Is the H&K P9 typically more acccurate than average?


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atblis
March 10, 2014, 02:28 PM
Anybody got any experience with the H&K roller lock stuff? Trying to collect odd/quality European 9x19s. Non Browning actions are even more interesting to me. P210 and a P88 are also on the list. Already have a GB.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=399774121

Are these things typically more accurate than the average 9mm?

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Rock185
March 10, 2014, 04:36 PM
atblis, I have owned several P9S in 9MM and .45, in both the standard and Target models. I like them a lot and would say they are very accurate pistols in both calibers. That being said, some of my 9MM P9S were not as reliable as the other accurate 9MMs I've owned. I bought a new Walther P88 years ago, reported to be very accurate, but admit I never shot it. The grip was just too big and poorly shaped for me. The P210s are super accurate. I had the 210-2 fixed sight and 210-6 adjustable sighted versions. I've had other 9MMs that were very accurate for me. These would include the SIG X-5, Browning GP Comp, some very accurate 9MM 1911 types, etc, but have found NO 9MM pistol more accurate than the SIG 210. BTW, the P210s, X-5, Browning GPs, 1911 9MMs, etc, even though most are closely/tightly fitted, they are as reliable as any pistols I've owned with any quality ammunition.

I suspect the P9 as in your GB link, is as accurate as the average P9S. Mine appears unfired and I have not shot it to find out.

Fishbed77
March 10, 2014, 05:23 PM
When you get that P88, be sure to post some photos. I've been looking for a reasonably-priced full-size P88 for years. Perhaps the finest double-stack 9mm ever made.

9mmepiphany
March 10, 2014, 05:24 PM
I've only fire the P9S in 9mm and .45 and both have been very accurate. I have to admit that I got it more for the roller delayed action as much as anything else.

While a P9 might be more rare than a P9S, I think that would be more than offset by the Non-factory grip screws (likely why the grip s cracked) and the after market Millet rear sight.

Don't forget to add a H&K P7 to your collection

chadman
March 11, 2014, 12:40 AM
atblis: I think the P9s is more accurate than most of the other 9's out there, or at least I shoot mine better than most. It's up there with my CZ 75B, and might tie it if I shot it more.

They're a little dirtier after the range, which is true of the P7 and GB you mentioned. All three get dirtier and take a little more time to clean. But, they're all great pistols to have and shoot.

If you get one be sure to check the buffer as if it gets oil or solvent on it they can get ruined. You'll need the buffer, more so if you get the .45.

atblis
March 11, 2014, 08:31 AM
I've taken a few runs at P210s on gunbroker. They've been selling for more than I am willing to pay right now. I seem to be suscpetible to hammer bite, which worries me about them. P7 is on the list too. Already have a sweet preB 75.

chadman
March 11, 2014, 08:51 AM
atblis: With the P9s you won't have to worry about slide bite. The folks at HK back then (maybe now, I'm not current on modern guns they're making), were very comfortable to hold and very well designed. Ergonomics are great.

The P9s, like the P7, is no longer being made. Unlike the P7, HK no longer does routine maintenance or fixes on the P9s. They sold their spares to Numrich. If you have something which needs to be looked at you might get lucky and find someone there willing to have a go at it but it's not certain. I say that because that's what I was told when I called HK to ask about service for the P9s. Mine doesn't need it but I was on the phone with them and it came up so I asked.

Oh, the P9s is mainly for righties if that makes a difference. The grip on the left side has a thumb support which I think would be uncomfortable to a leftie. Other grips may be out there but I've not seen them though I haven't looked.

I've had no problems with either of mine with FMJ. I hear they're not reliable with JHP, but then again they were not designed with JHP in mind.

atblis
March 11, 2014, 09:56 AM
I was talking about hammer bite on the P210.

9mmepiphany
March 11, 2014, 03:56 PM
I was talking about hammer bite on the P210.
All you have to do is add the beavertail

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bc1023
March 11, 2014, 07:16 PM
My P9S Sport model is one of the most accurate 9mms ever built. I'm fortunate enough to own basically all the high end target 9mms built over the years and speak from experience.

