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OARNGESI
March 11, 2014, 07:31 PM
anyone order one of these http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/colt1911a11930original-bestgrade-1.aspx ?

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Armed 24/7
March 11, 2014, 10:22 PM
The allure of getting a 1930's Colt is tempting, but I have not heard of any reviews.

handloader357
March 11, 2014, 11:53 PM
Damn, why didnt someone tell me about this before I dropped a bunch of money on AR toys today... And that Blackhawk last Friday... My toy fund is depleted! *starts scraping the floorboard for change*

iLikeOldgunsIlikeNewGuns
March 12, 2014, 12:04 AM
There are some reviews on the site,

Great, now I want one

bainter1212
March 12, 2014, 12:06 AM
Crap.

Can't afford this but these are.a bit on the rare side.....the collector in me is screaming "credit card!"

Jim Watson
March 12, 2014, 12:07 AM
"Original condition has little or no blue left"

The 1911 board had a couple of these done in DIY rust blue and they looked quite nice.
But what you get is very worn unless you take the sweatshop refinish, Parkerized I think.

MDI_Weapon
March 12, 2014, 06:14 AM
I saw those the other day and they are very tempting. Another one that is worth a look is this one:
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/colt1911a11930original-bestgrade-1-1-1-1.aspx

Drail
March 12, 2014, 10:10 AM
Save your money. You will almost certainly get to spend some money to bring them back to spec. I have worked on numerous ex-police/military Argentine import 1911s and most of them were pretty sad. Most of them had badly dented breechfaces from years of armory storage on racks with a steel rod shoved up the muzzle. The owners got to lay out cash for a new slide on several of them. Many of these guns may also have had little or no heat treating so the slides were fairly soft. If you can examine one before buying and can cherry pick a good one you might do okay. Buying one sight unseen is like buying a lottery ticket. I love old guns as much as anyone but some of them were rode hard for a very long time.

Tortuga12
March 12, 2014, 10:52 AM
Not a Colt, but this is the Ballester-Molina I got from Sarco. It was "best grade":

http://i.imgur.com/4xD2Pym.jpg?1

No blueing left, and the barrel is pretty worn, but it still shoots well!

agtman
March 12, 2014, 11:13 AM
* * * If you can examine one before buying and can cherry pick a good one you might do okay. Buying one sight unseen is like buying a lottery ticket. I love old guns as much as anyone but some of them were rode hard for a very long time.

Agree, as the SARCO Colts I've seen locally were pretty rough, including some of the so-called high grade ones.

However, the one I picked up isn't a SARCO import. It's a Colt Commerical "Policia De La Capital" model that, as far as I can tell, came back into the country many years ago. Mine sports a lower serial number (1932 make) than the serial-number range for the Commerical 1911s that Colt "officially" shipped to the B.A. capital police per the 1933 contract run - but ironically it has a higher property number stamped on the top of the slide and barrel hood by the captial police than is accounted for in the same records. One source on the 1911Forum indicated that the B.A. capital police, or some authority down there, actually purchased another 2000 or so batch of commercial 1911s from Colt after that initial 1933 contact, which would account for the serial # descrepancies with mine.

My Colt exhibited some nicks & dings on frame and slide, and the top left edge of the rear sight was dented. But, except for the grips, everything else was original. Once cleaned up, the gun was in reasonably decent shape given the level of wear and tear you'd have expected it to have undergone in the hands of various Banana Republic cops since the mid-1930s ... Surely some capital police chiefs, several lieutenants, many sergeants and gatehouse guards, and no doubt a few cattle-prod specialists ... :eek:

The worst thing about it: the previous owner tried to re-blue it and botched the job. The trigger, however, is decent and it shot very nice groups @ 30-feet with ball ammo once the rear sight notch was correctly aligned with the factory mark in front of it. Accuracy was limited by the small sights and, as always, by me, the shooter.

Obligatory pic below. Excuse the grips ... I've since bought period-correct replacements.

Anyhoo, ... as Drail said, if you can see and handle one of the SARCOs before buying, you'll be able to evaluate actual condition vs. asking price.

http://i372.photobucket.com/albums/oo166/agtman/FBCC-3-1.jpg (http://s372.photobucket.com/user/agtman/media/FBCC-3-1.jpg.html)

:cool:

Drail
March 12, 2014, 12:04 PM
Yup. Definitely luck of the draw. Like buying a used car. If you can't check it out or don't know what to look for be very careful. You might get one that was issued to some military officer for years and got little or no use or you might get one that lived on the street or in an armory used for training new recruits. Caveat emptor.

OARNGESI
March 12, 2014, 02:14 PM
Unless I'm wrong i believe there grading system is based solely on the engraving. I was more concerned that these aren't the last batch and the bottom of the barrel as far as these go. I went ahead and ordered there midgrade one hoping for a descent shooter thats worth having reblued.

agtman
March 12, 2014, 08:06 PM
* * * I was more concerned that these aren't the last batch and the bottom of the barrel as far as these go. I went ahead and ordered there midgrade one hoping for a descent shooter thats worth having reblued.

Well, don't get your hopes up.

Just FYI, but SARCO has had these Colts in stock for a long time now and you can be quite sure that all of them - whether in the "high grade," "low grade," or "mid-grade" barrel from which yours will be pulled - have been well-picked over, and your luck at snagging one like you describe is probably slim, though not impossible. Just understand the odds at this late date.

So, yes, your order received, Mr. SARCO will send some fairly disinterested 18-yr old go-for, who you can be certain is no 1911 expert, down the dark corridors of the warehouse to that near-empty barrel marked "mid-grade," where he'll reach down toward the bottom and grab the first Argy 1911 his fingers touch. He won't look twice at it, nor question whether it really merits the designation "mid-grade." :rolleyes:

I know, buddy, ... disappointing but true. If you're an optimist, maybe you'll get lucky but, as suggested, best not to get those hopes too high.

Good luck. :cool:

barnbwt
March 12, 2014, 09:31 PM
Are they really still in stock? I called awhile back about their Hi Power clones, and was told 'we haven't had those in a long time' --on the site they remain to this day :rolleyes:

TCB

surjimmy
March 12, 2014, 10:30 PM
Know a guy from another site, he ordered 6. Said he would have got more out of his money if he had thrown it out the window. He said pure junk.

barnbwt
March 12, 2014, 10:51 PM
Soiled And Rusty COmpany ;)

You want a good value from them, buy & repair a Madsen LMG kit :D

TCB

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