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Nichl006
March 3, 2014, 05:38 PM
Does anyone know if the blaser R8
Professional Success rifle is worth
The $ they are asking. For me the
Bottom line is accuracy. My wife is
GOING to spend some $ on a rifle
And she remembers I commented
On that rifle. I need some help guys.
She might be persuaded by you.
If it is worth the $ I'll let her spend.

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Nichl006
March 3, 2014, 06:39 PM
Your opinions will be appreciated. I'm thinking about getting the R8 Professional Success.

Sam1911
March 3, 2014, 06:48 PM
Probably not going to find too many folks who've even seen one around here, but what draws you to it?

almostfree
March 3, 2014, 07:34 PM
I don't have a Success, but I do have an R8 Professional. It is far more accurate than I am. I feel like my rifle was worth the money, but I was considering a lot more than just accuracy. If accuracy is the only consideration, there may be better options out there.

back40
March 3, 2014, 07:37 PM
they are fine rifles, but only you can decide if it's worth it or not. they aren't your average run of the mill hunting rifle.

EchoM70
March 3, 2014, 08:09 PM
Like others have said a Blaser rifle is a hefty investment, and if Accuracy is your only or main concern then you could get something to fit the bill without breaking the bank.

Winchester or Savage are two that come to my mind. Anyways, If you want something of heirloom quality then Blaser would be a great choice.

Ultimately it's up to you, and it's your money. But if you're just looking for an accurate rifle you have other options at less than 1/3 of the price of the Blaser.

browningguy
March 3, 2014, 09:37 PM
The Blaser is a fine rifle, only you can decide if it's worth the money.

1858
March 3, 2014, 10:46 PM
I don't own a Blaser but I shot an R8 at media day recently. I spent a lot of time examining a number of them and they are superb rifles with excellent fit and finish. I can certainly see why people buy them. If you like fine things that showcase outstanding engineering you won't be disappointed with a Blaser.

If accuracy is the most important thing to you, there are many good options that cost considerably less. A Blaser is more than simply an accurate rifle.

Robert
March 3, 2014, 11:00 PM
If he does not see this thread try sending a pm to H&Hhunter. He is, in my opinion, an expert on higher end rifles like this.

DM~
March 3, 2014, 11:11 PM
The R8 is a fine rifle, being able to easily change bbls is a big plus too! The folks I know that have them, all say for "hunting" accuracy, they are VERY good.

It's the Blaser DR's and I wouldn't buy, but I think they have stopped production of those now.

DM

H&Hhunter
March 3, 2014, 11:11 PM
I have owned one and shot several R-93 Blasers. In a word unimpressed would describe my thoughts on the R-93. They had several issues that killed any and all interest that I had in them. I have not shot the R-8 but have heard nothing but good things about them apparently they fixed all of the serious issues that the R-93 had, time will tell. The major issue I had with mine was it wouldn't always go into battery or would go into battery then pop back out causing it to fail to fire. It was accurate, it had a stupendous trigger, it was short and light and it has the safest safety of any rifle ever built. The R-93 also had the bad habit of occasionally launching the straight pull bolt body out of the back of the gun and partially decapitating, severally disfiguring and blinding it's shooters. That was enough for me to get rid of it and never own another.

Do I think Blasers are worth the money that you pay for them? Not only no but HELL no. That is my opinion on Blaser products and my opinion only take it for what it's worth.

almostfree
March 4, 2014, 11:42 AM
The R-93 also had the bad habit of occasionally launching the straight pull bolt body out of the back of the gun and partially decapitating, severally disfiguring and blinding it's shooters. That was enough for me to get rid of it and never own another.

When I was looking at buying the R8, I had heard of this and tried to find all of the information that I could about it. I certainly didn't want to spend a lot of money on something that might be unsafe. It is my understanding that the incident where an individual was injured was due to extremely high pressure reloads. I seem to recall reading that the individual used pistol powder in his reloads, but I don't have anything to back that up. Would these reloads have done something similarly catastrophic to a Mauser 98 action? I don't know.

Below is a letter that I found posted back in 2008 concerning the blow up issue.