The Sport model features the single action only trigger, an extended barrel with weight, and target sights.


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bannockburn
March 12, 2014, 06:57 AM
atblis

I had a P9 in .45 quite a few years ago. Accuracy was on par with a Browning BDA (also in .45), that I had at the time; in other words very, very good. The only thing that held them back was having fixed sights versus utilizing adjustable target sights.

Another interesting semi-auto design, along the lines of the P9 is the Benelli B76.

Nom de Forum
March 12, 2014, 04:40 PM
atblis

I had a P9 in .45 quite a few years ago. Accuracy was on par with a Browning BDA (also in .45), that I had at the time; in other words very, very good. The only thing that held them back was having fixed sights versus utilizing adjustable target sights.

Another interesting semi-auto design, along the lines of the P9 is the Benelli B76.

I agree, the Benelli B76 is an ingenious design and very aesthetically pleasing to the eye. Back 1981 I got to shoot a box of FMJ ammo through one. It shot well but IIRC it was restricted to using FMJ because of feeding issues with HP, etc. Sure wish I had picked one up 33 years ago when they were new. Unfortunately, I was a snobby 1911 .45ACP fanatic back then and treated 9mms as ineffective heretical devices that deceived the naive into thinking they could provide adequate protection :o. We eventually suffer from the mistakes of our youth :(

bc1023
March 12, 2014, 06:55 PM
Another interesting semi-auto design, along the lines of the P9 is the Benelli B76.


The B76 is an excellent pistol and its extremely accurate. They're not easy to find these days though.


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The B76's design culminated into a top of the line target pistol called the MP3S. Unlike the standard B76, the MP3S featured a single action only trigger, an extended barrel with weight, target sights, target grips, and a polished blue finish. These guns are very hard to find, as very few were built and only a small fraction of those were imported into the states.


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bc1023
March 12, 2014, 07:05 PM
When you get that P88, be sure to post some photos. I've been looking for a reasonably-priced full-size P88 for years. Perhaps the finest double-stack 9mm ever made.

The full size P88 is a gem for sure. Its probably my favorite Walther overall.


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As a common theme though, there were also single action target versions called the P88 Competition and P88 Champion. They were only built in small numbers for the European market, so they're very few and far between, especially in the states. The single action P88 variants are the finest pistols Walther ever built, in my opinion. :cool:


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bc1023
March 12, 2014, 07:11 PM
I've taken a few runs at P210s on gunbroker. They've been selling for more than I am willing to pay right now. I seem to be suscpetible to hammer bite, which worries me about them.

Don't be afraid to pick up a German P210 Legend model. They can be bought new for $2000 or so and come equipped with a beavertail. I like the Swiss models better overall, but the Legend is no slouch.

Here's my Legend Target with my P210-1 and P210-6s.


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bc1023
March 12, 2014, 07:19 PM
In a thread about accurate pistols, I'd be foolish not to mention a couple of my other favorites.

The S&W 952 is one of my all time favorite 9mms. I feel its beautiful to look at and it shoots as good as it looks.


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The Pardini GT9 is perhaps the smoothest pistol I own...


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PabloJ
March 12, 2014, 07:29 PM
When you get that P88, be sure to post some photos. I've been looking for a reasonably-priced full-size P88 for years. Perhaps the finest double-stack 9mm ever made.
Why bother when one can get new CZ99 for about $400?
I would say the P88 was among the most overpriced standard production double stack pistols ever made.

bc1023
March 12, 2014, 07:36 PM
Why bother when one can get new CZ99 for about $400.

The CZ99 is sort of a cross between a Walther P88 and Sig P226, but its a far cry from either. Its a good value for the dollar, buts its no P88.


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Pilot
March 13, 2014, 06:19 AM
Wow, some beautiful 9MM pistols there guys. I have always wanted a P9 to go with my P7's. They are different, accurate, and very well made.

bannockburn
March 13, 2014, 06:34 AM
bc1023

Nice collection you've got there along with some great photos of your Nines. Especially love the look of the Pardini GT9.

bc1023
March 13, 2014, 06:05 PM
Thank you sir

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