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4season
February 25, 2014, 11:28 AM
A school in my area was on lock down yesterday because, as the news reports, "A bullet was found in a classroom." They then go on to report that nothing else was found and there was no threat. You can read the story here: http://www.timesnews.net/article/9073709/dobyns-bennett-locked-down
Now I know that anytime the words "gun" and "school" are used in the same sentence that the news media tries to induce panic. But why would they lock a school down over a small piece of lead with a copper jacket? I can only assume that they are talking about loaded ammo or a "live round." Makes me think about how ignorant people talk about those evil "big clips." Why is it that no one in the news media cares about getting the term right? Now maybe they did only find a single projectile and it cause a panic but since there is no picture of someone holding a 95 grain hollow point bullet I assume they found something more like a live 22lr round. Probably a kid stuck his hand in his jacket pocket and realized that he had accidentally left a round in his pocket from his last hunting or shooting range trip and rather than face expulsion for bringing a weapon to school he got rid of it quietly. Now I realize I am speculating here as it could just as easily be a "get out of school early" scheme of some kid or a genuine threat thwarted.

Now maybe I am being to harsh on the incompetent news media, but I am really sick of the hourly news reports being nothing more than attempts to cause uniformed people to panic.

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ldlfh7
February 25, 2014, 11:33 AM
With all of the school shootings these days, locking the school down over a bullet or cartridge is not all that surprising.

alfon99
February 25, 2014, 11:41 AM
Locking a school because of this is ridiculous. Even if it was a live round it's not a big deal. I've taken live ammo for projects in school. Of course I don't live in the US.

tomrkba
February 25, 2014, 11:41 AM
I wish school administrators would use some sense in this sort of situation.

Carl N. Brown
February 25, 2014, 11:59 AM
Kingsport has had knife, hammer and baseball bat murders in recent years. I'll bet there are knives in the cafeteria, hammers in the shop classes and baseball bats in the athletic house. But I wonder if someone found one abandoned in a classroom, there would be an equal panic?

Oh well. Remember students: if you have gone hunting or targetshooting over the weekend, police your pockets and trouser cuffs before going to school on Monday.

BTW, have you ever policed a construction area? I have found up to a half dozen rimfire power loads dropped and forgotten. Which makes me wonder about the nature of that "bullet".

smalls
February 25, 2014, 12:37 PM
A friend of mine sent our high school on lockdown once because a paintball fell out of his backpack. The same backpack he packed gear in for a tournament over the weekend. An actual round of ammo would've had SWAT there .

forward observer
February 25, 2014, 12:43 PM
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BTW, have you ever policed a construction area? I have found up to a half dozen rimfire power loads dropped and forgotten. Which makes me wonder about the nature of that "bullet".

There's probably another explanation for finding expended rim fires at a construction site

There are various construction tools that use 22 blank cartridges to power drive a bolt or nail through both wooden floor studs and a concrete pad.

Here's one designed for a homeowner, but they make bigger commercial models that are more frequently used in home building:

Ramset-hammer (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Ramset-Hammer-Shot-0-22-Caliber-Single-Shot-Tool-00022/100091715)

Cheers

Red Wind
February 25, 2014, 12:48 PM
Here's one designed for a homeowner, but they make bigger commercial models that are more frequently used in home building

Thank you! That is interesting. I'd never heard of the tool.

http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/300/a3/a3bfaeae-7e84-4e95-b608-1612cba37973_300.jpg

javjacob
February 25, 2014, 12:55 PM
ahh! a bullet! run for your lives! smalls, that is insane they would put a school on lock down over a paint ball?! wow! a paint ball.

Tirod
February 25, 2014, 12:55 PM
With all of the school shootings these days,

That there's really funny, unless by some strange twisted notion it's considered factual. . .

It's about 21 children a year over the last 15 years. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2007/09/us-school-shoot/

Far from epidemic. 10 times as many die at the hands of a drunk driver. http://www.madd.org/statistics/

But, nobody really does anything about them, right? Maybe we should ban alcohol, after all, if it saves the life of one child, right?