Dear Sir,

As you are aware of, on January 10, 2004, at a shooting range near Koblenz, Germany, a Blaser R93 was damaged and in that accident the shooter was injured.

Unfortunately this issue has been taken and exaggerated from various people in order to discredit the R93 in an un-objective and dubious way.

On January 22, 2004, the CEO and Technical Directors of Blaser Jagdwaffen GmbH were able to look at the rifle in question, with three police officials with the permission of the public prosecutors office Koblenz.

The steel showed deformation in the lockup area as well as two definite cracks beginning at the rear end of the chamber. Powderized brass was found in the lock-up area. There was deformation on the bolt head as well as deformation on the bolt head elements. The cam plate, which supports the assembly in locked position, and the right rail were broken away from position while the assembly was in a closed and locked position.

In a series of tests through DEVA (Deutsche Versuchs- und prufanstalt fur Jagd- und Sportwaffen.V.) measurements of the gas pressure were increased to almost 8.000bar/116,000 psi, whereby under this pressure there was no measured deformation to the outer contour of the chamber area in the barrel. There were also no deformations to the bolt head.

Without wanting to anticipate the results from the public prosecutor and after examination we have concluded clearly the damage was caused through extreme overloaded gas pressure. With consideration to the above mentioned DEVA examination, it is our opinion that the cause of this accident is without doubt due to the ammunition and cannot be related to the rifle.

At this point we would like to clearly state, that the technical design of the R93, with more than 100,000 rifles supplied, has not been found responsible for any accident where the rifle has been damaged. Every single R93 is controlled and tested by the state/county proof-house according to the C.I.P. regulations using proof cartridges exceeding the maximal allowed gas pressure by a minimum of 30%. The R93, however, withstands loads/gas pressures way above proof-level as our in-house/combined DEVA-tests clearly documents.

In the test reports from DEVA it was confirmed that there is no reason to doubt or fear the R93s strength and durability. DEVA states, "In the case of destruction to a rifle with an (illegal) gas pressure of 8.000 bar or above, this eventually may result in injury to the shooter. This cannot be related to the rifle."

"There are no reasons for us to doubt the safety of the technical design of the R93."

Unfortunately, it happens in individual cases that the use of defective or incorrectly loaded ammunition results in damage to the rifle and/or shooter, no matter what brand or type of rifle is used. For example, in 2003 we were aware that in Austria alone, three cases of destroyed bolt-actions rifles occured due to incorrectly loaded ammunition with three different rifle manufacturers being involved.

Even through there are enormous numbers of R93s on the market there are extremely few cases occuring through inadmissable, well overloaded gas pressures where a rifle is damaged or destructed. For this there are appraisals from different institutes with clear statements: In none of these cases a weapon-lateral cause of the damage was determined.

The Blaser R93, through its extremely safe and practice-suited technical design is one of the most popular hunting rifles offered on todays market. The straight fact is that with the enormous numbers of the R93 in the field today it is extremely rare that a rifle is destructed through incorrectly loaded ammunition. This is argument enough for the R93.

Yours sincerely in good hunting,

Blaser Jagdwaffen GmbH
Bernhard Knobel

H&Hhunter
March 4, 2014, 11:59 AM
almostfree,

I also studied the bolt failure issues on the R-93 quit deeply. Blaser was able to get most of the information on these bolt failures swept up and hidden from public view since they first occurred. They also settled most of the lawsuits out of court quietly. So while there is obviously an issue with overpressure reloads, I also read of several, one in Scandinavian in particular, that occurred with factory ammunition.

So I am not saying that you shouldn't own a Blaser. I am simply saying that my research led me to the opinion that I no longer was going to use mine. I am not a fan of the straight pull bolt system due to several factors.

The very fact that the R-8 bolt and lock up was redesigned specifically to reduce the chances of an uncontainable bolt failure tells me volumes about if there were or were not real issues with the R-93 system. I am not a fan of the Blaser system and I think they are overpriced for what you get, my opinion only, I do not disparage anyone who wants a Blaser it is a superbly built and fit rifle. It's just not for me.

That being said I would be willing to take an R-8 and test drive it for a season. If they have in fact fixed the failure to fire issues that I had with my R-93 I might find myself interested in the R-8 platform.

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