agree with you about the testing should be free, but that unfortunately would constitute an unfunded government mandate. Keeping it at a nice and low $100 fixed rate and having the manufacturer provide the firearm (the can get it back, polish it up and sell it for a reduced price) eliminates the unfunded mandate argument and guarantees the guns will be tested for safety.

That in my opinion is the only thing the guns should be tested for before being approved for sale to the public. Guns should never go bang unless the trigger is pulled.

[Foreign Devil]

Compromise THIS!

[insert offensive image here]

[M1911Owner]

The precedent of the commerce BS in the 1934 Act...I thought that the 1934 NFA was based on the power to levy taxes, not on the Commerce Clause, and that the Commerce Clause only came into play in later legislation. Anybody?

[RealGun]

It's a tax and provides penalties for transporting without having paid the tax. The Feds had to defend how it was they had jurisdiction. They argued that such weapons might be moved between scattered federal properties around the country or within one state. Having jurisdiction for interstate commerce, they then in effect claimed any movement outside a person's home. On that basis alone, one could say that there is no such thing as State's rights, if there happened to be a federal property, including a post office, within that State. That precedent has been abused ever since. and makes the federal government the giant monolith feared by the Founding Fathers.

[Sam Adams]

No compromise, not now, not ever!

Would she compromise if we were on the ropes? I think not - ney, I KNOW not. I remember the "...Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them in" comment very well - it still makes my hair stand on end.

Never wound an enemy - kill him, or he'll lick his wounds and wait for you to turn your back on him, at which point he'll kill you. Gun control as an idea must die, not merely be wounded. Let Feinstein, Schumer, Brady, Kennedy and the rest learn to live with that hollow feeling in the pit of their stomachs, just as we had to do when they were beginning the process of banning guns in the '90's (or so they thought). Let the practical politicians in both parties understand that any suggestion of limiting our freedoms by limiting the weapons we possess will be punished at the ballot box and later reversed, no matter how long it takes.

"The right to buy weapons is the right to be free" - A.E. van Vogt, THE WEAPON SHOPS OF ISHER

I won't compromise on my right to be free - Feinstein can shove her compromise.

[carp killer]

Gun owners have been compromising since 1934. My answer is NO.

[N3rday]

That seems like a weird compromise to me...

which is more deadly, a drum magazine or a folding stock? A 30 round mag or a flash suppressor?

Cmon, I would rather have hi-caps than a flash suppressor on my AR any day...

[MeekandMild]

I wonder if the b*tch realizes that the AWB was the biggest incentive imaginable for popularizing AWs among the general population. Without the ban I doubt that they would have sold half the AWs as with it...:rolleyes:

[Moparmike]

You people do realize that this entire thread was a joke, right?:scrutiny: :scrutiny: :scrutiny:





Someone show me proof that it wasnt. I cant find it.

[4v50 Gary]

No compromise with that Wicked Witch of the West (Wasted) Coast.

Can we borrow a few hundred million of you pro-gunners when she's up for re-election?

[HBK]

No compromise. None whatsoever. We should use the momentum to finish the anti-gun movement once and for all.

[thefitzvh]

Guys.,... look at the posting date and time of the original post....


that's a lot of suckers cruising this forum ;-)


James

[Eskimo Jim]

Why compromise the 2nd Amendment?

I don't compromise any of my other constitutionally recognized rights.
Start with the AWB and start working to remove the previous gun control legislation all the way back to the NFA of 1934 law as well.

-Jim

[Langenator]

I was already suckered once by this thread, but I found this quote, and it seemed to fit here best.

"A compromise which results in a half-step toward evil is all wrong." --Theodore Roosevelt

[BTR]

Okay, so is this thread an april fools day joke or not? I do remember something similar to this mentioned recently.