Comparing Sig DAK trigger to Kahr


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stogiegila
March 10, 2014, 02:22 PM
Does anyone have hands on experience with the Sig DAK trigger as well as the KAHR double action trigger.

I'd like to get some comparisons on trigger weight and length of pull.

I find the Kahr trigger very smooth but long, almost too long. Weighting is fine though.

Sig P239 DA/SA is almost an extreme on both ends. Very heavy DA trigger weight and very light SA trigger weight. The length of pull for each is fine though. However, mine has the SRT trigger so the follow up SA trigger reset is waaaay back so the pull length on follow up shots is very minimal and very light. I'm almost thinking about replacing it with a stock trigger mechanism, but want to give it some more time before finalyzing my decision.

So i'm wondering if the Sig DAK (provided I can find one :rolleyes:) might be just right.

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Hunterdad
March 10, 2014, 02:45 PM
I have a Kahr CM9 and the trigger is very smooth.....long, but very smooth.

CGRifleman
March 10, 2014, 04:36 PM
Sorry to say I don't have experience with the CM9, but I carry the 229 DAK as a duty weapon. The DAK has what my friend calls a gear-shift trigger, meaning it is unreasonably long and stiff. It's doable, but it takes a lot of time and ammo to get used to.
Basically, the DAK was designed as a lawyer-proof gun... you're not going to pull that trigger unless you absolutely mean it.
And $800-900 for one just because DHS uses them is ridiculous.

340PD
March 10, 2014, 05:03 PM
The Kahr is long and smooth as butter all the way to break.

Fishbed77
March 10, 2014, 05:19 PM
I would never choose a SIG DAK trigger over a SIG DA/DA SRT trigger.

9mmepiphany
March 10, 2014, 06:00 PM
In an out of the box factory comparison the Kahr (I've shot the K9, P9, CW9, PM9) will have a longer and lighter trigger stroke. The DAK (220, 226, 229) has (maybe a hair) shorter trigger stroke which is a bit heavier....plus it offers the intermediate (heavier) reset. It is all a matter of leverage and the size of the gun.

The Kahr trigger can be cleaned up to be smoother and the DAK trigger can be given a smoother letoff so that both feel like a tuned revolver

Basically, the DAK was designed as a lawyer-proof gun... you're not going to pull that trigger unless you absolutely mean it.
You might be thinking about the original DAO SIG triggers, the DAK was a vast improvement with it's much smoother trigger stroke...it is also very easy to shoot well

JDGray
March 10, 2014, 06:27 PM
I really like my CW9 trigger...

Hated my DAK! No comparison to the Kahr.

CGRifleman
March 12, 2014, 09:00 AM
You might be thinking about the original DAO SIG triggers, the DAK was a vast improvement with it's much smoother trigger stroke...it is also very easy to shoot well
The one we use is in fact a P229 DAK, but that was just my personal impression of it. I've never used the original DAO trigger so I can't compare.
Also by the time we got the DAK we were already trained with the M9, so most of us were used to something completely different.

stogiegila
March 12, 2014, 10:29 AM
Well it looks like it wontbe something i can purchase without first getting my hands on one

strambo
March 12, 2014, 07:45 PM
I have a Kahr K9 and a P226 DA/SA with Grayguns action job and short reset work. I haven't shot a DAK though. I would rather have even the stock DA/SA over the DAK, and the SRT is even better. Manageable DA 1st shot, then a nice short reset SA until the gunfight is over or you de-cock it for whatever reason.

I do like the Kahr as far as DAO triggers go, light and smooth. I don't like the very light and long reset, makes it easy to short-stroke at speed.

ddc
March 13, 2014, 01:23 AM
I have a Kahr K9 and a P226 DA/SA with Grayguns action job and short reset work. I haven't shot a DAK though. I would rather have even the stock DA/SA over the DAK, and the SRT is even better. Manageable DA 1st shot, then a nice short reset SA until the gunfight is over or you de-cock it for whatever reason.

I do like the Kahr as far as DAO triggers go, light and smooth. I don't like the very light and long reset, makes it easy to short-stroke at speed.

You haven't "shot a DAK though" however you would "rather have even the stock DA/SA over the DAK, and the SRT is even better."

I am curious about how you arrived at your conclusion. Would you mind?

bannockburn
March 13, 2014, 09:47 AM
Have P229 with the SRT and it's very nice; not too heavy, a little stiff, and relatively short in overall travel compared to the traditional DA/SA SIG trigger. The trigger on my PM9 is long but very smooth; easy to develop a revolver-like rhythm when shooting.

9mmepiphany
March 13, 2014, 12:50 PM
Have P229 with the SRT and it's very nice; not too heavy, a little stiff, and relatively short in overall travel compared to the traditional DA/SA SIG trigger.
I'm not picking on you, because I have heard this from more than one person, but could you explain this.

Are you saying that the SRT is shortening the overall trigger stroke over a non-SRT DA/SA SIG trigger stroke?

The SRT is only designed to affect the reset distance of the SA trigger after the initial DA trigger press. It shouldn't have any effect on the takeup at all.

stogiegila
March 13, 2014, 01:01 PM
I was hoping that the DAK would have the smoothness of the Kahr trigger but not be quite as long in travel.

I guess that isn't the case. I'm not thrilled with the heavy DA pull but can manage it and SA is no problem. I was thinking that DAK was the answer but after reading the comments I'm not so sure. They are impossible to find so I can't try one out.

strambo
March 13, 2014, 02:02 PM
You haven't "shot a DAK though" however you would "rather have even the stock DA/SA over the DAK, and the SRT is even better."

I am curious about how you arrived at your conclusion. Would you mind?

My reasoning is that posters who have shot both Kahr and DAK think the Kahr is a lot better and I prefer standard Sig or Beretta DA/SA over the DOA Kahr trigger. With the exception of something like the light pull/short reset Glock trigger, I prefer traditional DA/SA over any DAO option I've tried.

I wouldn't go from a DA/SA SRT trigger to any DAO option myself. I ran the snot out of my DA/SA Sig @ Gunsite and held my own with the 1911s no problem.

The Lone Haranguer
March 13, 2014, 06:37 PM
What I'm going to give you is a very subjective review. I've shot Kahrs and DA/SA SIGs pretty extensively, the DAK only once as a rental. I also let it return all the way forward for every pull and did not try the secondary reset. I have no means of measuring the pull weight.

The DAK is definitely a heavier pull than the Kahr. It also has a definite "roll" as the hammer swings over center and dropped. The length of pull is shorter than the Kahr. The Kahr's trigger pressure is even, with no change all the way through the pull, and then the "break" at the very end is sort of a surprise. When compared to the first DA pull of a DA/SA, the DAK is ~20% shorter.

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