Ruger! Please bring back the old smooth grips.


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TestPilot
February 15, 2014, 01:57 PM
I just cannot stand the Hogue grips on the GP100.

For 3 inch barrel models, the size is an overkill, and the finger groove position is ridiculous.

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ricebasher302
February 15, 2014, 02:34 PM
Agree 100 percent. The Hogues are ugly too.

funklord12
February 15, 2014, 03:20 PM
Ruger switched to the Houge grips because the manufacturer of the old style closed down.

Altamont makes a grip that is similar to the old style.

http://www.altamontco.com/experimental/products/pistol/ruger/#Ruger_gp100.php

Blueduck
February 15, 2014, 05:28 PM
Little Chicken and Egg there, I'm thinking they closed down because they could not match the price Hogue quoted Ruger.

Grips are personal of course but I consider original Ruger compact grips for 3" GP100's and the full size for 4"+ guns to be some of the best ever made for my hands.

Hogue's feel horrible to me, like I grabbed a handful of playdough and it squished between my fingers.

savit260
February 15, 2014, 06:49 PM
Altamont would make a lot of people happy if they came out with the compact old version of the GP100 grips.

Thankfully they have the standard size GP and SP old style grips available.

boricua9mm
February 15, 2014, 07:05 PM
I think Ruger is just plain out of touch when it comes to some of the combinations found on their guns.

The rubber compact grips are now highly sought after and fetch a pretty penny when they pop up. Hard to imagine paying $60+ for a set of rubber grips, but that's exactly what's happened with the compacts.

http://www.ricanhavocproductions.com/oldsite/images/chigs-grips-1.jpg

357 Terms
February 15, 2014, 08:53 PM
I took those off my 3in GP the first chance I had!!

I have the Altamonts on it now, good, but not compact enough for me.

I am looking at grips from Eagle (secret service grips) and the Badger boot grips, having trouble deciding between the two...... any input would help!!:confused:

asia331
February 15, 2014, 10:42 PM
I "deep-sided"those crappy Houges immediately after opening the box replacing them with a used set of The previous standard, Lett's.

gunnutery
February 16, 2014, 06:56 AM
Hogue's feel horrible to me, like I grabbed a handful of playdough and it squished between my fingers.

Exactly, I'm glad I'm not the only one that doesn't like them. You guys made me feel more normal today.

I'm fortunate enough to have bought a GP100 and SP101 before the switch. What I'd really like to see for the GP is grips like the old S&W 29s had, I found those very comfortable to use, but I do really like the old rubber w/ inserts too.

RealGun
February 16, 2014, 07:48 AM
What if many didn't like the old grips? If we're going to change them to suit anyway, what difference does it make? Just about every custom grip design does a better job (than the old grips) of protecting the middle finger from the kicking trigger guard, without really lowering the overall grip.

Shouldn't a short barreled GP100, logically best suited for concealed carry, really have a grip that doesn't catch clothing like rubber does? Maybe they should make some exception for the short barrels and have a nice looking, compact wooden design with a logo.

Ironically, it is the short barreled models, to which one better hold on tight and maybe get some help from a special grip, even with finger grooves and long enough for complete engagement of all the fingers, that most need a soft grip and full length, kinda like what they supply now

TestPilot
February 16, 2014, 11:46 AM
What if many didn't like the old grips? If we're going to change them to suit anyway, what difference does it make? Just about every custom grip design does a better job (than the old grips) of protecting the middle finger from the kicking trigger guard, without really lowering the overall grip.

Shouldn't a short barreled GP100, logically best suited for concealed carry, really have a grip that doesn't catch clothing like rubber does? Maybe they should make some exception for the short barrels and have a nice looking, compact wooden design with a logo.

Ironically, it is the short barreled models, to which one better hold on tight and maybe get some help from a special grip, even with finger grooves and long enough for complete engagement of all the fingers, that most need a soft grip and full length, kinda like what they supply now
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How many is "many"? Majority?

It is evident that more people have a distaste for Hogue.

Some people do not like wooden grips.

