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Ryanxia
March 11, 2014, 08:51 PM
We once again have a chance at getting Constitutional conceal carry in Maine. That's the good news..

The BAD news is that if we don't get it, our whole process of conceal carry will change dramatically for the worse.

Basically, MAJORITY report on LD-222 would eliminate the town's ability to grant conceal carry, instead going through the all might state in one centralized database (bad).

The MINORITY report on LD-222 would make this process optional and just generally be the best thing since sliced bread :) allowing us to become the newest state in Constitutional carry.

So spread the word and contact your state reps asking them to OPPOSE the MAJORITY report on LD-222 and SUPPORT the MINORITY REPORT, the link gives you info on how to find out who your state reps are.
Please folks, let's get this thing done and secure our Freedom, or this time next year we might be registering our magazines like CT is.

http://www.nagr.org/state/take-action/ME.aspx?pid=FL04a

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Devonai
March 12, 2014, 01:06 AM
As a former Maine resident (Thomaston 1987-1994), I wish you the best of luck. I'd rather be there than Connecticut.

Centurian22
March 12, 2014, 01:57 AM
I'm hoping for the best out of this!

Robbins290
March 12, 2014, 04:40 AM
Oh no!

shanebelanger
March 12, 2014, 08:18 AM
Does anyone actually have the text of the bill? I can't find anything on making the process optional. Literally, nothing.

http://legiscan.com/ME/text/LD222/2014

Ryanxia
March 12, 2014, 08:44 AM
Does anyone actually have the text of the bill? I can't find anything on making the process optional. Literally, nothing.

http://legiscan.com/ME/text/LD222/2014
I believe that's the Majority report so there wouldn't be anything in there. I will try to find the actual text of the Minority report and post it here if I can.

Centurian22
March 13, 2014, 02:38 AM
Text on both the majority and minority reports have been assembled here:
http://www.gunownersofmaine.org/Default.aspx?pageId=1537613&mode=PostView&bmi=1516148

Ryanxia
March 13, 2014, 08:42 AM
Thanks Centurian!
Hmm, majority report mandates a new secret database about CCW holders and wants them to set a 'uniform permit process' (not doubt with extra requirements). Doesn't sound good, I like the Minority Report of no permits much better. If you have any friends/family in Maine please let them know about this and ask them to contact their reps.

Reminder: You need to contact your STATE representative & STATE Senator (not Collins, King, Pingree) about this. Wanted to clarify so the right people are getting it.

sonick808
March 13, 2014, 02:20 PM
i want to buy property in Maine in a few years, but regardless of that, GO MAINE!

Ryanxia
March 19, 2014, 04:28 PM
Haven't heard any update yet, they haven't voted on it. Will try to keep everyone posted.
Keep contacting your State representative & State Senator and any friends/family in Maine to let them know to do the same.

Centurian22
March 19, 2014, 10:57 PM
Was supposed to be voted on last Thursday I think but got postponed due to weather. The Gun Owners of Maine page and Facebook page seem to track its progress pretty well. I'm eagerly awaiting results myself.

BH Shooter
March 20, 2014, 12:42 AM
I called SAM and asked about LD222 and was told that there is much more to the story. Mr David Trahan, he had to look for the amendments to the bill. Here are the url to the amendments.

https://blu176.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/ViewOfficePreview.aspx?messageid=9eae92c6-aaec-11e3-98fa-00215ad82040&folderid=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&attindex=0&cp=-1&attdepth=0&n=1838686701

https://blu176.mail.live.com/default.aspx#!/mail/ViewOfficePreview.aspx?messageid=9eae92c6-aaec-11e3-98fa-00215ad82040&folderid=00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001&attindex=1&cp=-1&attdepth=1&n=2066383516

Hope this works, if not call the Sportsmen's Alliance of Maine for more info. Hope this helps.

(Edit) I tried the urls and they worked ford me.

Edster12
March 20, 2014, 07:19 AM
Links work but you need an account and password

BH Shooter
March 20, 2014, 07:50 AM
Sorry about that. I'll try to call SAM and ask where they got the info they sent me.

