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Ric
April 2, 2004, 12:07 PM
I hear that the AWB is gonna die in Sep because their isn't any way to vote on it before then (spiring session is almost over and the fall session will be too late) so how long do you think it will take for companies to respond to this? High cap mags and new models in Oct?
Or do you think they will wait and see what happens with the election first.

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Foreign Devil
April 2, 2004, 12:27 PM
They could vote on it before September but it is unlikely.

They already make "banned" guns just only for police and military. All they have to do is sell them to civilians now. If the companies refuse to do it gun dealers will. Sort of like how Remington supposedly does not sell its "sniper" models to civilian but any gun store can buy one and sell it to you. (What is the difference between sniper rifle and varmint rifle/hunting rifle? I do not know)

Same thing for magazines

AJ Dual
April 2, 2004, 12:29 PM
My best guess is that the less-PC gun companies will start churning out high-caps, folding stocks, and bayo lugs on 12:01 AM when the law expires. :D

Actually, it'll just be high-caps, since the semi-auto LE only guns that don't violate the NFA in some other way like bbl length or full auto will just switch to normal civilian sales in the catalog like Foreign Devil said.

I do suspect that the more mainstream gun-makers like Colt will wait awhile, and start reintroducing flashiders & highcaps slowly etc. and without fanfare.

Ruger? Forget it. They'll probably keep selling 10 round mags for all thier semi-autos, and 5 rounders for the Mini-14 just to spite their critics, and his kids will want to enshrine the memory of that absolute anti-RKBA jack Bill Ruger. If they do start selling 15 round mags for the P-series autos, it will be very, very quietly.

S&W is a mixed bag, they might do the same, or go the other way and start aggresively marketing civilian high-cap mags ASAP as another part of rehabilitating their image after the disasterous HUD agreement, and the subsequent boycott. The un-PC "in your face" attitude displayed with the new .500 S&W magnums gives me hope.

Glock? That's a wildcard, they led the pack that said "shove it" when the HUD agreement was being pushed, and S&W signed it, but they also kowtow to the LEO contract market. My best guess is they'll sell high-caps quickly, but quietly.

It could be kind of funny, actually. A gunstore could have a "Midnight Madness" sale and sell a whole bunch of "LEO ONLY" marked mags at 12:01 legally, kind of like the music stores do for a popular alblum, or the computer stores do when a new version of Windows comes out. LOL...

Rexrider
April 2, 2004, 12:52 PM
Here is my opinion on this. Keep in mind no one has a crystal ball but here is an educated guess.

Since the ban only really involves cosmetic changes, there should not be any problems with supply. Leo only rifles are still being produced and only minor changes will need to be made to "post-ban" rifles. Its not like manufacturers will need to retool or anything.

Hi-cap magazines are still being manufactured as well (LEO only). All they have to do is not put a date/LEO only stamp on them. Actually, it won't matter if there is a stamp on them.

The gamble for manufacturers is how soon they want to build up the supply of rifles and mags. They can warehouse non post-ban stuff all they want, they just can't sell it until the AWB expires. The problem is they will be stuck with inventory that can only be used for LEO sales if the AWB gets renewed.

I hope production will ramp up as we get close to the expiration date. The closer we get, the less risk to manufacturers being stuck with inventory they can't sell to the general public or will have to modify to meet the AWB requirements (which will cost money if done post production).

I imagine the demand will be higher then supply at first until everything works its way through the supply chain. Don't expect prices to drop too much right out the door. The threat of a new AWB will keep demand high also.

I think where you will find great bargains will be on 'post-ban style' rifles already sitting on the shelf. Demand for those will drop as people will be looking for the....well....the ones we used to be able to buy (the cool thing is you will be able to do anything you want to it).

Also, those who have been sitting on 10 yr old "pre-bans" asking insane prices will take a good hit. The prices will still be higher then 10 yrs ago but they will have to sell them lower then a new manufactured rifle. Remember, supply will still be tight at first but if they are smart, they will try to unload them before supply catches up.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. But remember, none of this means anything if the AWB gets renewed. Be sure to tell your elected officials how you feel about the AWB. This ain't over yet.

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