People only need enough grip length for fingers to hold on. Anyting extending below does not help. It is only a hindrance.

Even if I like the idea of finger grooves, which I absolutely do not, they way Hogue made it makes me wonder "What the hell was Hogue thinking? Did this crap really came from a company that makes grip for a living?"

The groove orientation is made in a way that matches a complete ignorant novice gripping revolver grips low, just like how they grip a self-loader with a huge gap between the web of the hand and the grip tang.

Hougue finger grooves does noting to help me. NONE of the finger grooves matches any of my figers. This is not just about it not fitting me. If a correct high grip is attained, I don't see how that silly groove orientation would fit majority of people since the grooves are not even orientated in that manner.

And, I cannot care less about getting some logo. Plain the better for me. When it comes to guns, looks is a low priority. But, I have decided not to buy many other consumer products thinking,"I would have bought it, if not for that stupid looking logo."

TestPilot
February 16, 2014, 12:12 PM
Hogue's feel horrible to me, like I grabbed a handful of playdough and it squished between my fingers.

To me it feels like a "Big Foot" grabbed a playdough with a novice like low grip on a revolver.

savit260
February 16, 2014, 12:16 PM
What if many didn't like the old grips?

Seldom have I heard or read a complaint about the old style Ruger GP and SP grips.

Most everything I've seen or heard regarding those grips were positive. My own experience with them has also been positive.


Hogue on the other hand, fitted to either S&W or Ruger as factory grips, seem to get a lot of complaints.

I despised the Hogues that came on a 617 that I previously owned.

S&W has thankfully ditched the finger grove Hogues on most of their current lineup. Hopefully Ruger will do the same soon.

The people at Ruger really should be embarrassed IMO.

beag_nut
February 16, 2014, 12:56 PM
Well, I for one love the Hogue grip. Maybe because my hands are quite larger than normal. (Differently shaped, also) The only thing I disliked about the Hogue soft one was that my fingers didn't "land" where Hogue thought they should. So, I got the identical Hogue grip, in hard nylon instead, and then shaped it to fit my hand. The GP is so heavy (6" barrel) that I don't need the soft rubber to absorb recoil.
Count me as a happy Hogue customer, several times over.

goon
February 16, 2014, 02:45 PM
I also found the Hogues to be too big on the GP-100. It's a shame because they work great on the SP-101, but on the GP-100 they were too big even for me except when firing single action.

RealGun
February 16, 2014, 03:43 PM
Lots of opinions being passed off as facts or real statistics here (factoids).

L-Frame
February 16, 2014, 04:05 PM
I have 2 Gp-100's, both 3 inchers, and have had numerous 4"er's in the past. I am in complete agreement with those preferring the original grips to the current Hogues. The Hogues are tolerable on the 4" or longer barreled guns but they are one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen on a 3" that actually makes a really nice carry revolver with the original compacts. They are impossible (or close to it) to conceal due to their length and overall size, unless you are wearing a large jacket. Plus, aesthetically, they make a very elegant looking gun look very WRONG with the huge Hogues. Just my opinion of course.

goon
February 16, 2014, 05:27 PM
Lots of opinions being passed off as facts or real statistics here (factoids).

When talking about handgun grips, how is it going to be anything other than opinion? The grip that fits me like a glove may feel like a 2x4 to you. No getting around that.

Hondo 60
February 16, 2014, 06:53 PM
The reasons I bought mine were:
the grips, barrel length, & fixed sights.

I like Altamont's Snakeskin Combo.
I may have to upgrade :scrutiny:

http://www.jbabcock.net/guns/gp100.jpg

7mmb
February 16, 2014, 07:45 PM
I like the Lett style grip better too. I think the Hogues are too big for even the four and six inch guns, let alone the threes. I have two of the full size grips as spares. When I get around to getting an SRH one of them will go on it with Altamont inserts.

792mauser
February 17, 2014, 04:02 AM
Another vote for ditching the oddly shaped Hogues grips for the old standard.

