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WayBeau
February 18, 2014, 03:51 PM
Looks like hunters on private land will be able to legally hunt on Sundays in Virginia soon.

Not trying to stir the pot, but I'm curious about people's opinions on this since I have mixed emotions.

So, what say you?

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toiville2feathers
February 18, 2014, 04:22 PM
Shouldn't be hunting on Sunday. You need to be in church learning how to handle poison serpents, praying and repenting so you aren't a sinner and get bit.

buck460XVR
February 18, 2014, 04:22 PM
I was always under the impression that the "No hunting on Sundays" was based on the premise that Sunday was a holy day and thus the no hunting on Sunday had religious roots. Since there is supposed to be separation between church and state, you would think that government regs against hunting on Sunday would be unconstitutional.

Sam1911
February 18, 2014, 04:29 PM
Yup, just a hold over "blue law." Really no point to it, beyond that we have traditions of liking to tell people what to believe and how to go about practicing those beliefs.

And, now?

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"...we have traditions for everything: how to how to eat, how to sleep, how to wear clothes. For instance, we always keep our heads covered, and always wear a little prayer-shawl. This shows our constant devotion to God. You may ask, how did this tradition start? I'll tell you. I don't know. But it's a tradition. And because of our traditions, every one of us knows who he is, and what God expects him to do."



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Of course, it really should be SATURDAY hunting that's prohibited... ;)

Arkansas Paul
February 18, 2014, 05:11 PM
Since there is supposed to be separation between church and state, you would think that government regs against hunting on Sunday would be unconstitutional.

Dry counties too.
And alcohol sales on sunday.

BudgetBucks1
February 18, 2014, 05:12 PM
No church meetings held on any public land I've hunted before so I don't see why it is just for private land. I would think since there is a seperation of church and state that you would be able to hunt on Sunday on public land. I think it is a ridiculous law and there is absolutely no justification for it.

Ohen Cepel
February 18, 2014, 05:15 PM
We have a lot of deer and usually not enough days to hunt. The ban on Sunday hunting is dated in my mind.

Worse, in md where I am stuck now, most of the season here is archery only so it's not like you're going to disturb the neighbors. md allows it but it's county by county and I'm so lucky to be in one which doesn't allow it.

Most people can't take a weekday off to hunt so the weekends are it for them. To take away 1/2 of a person's hunting days is wrong in my mind.

buck460XVR
February 18, 2014, 05:20 PM
Most people can't take a weekday off to hunt so the weekends are it for them. To take away 1/2 of a person's hunting days is wrong in my mind.

I also wonder how much impact on income for gas stations, restaurants and LGSs there is because of the Sunday ban.

Art Eatman
February 18, 2014, 08:17 PM
Absent doing some sort of harm to a person, "Blue Laws" are an infringement on Liberty and personal freedoms.

Me, I have little or no interest in other folks no-harm actions.

Hunting on Sunday harms no person.

kbbailey
February 18, 2014, 08:42 PM
The Constitution of The United States makes no mention of separation of church and state.

I think the law was written to ward off poachers while landowners were known to be in church.

WayBeau
February 18, 2014, 08:51 PM
No church meetings held on any public land I've hunted before so I don't see why it is just for private land.

A lot of the opposition to repealing the law came from those worried about not being able to safely use public recreational areas. Do what you will with that argument.

Sam1911
February 18, 2014, 09:00 PM
The Constitution of The United States makes no mention of separation of church and state.Nevertheless, what we've come to call a "separation" between church and state is a fundamental precept of good government, and clearly a matter dear to the hearts of the founders.

jmr40
February 18, 2014, 10:12 PM
If someone prefers not to hunt on Sunday I'd be pretty upset if they requiring them to do so. If someone wants to hunt on Sunday it seems pretty silly to deny them the right to do so.

Arkansas Paul
February 18, 2014, 10:17 PM
The Constitution of The United States makes no mention of separation of church and state.

Not in those exact words, but it is certainly what the founding fathers had in mind.

Jefferson wrote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church & State."

kbbailey
February 18, 2014, 10:30 PM
I believe Jefferson wrote those words were written in a letter to a church, not in the COTUS. I think his intention was to assure that the gov't wouldn't choose an official religion.


I often wonder what the founders would think of the state of separation that we are currently in.


...anyway, I hunt on Sunday. I even did it by accident in Oklahoma once with a pair of bird dogs within sight of a state highway. I should have read the non-resident rules BEFORE I went hunting.

climbnjump
February 18, 2014, 10:58 PM
I think the law was written to ward off poachers while landowners were known to be in church.

