So? FN Now Makes a 28mm Handgun Now ..... yeah right


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dc dalton
February 25, 2014, 12:46 PM
You have to love the stupidity of some reporters out there, but this one takes the cake:

Ariane Raymondo-Felton – who recently filed for divorce – brought the Belgian-made pistol, an FNH Five-Seven 28mm handgun to the 20th Precinct on the Upper West Side, and the starting point guard later turned himself in for questioning, sources said.

http://nypost.com/2014/02/25/knicks-raymond-felton-being-questioned-by-cops/

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JustinJ
February 25, 2014, 12:54 PM
I think it stupider to chastise a reporter for not being an expert on gun terminology, especially when writing about a relatively obscure caliber to non-firearms enthusiasts. Reporters have to write articles related to all matter of subjects and it is absurd to think errors will never happen.

HoosierQ
February 25, 2014, 12:56 PM
I am not sure we can always hold these folks to as much knowledge as we have...frankly. I mean I know what an ICD-10 code or a HCSPCS code is and if you ever went to see a doctor or were in the hospital, they were important very to you...and your bill...but maybe you don't know what it is.

The handgun in questions does fire a 5.7mm x 28mm round. Not the worst journalism mistake I've seen by far.

NavyLCDR
February 25, 2014, 12:58 PM
So they didn't take the time to research what 5.7mm x 28mm actually means....

vamo
February 25, 2014, 01:01 PM
Sources said the 28 mm handgun is one of the largest made, and that his wife took it from their home on West 63rd Street.

If not for that sentence I'm kinda just ok whatever someone was writing a story about a athlete's issues and didn't know much about guns. That sentence makes it sound like he was running around with a cannon.

NavyLCDR
February 25, 2014, 01:01 PM
You have to love the stupidity of some reporters out there, but this one takes the cake:



http://nypost.com/2014/02/25/knicks-raymond-felton-being-questioned-by-cops/

Nobody noticed the "armor-piercing gun" in the headline, nor the failure to capitalize N in Five-seveN?

El Tejon
February 25, 2014, 01:02 PM
28Mike-Mike? Cool!

You just don't see many squeeze bores these days, and in a handgun no less!:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.8_cm_sPzB_41

NavyLCDR
February 25, 2014, 01:05 PM
28Mike-Mike? Cool!

You just don't see many squeeze bores these days, and in a handgun no less!:D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.8_cm_sPzB_41

Now THAT is an armor-piercing gun!

316SS
February 25, 2014, 01:07 PM
I typed "FN" into a popular internet search engine and the first result contained all the information necessary for the reported to have gotten this right. Knowing more about WHAT is being reported than the audience is THE JOB OF A REPORTER. Reporting incorrect information means they have failed at their job. If you want to chalk it up to "everybody makes mistakes," fine. But reporters botching gun-related information is a cliché for a reason, and that reason is not honest mistakes, IMHO.

Arizona_Mike
February 25, 2014, 01:08 PM
You are missing the point. They called it "huge" and one of the largest handguns "ever made". They really do think it is a 28mm (and also think Felton had AP ammo which is very unlikely).

Mike

CLP
February 25, 2014, 01:09 PM
Good point. Researching the content of their articles is their job...

Davek1977
February 25, 2014, 02:51 PM
I bet is was actually a "28.5mm" ....you know, that gun that's only half the size of the FN "57" (5.7) LOL

hso
February 25, 2014, 02:53 PM
Good heavens, they linked to the FN website for the thing and they couldn't even get it right!!! Pathetic, but then the Post is pandering to the bird cage liner crowd anyway.

BigBore44
February 25, 2014, 03:02 PM
While reporters aren't really that bright, you can obviously tell this was written for shock effect which is commonplace nowadays. Shock is what sells. Not the truth. Any article/statement can be recanted, but the impact of the fallacy is what they are really after.

HoosierQ
February 25, 2014, 03:31 PM
So they didn't take the time to research what 5.7mm x 28mm actually means....
I will certainly stipulate to that. Journalism done very poorly.

NavyLCDR
February 25, 2014, 03:33 PM
I will certainly stipulate to that. Journalism done very poorly.
Or intentionally for anti-gun shock value.

Kiln
February 25, 2014, 03:45 PM
Seriously, try running a Google search before writing a report that thousands of people are going to see. Idiotic liberal writers that think everything is an AK47, AR15, or the most powerful high capacity handgun ever invented are among the most annoying people I've ever seen.

Outlaw Man
February 25, 2014, 03:50 PM
You think that one's bad? Check out this gem!

Cops were stunned when they removed the magazine from the pistol and a bullet fell out, indicating the weapon was ready to fire, sources said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/raymond-felton-knick-point-guard-charged-weapons-possession-article-1.1700808

I agree, just some basic research is in order. I don't expect them to accurately quote muzzle velocities and kinetic energy figures. But, either get it right or leave it out. There are hundreds of subject matter experts that would gladly give their time and skills, at no cost, to help.

JustinJ
February 25, 2014, 04:24 PM
Articles are reviewed and edited multiple times before a final draft is finalized for print. It seems highly likely that somewhere along the way somebody thought that "five-seven 5.7" was redundant and dropped the numerals. Not a hard mistake to make for one not familiar with guns and this specific model.

Skribs
February 25, 2014, 05:33 PM
Saying 28mm, when most people know that 9mm is the "standard", implies to the layman that the gun is 3x as big as is "standard." It's just like saying you can mag dump a 30 round mag from a semi auto in half a second. It is incorrect information that makes the gun seem more powerful than it is, making it look scarier and even more unnecessary for your average citizen to own (from the perspective of the "LE/military only" crowd).