RealGun
February 17, 2014, 07:49 AM
I have 2 Gp-100's, both 3 inchers, and have had numerous 4"er's in the past. I am in complete agreement with those preferring the original grips to the current Hogues. The Hogues are tolerable on the 4" or longer barreled guns but they are one of the dumbest ideas I've ever seen on a 3" that actually makes a really nice carry revolver with the original compacts. They are impossible (or close to it) to conceal due to their length and overall size, unless you are wearing a large jacket. Plus, aesthetically, they make a very elegant looking gun look very WRONG with the huge Hogues. Just my opinion of course.

Very logical. I think the story is different when we get away from gun porn and have to actually fire the thing with full up ammo.

rbernie
February 17, 2014, 08:14 AM
Ruger switched to the Houge grips because the manufacturer of the old style closed down.I've read this several times recently, and this makes me puzzled - how could Ruger have put out the 3" GP100 Wiley Clapp variant with the old style grips if their molds were unusable? Sorry, but I'm in the 'Hogues are probably pennies per gun cheaper for Ruger to use and that's why they use them' camp.

I don't like the Hogues much - they're too long in the hand, the bottom finger groove bump is too pronounced (and can't be removed without breaking thru the moldiong), and they need some meat over the backstrip. They cater to folk with small-ish hands, and that's not me. I wish that Pachmyer made their K/L Frame style Compact grips for the GP100.

tomrkba
February 17, 2014, 08:28 AM
The Hogues do not carry well and are too long. The bottom portion chafes!

savit260
February 17, 2014, 09:46 AM
Lots of opinions being passed off as facts or real statistics here (factoids).
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I think it's a reasonable statement of fact that heavily sculpted finger grooves are more limited as to who they will work well for vs. a non finger grove grip where the shooters fingers aren't restricted to one place.

boricua9mm
February 17, 2014, 11:11 AM
I've read this several times recently, and this makes me puzzled - how could Ruger have put out the 3" GP100 Wiley Clapp variant with the old style grips if their molds were unusable?

The grips that come on the Wiley Clapp are made by Altamont to the same size as the older grips found on 4" and longer GP100s, and in my opinion they are too long for a 3" gun. They are nice grips, but they are out of place on a 3" gun. The proportions are way off, and that's a long grip to hide under a shirt. The compact sized rubber grips, which were previously found on the 3" GP100s, are much better suited to the Wiley Clapp. It's just really odd to make a gun that is a great interpretation of a modern CCW revolver, then slap a long, full-sized grip on it.

The aftermarket is sorely lacking for GP100 grips that are better suited to CCW. I bought a set of wooden grips from a Thai seller on eBay, then I cut off a half inch from the bottom in order to make more CCW friendly grips. It took me a while, and a good bit of cash, to even find a set of the older style compact grips for sale. It would be nice if someone (Altamont?) stepped up to fill this niche.

DIY solution:

http://ricanhavocproductions.com/oldsite/images/gp100-wiley-clapp1.jpg

Snubshooter
February 17, 2014, 01:49 PM
I too prefer the old style compact grips. Luckily my 3" GP came with them and they fit better than any of the other types that I have tried. I watched a set on EBay go for $80 this weekend. Ruger would do good to go with the old style grips.

rbernie
February 17, 2014, 02:00 PM
The grips that come on the Wiley Clapp are made by Altamont to the same size as the older grips found on 4" and longer GP100sAh - very good. Thanks!

ccjcc81
February 17, 2014, 04:51 PM
I, too, much prefer the old style grips. i just bought a Wiley Clapp 3" this weekend. I love the grips that come on the WC, but would rather have a set of the compacts. I do wish Altamont would make some. I hate to say it, but I would pay much more than they are worth to have some. I just sent Altamont an email both to express my interest in a compact grip, and to plead with them to produce one.

savit260
February 17, 2014, 06:04 PM
http://ricanhavocproductions.com/oldsite/images/gp100-wiley-clapp1.jpg

That may well be one of the nicest looking GP100's I've ever seen!!

Always have been surprised that there isn't more aftermarket grip options for these.