Over 390 kids from age 0-14 die by drowning. http://www.cpsc.gov/en/Newsroom/News-Releases/2012/New-CPSC-Data-Show-Child-Drownings-In-Pools-and-Spas-Still-A-Leading-Cause-of-Death/

So, stop selling home swimming pools and waders. Close down the public pools, and fence off all streams, rivers, lakes, and the ocean.

If it saves the life of one child it should be worth it.

Be very careful repeating the lies we hear on the news, because they are. Kids being shot in school isn't an epidemic, and even the authorities say so. It's a political agenda that beats that drum, in defiance of common sense and the reality of how kids are actually being killed.

We lost nearly 10 X the number of teens annually to drunk driving than in combat the last ten years. A law was broken every time a teen got drunk, and then they killed each other in an out of control exercise of a motor vehicle. Where are the charges of homicide? Nothing happens.

But we need to do something about all them guns killing kids, 'cause its an epidemic!

Carl N. Brown
February 25, 2014, 01:22 PM
What got my attention about the abandoned power loads were that these were live. It was at a residential construction sight.

GBExpat
February 25, 2014, 01:26 PM
I wish school administrators would use some sense in this sort of situation.

Me, too ... but ...

... in many cases, school administrators are limited in how they may respond without potentially damaging their careers.

My sister was a Guidance Counselor for several decades at a local (rural area, btw) middle school. She would come by here quite often after school to visit (and blow off steam) ... and her stories would repeatedly blow my mind relative to how they were required to respond to assorted situations.

Many of the required Official Responses started by discarding logic & common sense.

As a result, whenever they first became aware of a potential "situation" they would try to quickly determine What really happened? and Who knows about it.

With that info, if it was something silly that could possibly spiral out of control and demand an Official Response, they would work hard to assure that certain trip wires were not touched.

hso
February 25, 2014, 01:57 PM
Let's examine the situation for a moment before jerking our knees our of joint.

If you're a teacher or administrator and you find a live round in the classroom you're going to need to be concerned that one of your students might have brought a weapon in with them and that they might represent a threat to themselves or another student or faculty. You call in the LEOs with their search dog and hold the students in place until the classrooms are searched with students that have been in that classroom that day so you can exclude the chance that this is innocent instead of potentially dangerous.

Years ago you wouldn't be as concerned because your little darling would never think about coming to school to shoot a teacher or fellow student, BUT because today you have to wonder if you're going to find yourself looking down the barrel of a gun because some kid is trying to copy some other kid's headline grabbing murder you better take the precaution of verifying the dropped round is innocent.

jakk280rem
February 25, 2014, 02:02 PM
I gave an expanded 158gr Speer Gold Dot to my nephew to take to school for show and tell. Never heard anything back about a lock down. A couple years later my niece used the same bullet in a middle school science report. Again no lock down.

Pizzapinochle
February 25, 2014, 02:30 PM
Stuff like this.... :banghead:

Kingsport has had knife, hammer and baseball bat murders in recent years. I'll bet there are knives in the cafeteria, hammers in the shop classes and baseball bats in the athletic house. But I wonder if someone found one abandoned in a classroom, there would be an equal panic?



Please, cite the last mass hammering/batting/stabbing at a school in the US that resulted in 5 or more deaths.

Do I need to list the shootings, or can you figure those out on your own?

Guns do more damage/death more quickly with less expertise/ability than any other item available to civilians.

Guns are different, pretending like they are not simply denies reality.

Jackal
February 25, 2014, 02:33 PM
When I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade, (about 20 years ago) I was made to turn my G.I. Joe t-shirt inside out because it had an animated picture of a fictional soldier, holding a fictional gun. My parents were stunned when they got a call from my school informing them that the school had a zero tolerance weapons policy..... Its a T-shirt, not a weapon! It looked similar to this one : http://www.honcho-sfx.com/images/freeze-mens-g-i-joe-t-shirt-blue-p2358-6846_image.jpg

Bottom line, the world we live in sucks and it wont get better. This political/social system is much like a broken tool. If a blacksmith cannot properly repair a tool, it must be reforged and remade.:cool:

Public Schools: Let the wussification of American children commence!

razorback2003
February 25, 2014, 03:32 PM
The people who make these decisions have very little common sense. The news media makes the situation even worse because the people running the news media by and large dislike firearms and knives.

mike28w
February 25, 2014, 04:43 PM
Entertaining..... If this had happened at my school, when I was a student.. I would have learned a neat little lesson !!