Chief Engineer
March 22, 2014, 06:32 PM
I know I'm in the Minority, but saving $20 every 4 years, to lose reciprocity with 20 some states is not a good trade off to Me.

I have had a permit to carry since 1978, it is neither hard nor expensive to acquire or keep.

Ryanxia
March 24, 2014, 12:17 PM
I know I'm in the Minority, but saving $20 every 4 years, to lose reciprocity with 20 some states is not a good trade off to Me.

I have had a permit to carry since 1978, it is neither hard nor expensive to acquire or keep.
It has nothing to do with the cost, you shouldn't have extra requirements for a Constitutional Right. Also, you're probably going to go through NH and MA to get to those other states, neither of which recognize Maine, so most travelers get other states permits as well. The main thing is stopping this trend of turning our Rights into privileges. There's not much requirements on CCW in Maine right now but who knows when they add to those requirements, which will likely be now if the Majority Bill of LD222 passes.

Chief Engineer
March 25, 2014, 08:28 AM
So when did NH stop recognizing Maine? It must have occurred after I sent them a photocopy and some Money to get a non-resident permit.
I still stand where I am. I still think winding up like VT., which is limited to it's own borders, is not an upgrade in Rights.

Ryanxia
March 25, 2014, 08:59 AM
If you had to get a non-resident NH permit that means they don't recognize Maine. It's extremely easy to get the NH permit especially if you have one in your home state already (Maine in this case) but if they recognized it then you wouldn't have to get a non-resident in their state.

So according to this map http://handgunlaw.us/states/maine.pdf if you were to travel to Kentucky they recognize Maine CCW so you wouldn't have to do anything extra to visit their state conceal carrying. Just have your Maine permit with you.

In any case, to each their own. Hopefully you agree though that the majority report of this Bill, making the state police the only ones allowed to issue and likely adding more requirements and requiring a tracking database on permit holders is not a step in the right direction.

Chief Engineer
March 25, 2014, 09:07 AM
It's obvious to me you are confusing reconization with reciprocity. They are two totally different things. You are saying recognize, when you mean reciprocate.

Ryanxia
March 25, 2014, 09:16 AM
It's obvious to me you are confusing reconization with reciprocity. They are two totally different things. You are saying recognize, when you mean reciprocate.
My apologies, you are correct. I was speaking in terms of reciprocate.

Chief Engineer
March 25, 2014, 10:10 AM
In which case you are absolutely correct.

As i'm sure you are aware, the most Gun Friendly States in this Great Country require a certain amount of training to carry.

The issue with Maine as I see it, like myself at one time, a person could just go to the town office and in 5 minutes could leave with a permit.
On it's face, this sounds pretty good, and it was. In reality it has cost us reciprocity with many more states, including rabid gun friendly States, because our training does not meet theirs.

My town turned the carry issue over to the State a few years ago. I had to go that route last time I renewed. There was nothing to it. No fingerprints, extended background checks ect. We are, and I have no doubt will in the future (think recent court rulings) be a shall issue state.

If all Mainers were on the same page, we would actually see a gain. No more 4473's to fill out, reciprocity with I believe 35 states.

CC sounds like a wonderful thing on its face, but the only gain as I see it, is for the people who come to visit, then leave. On the downside, we will lose all the states we presently have reciprocity and reconization with, and will never be able to just set a card on the counter to buy a firearm without the paper work.

Unless things change on the National Level, CC just doesn't make me all warm and fuzzy.

Ryanxia
March 25, 2014, 10:45 AM
What do you mean in the part where you say 'No more 4473's to fill out' ?

I definitely see your point of view, but being as I spend most of my time in Maine, I'd rather have less restrictions here than in other states I never go to. And the more states that get Constitutional Carry that's how we get the reciprocate part back in my opinion.

Chief Engineer
March 25, 2014, 10:52 AM
Wasn't thinking clearly. In Some States the dealer does not have to call in for a background check, because the feds figure the background check has already been done.