By far and away , those are the best looking grips I've ever seen on a grip stud style Ruger.

RealGun
February 18, 2014, 08:44 AM
I think it's a reasonable statement of fact that heavily sculpted finger grooves are more limited as to who they will work well for vs. a non finger groove grip where the shooters fingers aren't restricted to one place.

Others can have a different preference and perspective, but the number one consideration for me is whether a grip offers protection from the trigger guard, which older standard grips and copies do not. Cited preferences should always specify the context of what type of ammo is being shot. If shying away from full up magnum rounds, I think my point is well supported. Hurray for those who don't find heavy ammo in a trimmed down gun to be problem.

CraigC
February 18, 2014, 10:44 AM
While I abhor rubber grips, the old style grips are vastly more comfortable for me than Hogue's. I've had several sets of them and before I knew any better, I liked them. They were at least more comfortable than S&W's old chunky checkered target stocks, although on anything heavier than a .38Spl, the goofy palm swell irritates my hand. Then I found what actually works and works all the time for any chambering. Despite the dismissal by 'some' as strictly gun porn for looking and not shooting, these are more comfortable than any other DA grip I've ever tried. Fit is far more important than material. The old Ruger GP/Super Redhawk grip comes the closest to the Roper for shooting comfort.

http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsiii/large/IMG_0925b.jpg


Cited preferences should always specify the context of what type of ammo is being shot.
Do 425's at 1200fps count???
http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsii/large/Ruger%20SRH%20480%20-%20002.JPG


Little Chicken and Egg there, I'm thinking they closed down because they could not match the price Hogue quoted Ruger.
I've read this several times recently, and this makes me puzzled - how could Ruger have put out the 3" GP100 Wiley Clapp variant with the old style grips if their molds were unusable? Sorry, but I'm in the 'Hogues are probably pennies per gun cheaper for Ruger to use and that's why they use them' camp.
Then you guys obviously don't know the history between Lett's and Ruger. Bill Lett was a personal friend of Bill Ruger. Lett's supplied ALL grips (among other things) for Ruger handguns from the early days. Ruger switched to Hogue because Lett's closed, not the other way around.

ccjcc81
February 18, 2014, 12:37 PM
Those grips look fantastic. I'm inspired to try that myself, but I don't know what to do about the emblem and mounting hardware. I've stripped, sanded, and re-stained rifle stocks before, but what do you do about those little pieces?

The grips that come on the Wiley Clapp are made by Altamont to the same size as the older grips found on 4" and longer GP100s, and in my opinion they are too long for a 3" gun. They are nice grips, but they are out of place on a 3" gun. The proportions are way off, and that's a long grip to hide under a shirt. The compact sized rubber grips, which were previously found on the 3" GP100s, are much better suited to the Wiley Clapp. It's just really odd to make a gun that is a great interpretation of a modern CCW revolver, then slap a long, full-sized grip on it.

The aftermarket is sorely lacking for GP100 grips that are better suited to CCW. I bought a set of wooden grips from a Thai seller on eBay, then I cut off a half inch from the bottom in order to make more CCW friendly grips. It took me a while, and a good bit of cash, to even find a set of the older style compact grips for sale. It would be nice if someone (Altamont?) stepped up to fill this niche.

DIY solution:

http://ricanhavocproductions.com/oldsite/images/gp100-wiley-clapp1.jpg

boricua9mm
February 18, 2014, 12:57 PM
Those grips look fantastic. I'm inspired to try that myself, but I don't know what to do about the emblem and mounting hardware. I've stripped, sanded, and re-stained rifle stocks before, but what do you do about those little pieces?

There's not really anything you can do about them; I just worked around them. I simply polished them up afterwards with a bit of metal polish. I had to go back and relieve more material from the scallop cut for two reasons. First, it created a shelf that made it painful to shoot with magnums (it hit my thumb joint). Second, it wouldn't allow my speed loaders to clear. Chopping off the bottom section was the scary part. If things went awry I'd have ruined a set of beautiful $50 grips and I'd have to take the chance getting another set from Thailand.