When I don't have my homework done or I'm not ready for the test...... Simply bring in a round of ammo and set it out when no one else is looking. I bet it would get me out of a taking a test !! :rolleyes:

Walt622
February 25, 2014, 05:18 PM
Stuff like this.... :banghead:



Please, cite the last mass hammering/batting/stabbing at a school in the US that resulted in 5 or more deaths.

Do I need to list the shootings, or can you figure those out on your own?

Guns do more damage/death more quickly with less expertise/ability than any other item available to civilians.

Guns are different, pretending like they are not simply denies reality.
Why put the number 5 down as a qualifier? Do the first 5 not count?

It's not about safety, it's about teaching children that "guns are Evil". So Evil, that if ANYTHING associated with guns comes near, you must be protected by locking you in somewhere so that the Evil Thing cannot harm you! They are so terrible, just the act of nibbling your Pop Tart into the shape of the Evil Thing will bring death and destruction down on everyone around you, so you must be removed from polite society.

In other words, brain wash the children into believing guns are evil, in a generation or two, the fight is over. The Constitution looses, the people are more easily subjugated.

It's a long fight, the other side will never give up, they may fall back, switch tactics, but never give up.

So many things they do in schools today stinks of conditioning as opposed to learning.

Sorry, starting to rant....

simonstough
February 25, 2014, 05:39 PM
i don't really want to start an argument but i know that i can cause an extreme amount of damage with a baseball bat or hammer in short order and even more so with a knife. it's not so much a case of "how much how fast" in regards to damage but teaching children that all things related to firearms are bad.

Huskerguy
February 25, 2014, 09:13 PM
I know this won't be popular but here goes anyway. I am a school administrator, have been one for 15 years, another 15 as a classroom teacher. I remember the days of being able to bring a gun to school and not have to worry about it. I currently work in a private christian school but have worked in public schools prior to this.

If someone finds an unfired cartridge laying around there is no way you have any idea what else goes along with it. You have hundreds if not thousands of kids at risk IF there is an actual firearm to go along with the unspent round? Sure it is easy to sit back on the internet and say, boy that was dumb and that idiot administrator should get his head examined. Well, he may be right or he may be wrong but he sure as heck better not take chances with the lives of your and other people's children. There is usually a protocol but no specific plan for everything that comes up. However, do you want to be the administrator who took the chance there wasn't more ammo and a firearm to go with it? That is just plain insane thinking.

Sure, afterwards you might think the administrator was overreacting but he doesn't know that at the time. You lock the school down and determine if there is any potential for problems and then you go back to normal. You can sleep with yourself knowing you did everything to mitigate a possible problem that you really don't know exists or not.

Bianchi?
February 25, 2014, 09:17 PM
Seriously? I remember my high school physics teacher bringing in some bullets to show us and to run some experiments with. He brought in a bunch of lead and jacketed 9mm, 40, 45, and 38's, and we have a plenty of fun measuring each one's drop time (the experiment had something to do with gravity). And this was in 2007-2008.

MyGreenGuns
February 25, 2014, 10:11 PM
Entertaining..... If this had happened at my school, when I was a student.. I would have learned a neat little lesson !!

When I don't have my homework done or I'm not ready for the test...... Simply bring in a round of ammo and set it out when no one else is looking. I bet it would get me out of a taking a test !!
This. We found all kinds of creative ways of avoiding tests, dropping a round somewhere would have been WAY easier!

jerkface11
February 25, 2014, 10:12 PM
They locked a school down here because a kid brought an empty clip to school.