Chief Engineer
March 25, 2014, 10:55 AM
What do you mean in the part where you say 'No more 4473's to fill out' ?

I definitely see your point of view, but being as I spend most of my time in Maine, I'd rather have less restrictions here than in other states I never go to. And the more states that get Constitutional Carry that's how we get the reciprocate part back in my opinion.
And I see your point, but I have Children and relatives scattered all over the country, and would like to see even more reciprocity.

Ryanxia
March 25, 2014, 11:15 AM
And I see your point, but I have Children and relatives scattered all over the country, and would like to see even more reciprocity.
I would as well, but not by raising requirements here in Maine, but by helping Americans in other states to do away with their unconstitutional requirements. If it meant going through the same hoops here as they do in Chicago to get my CCW just to have reciprocity with IL I would not want that, I would rather work to lessen their burden. Some are willing to give up a little more, some are not.

Edster12
March 26, 2014, 06:38 AM
What Chief Engineer mentioned about not having to do 4473's is correct there is such a thing called the "Brady alternative".
Not sure what all the requirements for our CCW permit to qualify are. But there are States where they fill in your CCW permit number on the 4473 form and that is it. No phone call to NICS or nothing!!!!

Here is a list of States in regards to this.

http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-5-31st-editiion/permanent-brady-permit-chart.pdf

http://www.atf.gov/content/firearms/firearms-industry/permanent-brady-permit-chart

Ryanxia
March 26, 2014, 09:36 AM
What Chief Engineer mentioned about not having to do 4473's is correct there is such a thing called the "Brady alternative".
Not sure what all the requirements for our CCW permit to qualify are. But there are States where they fill in your CCW permit number on the 4473 form and that is it. No phone call to NICS or nothing!!!!

Here is a list of States in regards to this.

http://www.atf.gov/files/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-5-31st-editiion/permanent-brady-permit-chart.pdf

http://www.atf.gov/content/firearms/firearms-industry/permanent-brady-permit-chart
Thanks Edster but Maine is not one of those states and there is nothing to indicate that would be the case.

I actually wouldn't even want my CCW # tied to every firearm I purchased so I would still fill out a 4473 if given the option in that situation.

Ryanxia
March 29, 2014, 10:31 AM
UPDATE: The Constitutional Carry part was shot down, now we simply have to ask our representatives to OPPOSE LD 222 that gives the State Police more power, more authority, more regulation and a secret database to go along with it. Very troubling. Apparently not being able to "track" those citizens with conceal carry permits is hindering them... From what I wonder?

Also, it's time to contact Governor LePage and ask him to VETO LD 222 if it reaches his desk. He has always supported gun owners in the past, even has his own CCW. :)

Contact Governor LePage http://www.maine.gov/governor/lepage/citizen_services/ideas-suggestions.shtml

Link to the latest news article.
http://bangordailynews.com/2014/03/27/politics/significant-reforms-to-concealed-weapon-permitting-passes-maine-house/

Ryanxia
March 29, 2014, 10:39 AM
My letter to Governor LePage.

I am writing to urge you to VETO LD 222 that would allow the Maine State Police to create a secret database on gun owners. This "overhaul" as they call it will do nothing but strip local authority and give more power, more authority, and form of registration to the State Police.

If LD 222 reaches your desk PLEASE VETO and continue to protect the Rights of Maine citizens as you have in the past.

Edster12
April 1, 2014, 12:50 PM
more regulation and a secret database to go along with it.


I'm confused. How can you say that the Data base is secret when it's creation, maintenance, and prohibitions for used are laid out in the law.

Ryanxia
April 1, 2014, 12:58 PM
I'm confused. How can you say that the Data base is secret when it's creation, maintenance, and prohibitions for used are laid out in the law.
I believe it was stated that this database would be accessible only to law enforcement. So regardless of what they're told to do this database could include anything since we can't access it. On the other side of that, we don't want a public database of CCW holders (now illegal in Maine anyway) so the whole thing in my opinion needs to go away.

theautobahn
April 1, 2014, 04:43 PM
Nevermind. :)

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