Still though, these grips are fatter than the compact style rubber Lett grips, and wood will never feel as comfortable as rubber once the recoil hits you. If you want to comfortably shoot full power 158s and/or 180gr gas check loads, the rubber grips are where it's at. Of course, the downside is the potential for rubber to grab a shirt in a CCW application.

ccjcc81
February 18, 2014, 05:40 PM
Thanks Boricua.

I'm a little confused about the compact grips. I e-mailed Altamont asking them to produce the compact rubbers. Their entire response was:

"Ruger does not make the rubber part any more"

So I asked them if they were the manufacturers of the rubber part that is for sale on their website, and if not, who makes them so that I can go pester them, and they said:

"Rubber grips are made by Ruger and laser by Altamont"

Anyone know what that means?

I wonder just how many people have looked at the 3" GP100 and passed on buying it because of those ridiculously large Hogues. I have a couple of times. I wouldn't have bought the Wiley Clapp with those grips, and I suspect that the ones on it will be too large.

RealGun
February 18, 2014, 05:48 PM
CraigC - notice how much further down on the trigger guard the Roper grips cover. That is a critical area for me, and those Ropers might work, if not too big for me.

Let's keep in mind that we have to be referring to GP100s here, maybe SP101's, in terms of what grips Ruger provides in a DA revolver. These are the ones where the "old" style has been dropped and then spawned this discussion.

savit260
February 18, 2014, 06:19 PM
Others can have a different preference and perspective, but the number one consideration for me is whether a grip offers protection from the trigger guard, which older standard grips and copies do not. Cited preferences should always specify the context of what type of ammo is being shot. If shying away from full up magnum rounds, I think my point is well supported. Hurray for those who don't find heavy ammo in a trimmed down gun to be problem.

Even on the smaller SP 101, I have no issues with my finger getting smacked by the trigger guard shooting full house .357's. My hands are of average size I'd say. If you were talking about the old wood "Security Six" grips, I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but the GP an SP grips ride the middle finger in a pretty good place IMO. Certainly more protection than a set of standard "service panels" on most D/A revolvers.

I'm glad the Hogues actually work for you, but for many of us.. the one place they make you grasp the revolver just doesn't work all that well.

Craig's those Ropers (Roper inspired I mean... I'm assuming they weren't made by Roper) are a thing of beauty!

ECVMatt
February 18, 2014, 06:58 PM
I am another who prefers the Lett style grips. I stashed a few pairs away and still pick them up as they become available. I have not tried Altamont yet, but they look like a good alternative. I wish they would make a compact as well.

DPris
February 18, 2014, 09:20 PM
Ruger says they do not make any rubber grips for their guns.
I'm told they did not make the old rubber parts for the wood inserts.
Denis

ccjcc81
February 18, 2014, 10:15 PM
Interestingly, Altamont says that they do not make the rubber piece, and Ruger does. It would appear as though we won't be getting more compact grips any time soon, since nobody knows where they come from...

DPris
February 18, 2014, 10:19 PM
Went through the same thing with somebody trying to get the rubbers from Midway a few months ago.
Midway said they got 'em from Ruger, Ruger said nope.

Mystery, huh? :)
Denis

ricebasher302
February 18, 2014, 11:58 PM
My 4-inch half-lug now wears the compact grips. I traded the standard that was on it for the compact. I like the look and the feel better. Now if I could just get that Ruger warning label off the barrel!

SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE
February 19, 2014, 01:39 PM
I have a similar grip on my speed six , and am considering getting a pair for my 4 inch gp100 !http://www.midwayusa.com/product/313254/pachmayr-compac-grips-ruger-gp100-rubber-black

Stevel
February 19, 2014, 09:21 PM
Midway stocks them. You still need to buy inserts, but they are readily available.
Link (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/491806/ruger-factory-grip-1-piece-rubber-without-inserts-ruger-gp100-super-redhawk?cm_vc=ProductFinding)

Jaymo
February 19, 2014, 09:34 PM
Hated the GP100 grips when the GP100 came out in the 1980s.
Then, I shot one.
Love at first squeeze.
Haven't found a Hogue rubbber grip I can tolerate.
Put one on my Redhawk, years ago. Picked it up. Held it. Removed the Hogue and reinstalled the factory wood.
Much better than the Hogues.
For rubber finger grooved grips, I'll take Pachmayr Grippers over those godawful Hogues.