Mousegun
February 25, 2014, 10:29 PM
I wish school administrators would use some sense in this sort of situation.

None available

Jim K
February 25, 2014, 10:48 PM
At one school, someone broke a thermometer. Assuming that thermometers contain mercury, school was dismissed and the authorities spent tens of thousands of dollars decontaminating the lab and the surrounding area. Finally, the school superintendent admitted that the thermometer had contained alcohol, but came out with the usual BS about "the need to protect our children."

Jim

4season
February 25, 2014, 10:53 PM
This topic took off in a completely different direction then I thought. I was making fun of the media for not knowing the difference between a bullet and a live round. Although if the school actually did go on lock down for a bullet, I would certainly consider that an overreaction.

rondog
February 26, 2014, 01:47 AM
I read an account on a gun forum from a LEO that was sent on a call - a family had found an "explosive device" in their rented minivan. He arrived to find an entire family trembling in terror, and far away from the van. Upon inspection, he said he found a shotgun shell rolling around on the floor.

hartcreek
February 26, 2014, 03:37 AM
All this stupidity of a lock down when a bullet was found is going to do is produce more of them. Students will be pulling this crap ever week due to the stupidity of the school administration.

This is going to be a bit off topic but here locally a place that rented and pastured horses was digging in there pasture. The pasture was on Forest service land and a pestil was found. The idiots at the Forest Service wrote it up that a pistol was found and that triggered a law enforcement investigation of the site. Stupidity is rampant every where that has anything to do with the government.

Mp7
February 26, 2014, 03:50 AM
Are the same folks, who have a triple-paranoia-zombie plan
vs. invasion in their own home, complaining about security in schools
being oversensitive?

Really?


While we all would prefer to live in a world, where school shootings are unheard of, and general society has more common sense in all areas, guns, belief, tolerance, solidarity .... (...)

But it aint like dat.

Better safe than sorry. And its good to practice it.

JRH6856
February 26, 2014, 03:57 AM
^^^ Pestil? As in Turkish fruit leather (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pestil)? Buried in a pasture? :confused:

pockets
February 26, 2014, 06:57 AM
Probably meant 'pestle'....

Did they find the 'mortar' to go with it?

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45_auto
February 26, 2014, 07:19 AM
Hindsight is 20-20.

It would be interesting to hear a lot of the poster's reactions if it came to light that a live round was discovered in a classroom earlier in the day before a massive school shooting ocurred, but no one did anything about it.

bearcreek
February 26, 2014, 08:21 AM
They locked a school down here because a kid brought an empty clip to school.
What kind of clip? There can't be that many non gun people that would know what a clip was if they found one. Heck, I bet there's a fair number of gun people that wouldn't know. Here's a couple pics of clips as examples.

jerkface11
February 26, 2014, 08:44 AM
What kind of clip? There can't be that many non gun people that would know what a clip was if they found one. Heck, I bet there's a fair number of gun people that wouldn't know. Here's a couple pics of clips as examples.

All they said was empty clip. I vote for SKS.

Tirod
February 26, 2014, 09:05 AM
My wife works as a para at the local high school. And I appreciate Huskerguy chiming in with some insight.

But I do take exception that "hundreds if not thousands of children are at risk." Not. Odds are somebody coming into a school with a plan to shoot the classmates who bullied them has a finite and limited number of targets. That they carry more than a magazine of ammo goes to a making a statement of empowerment. They have lots of ammo! In most cases they don't have the skills or mindset to use it all. They aren't there to do that - and if just one responding adult is getting close, they either quit or commit suicide.

"Hundreds or thousands of students" is exactly the overblown hysteria that surrounds the entire issue. That is rhetoric - making more of it than it is. Read the actual situations well documented and it's easily discerned how far a shooter will go.

The long term overreaction to anything firearms related in a school forcing a lockdown is going to eventually cause fatigue at the overreaction. Schools will even start compartmentalizing their facility - which means the automatic fire doors that all too often get blocked open will swing shut and lock, trapping a shooter into a much smaller area. Plus, the schools are already operating with a lockdown atmosphere. Many classroom doors are controlled ingress/egress to keep students from walking in or out as they please. It's a behavior issue with kids, primarily.