Yepper, because poachers were much more likely to obey laws on Sunday than on any other day of the week. :D

WayBeau
February 19, 2014, 08:39 AM
Constitutionality aside, changing the law is really only benefiting a small population of the hunters since it is only applicable on private land. I think what's likely to happen is that there will be an increase in the number of trespassers hunting on land they don't have permission to hunt on for the very reason that KBBailey stated, the landowners will likely be in church (for at least part of the day).

JohnBT
February 19, 2014, 09:09 AM
"I think his intention was to assure that the gov't wouldn't choose an official religion."

You are correct. He wrote the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom first, based on his experience in Virginia with the Church of England - they collected the taxes for the state government and performed the only official weddings.

www.virginiamemory.com/online_classroom/shaping_the_constitution/doc/religious_freedom

"Under the English Act of Toleration, adopted in 1689, Protestants who were not members of the Church of England enjoyed some limited religious liberty, but in Virginia they were required to pay taxes to support the clergymen of the Church of England, and their marriage ceremonies had to be performed by Church of England ministers. Thomas Jefferson's eloquent statement of the principles of separation of church and state and of complete religious freedom was originally drafted in 1777 as the Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom. Although it was introduced in the General Assembly on June 12, 1779, it did not pass. James Madison, without whom it probably would never have been enacted, engineered its passage in the General Assembly in 1786 and thus shared with the state's dissenters the credit for detaching the church from the state in Virginia. "


A lot of people I've talked to about Sunday hunting think there will be folks deer hunting EVERY Sunday year 'round. They don't know about hunting seasons.

jrdolall
February 19, 2014, 09:36 AM
Most of the "blue laws" went out in Alabama back in the 60s and 70s. I don't recall a time when I couldn't hunt on Sunday though it is entirely possible. My grandfather taught me to love the outdoors and he was a devout Christian so we didn't hunt or fish on Sundays anyway until I was old enough to go on my own.

I know a lot of people that devote ALL of Sunday to family time. Church, Sunday Dinner, family time and then church in the evening. I certainly will not argue that as being a bad thing since most kids today could benefit from spending more time in church and with their parents.

We generally avoid snake handling in Alabama.

buck460XVR
February 19, 2014, 10:24 AM
Regardless of the intentions, the No Sunday Hunting was based on a Christian belief that Sunday was the holy day. These same laws were written by Christians at a time when that religion was about all there was. Like so many archaic hunting regs written before most of us were born, there is no longer a foundation or real purpose to them. Problem I see with many of them is tradition. Wisconsin has been trying to establish a more liberal gun hunting season with opening dates no longer established by the celebration of Thanksgiving. The biggest opponents are long time deer hunters.

A problem I see with no hunting on Sundays is that folks have recreational time available to them on Sunday. Those same folks find something other to do than hunt on those days off. As with most hobbies, folks have so much time and so much expendable income. Soon they spend all weekend doing a hobby because they can.....and hunting suffers along with the recruitment of new hunters.

andrewdl007
February 19, 2014, 10:35 AM
Growing up, I hunted duck on Saturday then we would hunt quail Sunday morning. I see nothing wrong with Sunday hunting.

ldlfh7
February 19, 2014, 03:59 PM
No hunting on Sunday is ridiculous. I work all week and Saturdays are my day to take care of all the chores around the farm. Sunday is generally the only day I can hunt. I would rather hunt than go to church. Should be up me, not the government.

morcey2
February 19, 2014, 04:50 PM
I don't hunt (or fish) on Sundays for religious reasons, but I think having a law against it is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

3212
February 19, 2014, 05:27 PM
I've seen both sides of this situation in Pennsylvania.I grew up in Lancaster County.The Amish and Mennonite farmers will not allow sunday hunting on their land and their non Amish neighbors don't want to hear gunfire while attending church.After I left the farm,I worked many 6 and 7 day weeks in factories which left very little time for hunting.I can drive a couple hours into the public land in the mountains where a shot wouldn't be heard by anyone in church.

jimmyraythomason
February 19, 2014, 05:36 PM
I don't hunt (or fish) on Sundays for religious reasons, but I think having a law against it is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It is the same for me. I choose not to hunt, fish or even shoot on Sunday as that day is Holy to me and I reverence it. I have no problem with others doing as their conscience and state laws allow.

AKElroy
February 19, 2014, 08:05 PM
Quote:
I don't hunt (or fish) on Sundays for religious reasons, but I think having a law against it is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.