That's why we get upset when reporters are "wrong." In some cases it's sloppy reporting. In others, it's intentional sensationalism to demonize guns.

herrwalther
February 25, 2014, 05:56 PM
They seem to have fixed it now:

Ariane Raymondo-Felton – who recently filed for divorce - brought the Belgian-made pistol, an FNH 5.7 x 28mm handgun, to the 20th Precinct on the Upper West Side, and the starting point guard later turned himself in for questioning, sources said.

Until I read:

Another source said Felton’s gun had an illegal, 20-shot clip that was fully loaded – and had a bullet in the chamber when she handed it over.

:cuss:

jrmiddleton425
February 25, 2014, 06:45 PM
They seem to have fixed it now:



Until I read:



:cuss:
The difference between a "clip" and a "magazine" is whether or not you care what anyone calls it.

Justin
February 25, 2014, 07:09 PM
I think it stupider to chastise a reporter for not being an expert on gun terminology, especially when writing about a relatively obscure caliber to non-firearms enthusiasts. Reporters have to write articles related to all matter of subjects and it is absurd to think errors will never happen.

The problem is that reporters screw up even basic concepts and terms related to guns on such a consistent and regular basis that it really demonstrates a cultural and endemic lack of willingness to engage with the subject matter in any sort of meaningful or informative fashion.

If they can't get the basics right, why should I trust them?

rbernie
February 25, 2014, 07:11 PM
How can a reporter claim to represent the truth or reality in any way when they demonstrate ZERO effort to determine what it is?

Grassman
February 25, 2014, 07:36 PM
How can a reporter claim to represent the truth or reality in any way when they demonstrate ZERO effort to determine what it is?
It's been that way for a while now. Journalism is dead in America.

HisStigness
February 25, 2014, 08:17 PM
By writing and publishing a news article, the author is basically declaring himself/herself an expert on the topic that they are reporting. If you are an expert on the news story, you should know what the heck you're talking about! They had not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 authors that wrote this article, and not one of them could be bothered to consult wikipedia and learn a little bit about the gun in question?

It also annoys me that the authors chose key words like "savage" to describe the 5.7x28 and evoke some emotion from the readers. The 5.7x28 isn't savage. Flechette rounds are savage; hand grenades are savage. The five seven just shoots a very small and light bullet at a moderately high velocity.
They also got a "law enforcement source" to say "it's a bad-ass gun." No it isn't. From what I've heard it's actually a really light recoiling, easy to shoot gun. Now if Felton was toting around a Magnum Research Desert Eagle, then the "law enforcement source" would be right to call it a "bad-ass gun."

*rant mode off*

atomd
February 25, 2014, 08:30 PM
This is annoying....but they do a whole lot worse. For instance, when the navy base shooting happened, the media was showing their CGI videos of the event and the character had an AR. One news outlet actually said he used an "AR15 Shotgun". Gee, the people these reporters vote for want to ban AR15s and all of a sudden every single gun used to kill anyone is magically an AR15. Coincidence? Probably not.

If I knew nothing about cars but I had to write an article about a deadly high speed police chase, I wouldn't just spout "the suspects car had 10,000,000 horsepower, can go 0-200mph in 2 seconds and had been designed specifically by the manufacturer to outrun the police". I would use google for 30 seconds and get the correct (or at least mostly correct) info.

barnbwt
February 25, 2014, 10:03 PM
They are powered by emotion when it comes to guns like any other anti. Why would they bother to do research. They feel compelled to spout what they feel when it comes to issues like these. No other subject addles them like guns do, it's much like various prejudices of old, like antisemitism or hatred of Irish or black --the most ridiculous junk is made up to slander them. Guns, and what they represent to many ('arrogant white men', in case you need another dose of ridiculousness) are this generation's whipping boy since all others have been given protected status.

Bear it, and work to deny them opportunities to harm us

TCB

akodo
February 25, 2014, 10:18 PM
I think it stupider to chastise a reporter for not being an expert on gun terminology, especially when writing about a relatively obscure caliber to non-firearms enthusiasts. Reporters have to write articles related to all matter of subjects and it is absurd to think errors will never happen.

Right, because there isn't this thing called the internet that allows research to be quicker and easier than ever before :scrutiny:

Kiln
February 25, 2014, 10:51 PM
The difference between a "clip" and a "magazine" is whether or not you care what anyone calls it.
Actually they have completely different definitions. It is like saying that the difference between a hammer and a wrench is whether or not you care what people call it.

redbullitt
February 25, 2014, 11:41 PM
The length is the scarier number!!! Good thing it wasn't a 10x25 lol

Theohazard
February 26, 2014, 02:23 AM
The difference between a "clip" and a "magazine" is whether or not you care what anyone calls it.
No, there is a distinct technical difference between a magazine and a clip. Just because many people don't know that difference doesn't make it correct.

45_auto
February 26, 2014, 07:33 AM
No, there is a distinct technical difference between a magazine and a clip. Just because many people don't know that difference doesn't make it correct.

Just because you believe that there is a difference doesn't make you correct.

Maybe if you get Miriam-Webster (most commonly used dictionary of the english language) to change their definition of a clip to whatever you believe that it should be, then more people would agree with you.

The most common definition states that a clip is a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of the weapon.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/clip

Definition of CLIP
2: a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also: a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm

Sam1911
February 26, 2014, 08:25 AM
Ooooh! Can we please have the inane "clip-vs.-magazine" argument again? PLEEEEASE?


No.

Never has a group grasped at a more flimsy straw in the never-ending quest to leverage pedantic trivialities as a means to appear superior to others.

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