Goes to a more recent shooting where the perpetrator broke thru a window to get in.

Right now the pendulum has swung to one side in a reaction to prevent shootings in schools, and as they continue - and they will - the issues behind them and what to do will sort out. But, as I have pointed out, school shootings rank pretty low in the causes of death among children under 12. Mom's negligence does far more.

Be advised, while school shootings aren't confined to just public school, it does go to that. Building and housing our children in detention centers with concrete block walls, automatic security doors, and cops patrolling the halls isn't what we need. And a lot of us took steps to keep out of them by homeschooling or putting our children in private or religious schools. That is because the public schools were originally started to teach the children of the poor. They were never meant to be the only choice. Teachers unions pushed that agenda, and now, the unintended consequences of their actions and methods are coming to a head.

Pizzapinochle
February 26, 2014, 09:46 AM
My wife works as a para at the local high school. And I appreciate Huskerguy chiming in with some insight.

But I do take exception that "hundreds if not thousands of children are at risk." Not. Odds are somebody coming into a school with a plan to shoot the classmates who bullied them has a finite and limited number of targets.


1. That is a load of baloney, plenty of school shooters and other mass shooters have gone in and just started shooting whoever they saw.

2. Even if they are targeting, you don't know which specific child/children are being targeted, thus they are ALL at risk, making the statement accurate.

The_Armed_Therapist
February 27, 2014, 06:38 PM
LOL! I was briefly a teacher. If I would have found a bullet, I wouldn't have even given it a second thought. I'd either pocket it if it was in a caliber I owned, or throw it away. :confused: Strange happenings these days.

barnbwt
February 27, 2014, 10:07 PM
But why would they lock a school down over a small piece of lead with a copper jacket? I can only assume that they are talking about loaded ammo or a "live round."

It matters not what it was. It could have been a firing pin. The whole purpose of exercises like this is to traumatize kids and ingrain a fear of firearms. Quite literally hopolophobia in this case; outright terror over a lump of metal. But the kids will remember that a "gun" made them cower beneath their desks for an hour in silence...

This is the kind of stuff ancient magicians, seers, and priests used to wrap their 'clients' around their fingers. I've noticed for a while now that there is a serious and disturbing anti-intellectual bent to a lot of American politics and culture (both sides), where both science and philosophy are shunned as exalted fields in favor of sports and artistry. The Aztecs had all sorts of sports and artistry, and also believed human sacrifices brought rain. Gonna go read Anthem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthem_(novella)) and weep for mankind, now...

But I do take exception that "hundreds if not thousands of children are at risk."
Oh, but they are at risk. Grave risk. Deadly risk. Catastrophic risk. ...and infinitesimal risk. I'd wager it's more likely a child meets an early demise choking on cafeteria food (somehow that doesn't figure in the Principal's "risk management" CYA :confused:) or a caffeine-induced heart attack from school-supplied soda and obesity. It sounds crass or macabre, but the fact is that these events are so rare that they effectively don't happen on anything but an emotional perception level.

TCB

Sol
February 27, 2014, 10:47 PM
It makes sense on a larger scale really. A monetary scale that is. Sure it probably costs $10k+ in city resources to lockdown and deploy but look at it this way: $10k for a sense of security VS. multimillion dollar lawsuits against the city/ school district by deceased or injured faculty or students families.

Money and math.

hartcreek
February 28, 2014, 02:43 AM
No pockets they never did find the mortar but they sure pissed away a huge hunk of change digging up a pasture looking for not existant weapons or other evidence.

Pizzapinochle
February 28, 2014, 07:10 AM
I'd wager it's more likely a child meets an early demise choking on cafeteria food (somehow that doesn't figure in the Principal's "risk management" CYA :confused:)

TCB

Uh... You don't think school personnel train in CPR and emergency responses to choking? Because they do.