I need to find those Hogue RH grips and sell them.

I'm thinking about getting the snakeskin Altamont iteration of the Lett grip for my GP100.
My GP100 was made shortly before the switch to Hogues.
It's a fantastic grip for actual shooting.,

DPris
February 20, 2014, 12:21 AM
Midway's usually out of stock on them. :)
Denis

Salmoneye
February 20, 2014, 11:16 AM
And those are the 'regular' size, not the compact that came on the fixed sight GP100's...

DPris
February 20, 2014, 11:29 AM
Two or three years ago, after Ruger quit using them, I did buy two of the compact rubbers from Midway.
Several months ago a poster in a thread was bringing up trying to order them from Midway more recently, being told Midway was out of stock because Ruger was behind, calling Ruger & finding nobody who knew anything about them.

I checked with Ruger's product manager who said "Not us, we're not making them."

Today, Midway shows the compact rubbers for $8.49, out of stock, no backorder.
Denis

CraigC
February 20, 2014, 01:33 PM
The grooveless Hogue's are better than those with fingergrooves but they still have that irritating palm swell. I picked up these to try them out. Probably going to take the palm swells down on the bench sander. Might be serviceable then. They would have a good thing here if those damned palm swells weren't so prominent. Feels like a marble between your hand and the grip. :barf:

The color looks good against the target gray finish, which I happen to actually like.

http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsiv/large/IMG_2766b.jpg

357 Terms
February 20, 2014, 01:54 PM
Today, Midway shows the compact rubbers for $8.49, out of stock, no backorder.
Denis

I ordered them in March of 2013 from Midway, still not in stock, still ordered.

I dont expect to get them anytime soon.

I will probably go with the Badger boot grips for my 3in gp.

ccjcc81
February 21, 2014, 12:10 AM
Boricua, can you get all three fingers on that chopped down grip?

skidder
February 21, 2014, 01:51 AM
Mine came with Hogues, but I swapped for the Lett's from my SRH.


http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc456/exlogger/GP100/LettGP_zps8bde22f8.jpg

boricua9mm
February 21, 2014, 09:03 AM
Boricua, can you get all three fingers on that chopped down grip?

Yes!

SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE
February 21, 2014, 11:51 AM
I bought a Ruger gp100 stainless 4 inch in December ,it came with the hogue grips and the factory grips in the box ! You guys got me to thinking I should try them , so I put them on ! I think you are right , they are much better , plus now I can use the speedloaders I have that would not work with the bulkier hogue grips ! I have the same hogue "tamer grips on my SRH in 454 casull and they work fine , but it is not a combat handgun ! Kevin

bearfoot
February 21, 2014, 01:22 PM
Wow. I must be the only one on this planet who prefers the Hogues. But then I'm not trying to conceal my 4" GP100. It's a holster/duty-style gun.
I might try to conceal my SP101 with old-style/Lett's/Altamont/whatever grips, but I don't shoot full power .357's through it for fun because my middle-finger knuckle feels it into the next day. Not a complaint, just an observation.
To be fair, I haven't shot a GP100 with old-style grips, but I did buy a used Redhawk that came with rubber Pachmaiers. I could shoot it, but I changed them out for Hogues and now have a strong preference for the grippy-ness they provide.

el indio
February 27, 2014, 05:08 PM
Looking for grips for the gp100? My brother-in-law's buddy Mike Galayda makes custom grips. I talked to him and he told me that if he can get enough orders, he would make a run to keep the cost down. Hie website is mikeyggrips.com. You can also Google Galayda Grips to get reviews on his products. I have a set of his grips in my Ruger Blackhawk. The fit and finish is great. Check him out,and you won't regret it.

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