Agreed. My family and I are all very active in our home congregation. I have no issue hunting on Sunday, nor do I see any New Testament teaching that would shun it. That said, I do not want my family, my hunting-partner son, even more importantly The Lord, seeing me place hunting ahead of worshiping on the first day of the week. We have a faithful congregation that is a 25 mile drive from our lease, so that is where we attend Sunday mornings when at the lease. If we have a group hunting, then I hold services at camp. If we get a deer that morning, it must be field dressed and hanging by 9:30 am, so we plan leaving the blind accordingly.

None of these choices are the prerogative of government, at any level, to regulate. I trust neither their motives, their desire to control, nor their interpretation of my faith.

351 WINCHESTER
February 19, 2014, 08:41 PM
As long as don't miss church you're good to go. Same thing for fishing too.

interlock
February 20, 2014, 04:08 AM
Hunting game on a Sunday is illegal here because Sunday was the only day off the common person had. So to prevent them hunting would preserve more game for the landowners who of course could hunt when they want. I wonder if your laws are simply modelled on that.

Jason_W
February 20, 2014, 06:34 AM
Maine has a Sunday hunting ban.

Apparently, there have been numerous attempts to change the law, but each time it has been met with a chorus of people who, "want just one a week to enjoy the woods without having to worry about being shot." Alternatively, the argument is, "Give the animals a break for one day a week."

The trouble with the above arguments is that Maine's hunting seasons are very short. Excepting furbearer hunting and trapping which is something a relative few people still do, hunting season only lasts October - December, and firearms deer season is only the month of November. The people and animals have woods free of hunters for 3/4 of the year.

1911 guy
February 20, 2014, 08:40 AM
I'll echo what others have said. I go to church on Sunday mornings and spend the afternoons with my family. What someone else does has zero effect on me. The bans are simply a holdover of the blue laws.

About the separation of church and state. There isn't one. Period. Has one been "found" by the courts? Sure. But it isn't actually there. All the Constitution says is that Congress cannot establish any religion as the "official" religion. It does NOT say that any religious expression is forbidden by anyone in government or on government land. For example, manger scenes at Christmas. Having one at the local courthouse is fine. What would not be fine (per the Constitution, not the idiot lawyers that have screwed the pooch for so long) is allowing a manger but denying the star of David or an expression of other religion if asked to display.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

NB: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Congress can't make an official state religion, nor can they impede you from practicing your chosen religion. If you have one. Just like a Baptist has no right to force his belief on a Methodist, an Atheist has no right to force his belief (or lack) on someone who does believe. This has been the most common outcome, an interpretation favoring freedom FROM religion, not OF religion.

cammogunner
February 20, 2014, 10:21 AM
i think the law is pretty stupid and probly just a tactic by some bunny huger in office to keep bambi safe.. i got to church every sunday and if i have time when its over i go hunting

AKElroy
February 20, 2014, 10:24 AM
Congress can't make an official state religion, nor can they impede you from practicing your chosen religion. If you have one. Just like a Baptist has no right to force his belief on a Methodist, an Atheist has no right to force his belief (or lack) on someone who does believe. This has been the most common outcome, an interpretation favoring freedom FROM religion, not OF religion.

If the government is binding THEIR interpretation of scripture, IE -- Sunday is a day of rest, then they are in fact establishing a religion. They are also wrong doctrinally, since the "sabbath" is SATURDAY under the old Law, a law Christians are no longer bound by (see the entire book of Galatians). The New Testament church met on the first day of the week, SUNDAY, with no prohibitions for work, hunting, or other activity. Only nine of the 10 commandments are repeated in the NEW Testament. Keeping the sabbath is not one of them, meaning it is relegated to the Law of Moses.

To my Jewish friends I say this: I am perfectly accepting and respectful of your religious objections toward helping me fill feeders on Saturday.

I am likewise respectful of my Christian friends that have a similar objection for Sunday activity.

I am NOT respectful of any governmental attempt to bind me to either position. Such proclamations from on high are in response to the religious interpretations of lobbying groups that I very likely disagree with, and such errant views IMO should never be bound on the public, especially on those that do not hold those same views. Such impositions were the very foundation of our separation from a tyrant king.

This is why the government is a poor place to allow the imposition of faith. They and those that lobby them are not theologians that I trust to apply ANY doctrine accurately, and even if they were, doing so would clearly violate the first amendment. I'll take care of the application of religious doctrine within the walls of my own home, thank you very much.

Art Eatman
February 20, 2014, 11:11 AM
Sorta gone wandering away from the basic hunting issue, really...:)

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