How about fire? Do you guys complain every time schools run a fire drill that they are "demonizing fire?"

Schools do a LOT of risk management. Active shooter is one of those risks, and a highly public one AND the one most likely to produce a lot of deaths if it does occur.

Carl N. Brown
February 28, 2014, 09:09 AM
Stuff like this....

Quote: Originally Posted by Carl N. Brown :
Kingsport has had knife, hammer and baseball bat murders in recent years. I'll bet there are knives in the cafeteria, hammers in the shop classes and baseball bats in the athletic house. But I wonder if someone found one abandoned in a classroom, there would be an equal panic?


Please, cite the last mass hammering/batting/stabbing at a school in the US that resulted in 5 or more deaths.

Do I need to list the shootings, or can you figure those out on your own?

Guns do more damage/death more quickly with less expertise/ability than any other item available to civilians.

Guns are different, pretending like they are not simply denies reality.

Sorry. During and after WWII my father's generation came to the city from the country. A lot of folks hunt and target shoot and have relatives in the country. The idea of freaking out over a dropped bullet as though it were a ticking nuclear bomb is kinda lame.

A bullet was found. Not a gun. Not a gunman. An object not capable of being used as a weapon by itself therefore not even a means of mayhem much less an actor on its own. A soft lockdown disrupting classes for 90 minutes, bringing in K9 search. Would it have occurred if a hammer, knife or bat had been found out of place in the school? BTW most actual mayhem at schools these days involves less than five victims--often by a bullying victim or victims striking back at a bully or by druggies attacking a "snitch". And I do believe that body count exceeds the mass school shooting body count. Doing something substantial about bullying or drugs in schools would save more lives than fostering moral panick over a bullet. FTM the highest body count mass murders in the US have been arson, not mass shootings. I don't know a gun that would do as much mayhem as that nut did at the Happyland nightclub with a jug of gas and a match. I worry about and guard against violent people in my life, not about things.

Other local reports of actual lockdowns with more cause (substantial or not):

http://www.timesnews.net/article/9044419/civil-war-re-enactor-causes-lockdown-at-schools
Civil war re-enactor reported as "man with a gun" (potential actor with means)

http://www.timesnews.net/article/9068210/gate-city-high-school-on-soft-lockdown-after-threats
Threat to shoot another student allegedly made by a boy and a girl caused a soft lockdown (potential actors with motive and opportunity to do threatened mayhem)

http://www.timesnews.net/article/9057421/seven-arrested-in-burglary-that-prompted-science-hill-liberty-bell-lockdown
Police BOLO on burglary ring being actively pursued caused a lockdown of nearby school (could have prevented a standoff if the pursued burglars entered the school).

All these at least had an actor(s) with opportunity to be a potential threat, real or not. A lockdown over a means laying on a floor all by its lonesome seems a little over blown without a suspected actor.

The local story with local comments over the bullet lockdown (I have to view the comments with Google Chrome; Disqus does not work with my version of IE):
http://www.timesnews.net/article/9073709/dobyns-bennett-locked-down
Nick Shepherd, "Update: Dobyns-Bennett out of lockdown, single bullet found", Kingsport Times-News, 24 Feb 2014.

Pizzapinochle
February 28, 2014, 11:30 AM
The idea of freaking out over a dropped bullet as though it were a ticking nuclear bomb is kinda lame.


I agree in this case, unless there was other evidence of danger the response was a bit overboard. But, in general, there is good cause for school administrators to be more concerned about a firearm in a school than a bat or knife.

brboyer
March 1, 2014, 08:21 AM
With all of the school shootings these days, locking the school down over a bullet or cartridge is not all that surprising.
You have fallen for the media hype.



Define 'these days'.

In 2013, ABC News reported that there had been 31 school shootings in the US since Columbine in 1999. I counted 32. That's about 2.2 per year.
No significant difference in the last 15 years. Maximum of four, minimum of zero.

FYI, there are roughly 105,000 public schools and universities in the US.

Double Naught Spy
March 1, 2014, 10:45 AM
Define 'these days'.

In 2013, ABC News reported that there had been 31 school shootings in the US since Columbine in 1999. I counted 32. That's about 2.2 per year.
No significant difference in the last 15 years. Maximum of four, minimum of zero.

Define school shooting, LOL. There have been 32 MASS shootings since Columbine, maybe, but there have been at LEAST 30 shootings at schools in 2014 alone and that is in just 2 months. Given holidays and weekends, that is a shooting about ever 1.3 school days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

brboyer
March 1, 2014, 01:18 PM
Define school shooting, LOL. There have been 32 MASS shootings since Columbine, maybe, but there have been at LEAST 30 shootings at schools in 2014 alone and that is in just 2 months. Given holidays and weekends, that is a shooting about ever 1.3 school days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States
Wikipedia? :eek:

If you actually go look at those, none of them, well maybe one of them is a 'school shooting'. The majority 'near a school', or gang initiation, or straight up murder of single person, etc.

kimberkid
March 1, 2014, 10:36 PM
I got a 2 for 1 deal from Northern Firearms on Gunbroker, a SiG-TACOPS 45 for a Octane 45 I was expecting my stamp for any time & a SiG 1911-22

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/kimberkid/Toys/P2240684.jpg

As it turned out the guns and the stamp both came in the same week, but I had to wait 337 days for the stamp.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/kimberkid/Toys/P2280684.jpg

Strangely enough the 45 is US made and the 22 is German made, so I switched the stocks but I think I'll get some nicer ones for the 45.

PabloJ
March 1, 2014, 10:49 PM
Thanks, this is almost as newsworthy as seeing local FD rescue kitty from tree branch.

Double Naught Spy
March 2, 2014, 08:00 AM
If you actually go look at those, none of them, well maybe one of them is a 'school shooting'. The majority 'near a school', or gang initiation, or straight up murder of single person, etc.

Granted, some are "near a school" but as for being gang initiation (you have citations for this?) or murder does not change the fact that they were school shootings that occurred on school campuses. There are a helluva lot more school shootings than your claimed 2.2 per year average. That average would ONLY be for mass shootings. Mass shootings are but one type of school shooting, one involving 4 or more people being shot other than the perp(s) doing the shooting.

Regardless of motive, if it is a shooting on school property, it is a school shooting, plain and simple, like it or not.

redbullitt
March 3, 2014, 09:04 PM
Bullets kill people. They were only thinking of the children.

I bet it was for a ghost gun lol.

Agsalaska
March 4, 2014, 10:59 PM
This thread is hard to read.

Agsalaska
March 4, 2014, 11:05 PM
As for the OP, of all of the screwups in the media calling clips magazines and ARs assault rifles, etc. calling a live round a bullet does not really bother me. In fact I say it sometimes. I would argue that it is common enough to be a colloquial definition.

Deltaboy
March 4, 2014, 11:07 PM
Sad to think we used to Reload Shotgun shells in Shop.

Bexar
March 4, 2014, 11:23 PM
I was working a summer job in the early seventies at a large office tower construction sight. Someone had backed a truck into the supply shed and knocked several cases of ramset power loads from the shelf onto the floor and the cases broke open and scattered the loads everywhere. The site head honcho told one of the other summer crew and me to sweep everything up except the tools and throw everything in the trash pile to be burned. You could burn trash back then. Anyway, my co-helper took the garbage out as I finished picking up the tools. He did as he was told. Small problem...the Mexican laborers and bricklayers would take their lunches and light the pile up and heat their foil wrapped lunches up. I stepped out side and then turned back and asked my co-worker where he threw those shot loads. He said in the fire pit like we were told. About that time I turned around just as those 22 and 25 caliber stud gun power loads started going off scattering those poor guys and shredding their lunches. This wasn't just a handful of shot loads but probably several hundred. No one was injured by flying debris but those bricklayers and laborers were getting ready to tie us to that trash pit and let us join in on the fun. It didn't help the other guy was laughing like he had just seen the funniest thing in his life.

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