Wolf killed by pellet gun


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d2wing
March 14, 2014, 11:25 PM
In today's news, a wolf was found dead along Lake Superior in Minnesota. An autopsy was done and a pellet from a pellet gun was found that caused death.
It penetrated between ribs, if it hit a rib it would have been stopped presumably.
Since it is legal on Tribal land where it was found, to drive a wolf off, it is presumed that someone shot it with a pellet gun to chase it away. I don't think anyone would attempt to kill a wolf with a pellet gun, but be careful what you shoot, even with a pellet gun.
The wolf may have had a radio collar, it had crossed the ice from Isle Royal.
A gun safety reminder too. Fluke kills happen. Do not point even a pellet gun at something you do not want to kill.

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barnbwt
March 14, 2014, 11:29 PM
Lots of pellet guns nearing/exceeding 22LR levels --be careful out there.

TCB

WestKentucky
March 14, 2014, 11:29 PM
My first kill with a break barrel pellet gun supposedly shooting 1100fps was a rabbit at 30 yds. Headshot. Broke the skull into multiple pieces and ejected bits of bone in all directions. Quite messy. Pellet guns are stronger than 22s in some cases.

climbnjump
March 14, 2014, 11:33 PM
Link. (http://www.twincities.com/news/ci_25345491/pellet-gun-killed-wolf-that-fled-isle-royale)

In case anyone wanted to see a news report on the issue.

Liberty1776
March 14, 2014, 11:34 PM
Our Outdoor News this week also had a conservation officer report on a deer found that was also killed with a pellet. They are certainly not toys...

Grumulkin
March 15, 2014, 06:40 AM
I'm aquainted with two instances in which a person was trying to scare a deer off with a pellet gun and killed it.

paintballdude902
March 15, 2014, 08:29 AM
a few times per year it makes it on the news about a person that was put in the hospital or killed by a pellet gun. what makes a deer or wolf so much different?

raa-7
March 15, 2014, 09:48 AM
Todays pellet rifles are pretty damn powerful. A person could easily get killed by one for sure. I just cant see trying to "scare" off an animal with a pellet rifle with a direct hit. A person could fire one off without the pellet and it sounds just like a .22 lr . As for a deer , shooting one with a pellet gun or bb gun,, it would be cruelty to animals and a nice long prison term.

Eb1
March 15, 2014, 10:02 AM
Can't wait to get my Discovery with a TKO surpresser. Not asnrefinednasnthe Maurer, but not as heavy, and can hand pumped fairly easily to 2000 psi.

.22 cal PCP pellet guns get up close to 30 lbs muzzle energy.

4v50 Gary
March 15, 2014, 11:08 AM
Years ago an old woman who lived by Eagle Lake (CA) wanted to chase the pesky deer out of her garden. She shot it with a pellet gun. It walked away and died. Punctured lung. Opps.

JohnKSa
March 15, 2014, 02:28 PM
I ran in to an elderly man in the sporting goods department of a store many years ago. We were both looking at the firearms section and there happened to be a fairly nice pellet gun for sale. The conversation turned to pellet guns and he mentioned ruefully that he had accidentally killed a large dog with a pellet gun in the past. Meaning to chase it away, he swung the gun at the running dog as it passed by him and pulled the trigger, hoping to "sting it". Instead it ran awhile farther and piled up. Like the wolf, it had taken a pellet through the ribs which killed it.

Pellet guns can be lethal, no question about it.

Double Naught Spy
March 15, 2014, 02:34 PM
Another bear incident in Oregon, young bear...
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/12/oregon_man_shoots_bear_in_his.html

MedWheeler
March 16, 2014, 02:34 PM
When I was in high school, another student was killed with one. Happened over a weekend; two boys were involved in a dispute. One came to the other's house, and was shot in the chest in the doorway. Not sure what the intent of the shooter was in shooting the other youth with what was reported at the time to be a "BB gun."

The victim collapsed shortly after uttering "you shot me!" The BB had pierced the heart.

This was in 1982 or 1983, in Riviera Beach, Florida.

Onward Allusion
March 16, 2014, 07:15 PM
Darn straight pellet guns can kill. However, even the heaviest 22 Cal pellets out of uber air rifles will not generally exceed the energy of a 22LR. I think the heaviest 22 pellet is 32gr. Muzzle velocity out of a high-end hunting air rifle will run around 1,000fps with a heavy pellet.

Like the lowly 25ACP proves, all it takes is 60-something lbs to kill and a lot less with a lucky shot.

Cooldill
March 16, 2014, 07:37 PM
I could see how the person wanted to use a pellet rifle to scare off the wolf. He probably underestimated the power they can produce or simply didn't think it would kill, but I doubt they wanted to kill the wolf. I for one wouldn't unless it was was attacking me. Or if it was getting my livestock, and even then they are such beautiful animals I would feel bad :(

Yes today's air rifles can be very powerful and lethal and should be treated accordingly.

Mastrogiacomo
March 16, 2014, 08:21 PM
I hate to read about any animal being killed senselessly, especially wolves. They're so beautiful. It's always important to treat all weapons with respect. Those that seem the most harmless are the easiest ones to misuse. :(

Muskyman
March 16, 2014, 09:23 PM
That's too bad. I was just reading about the Isle Royal wolves a couple weeks ago and wondering what would become of that particular one.

Hawk 3/21
March 17, 2014, 09:00 AM
When I was in high school, another student was killed with one. Happened over a weekend; two boys were involved in a dispute. One came to the other's house, and was shot in the chest in the doorway. Not sure what the intent of the shooter was in shooting the other youth with what was reported at the time to be a "BB gun."

The victim collapsed shortly after uttering "you shot me!" The BB had pierced the heart.

This was in 1982 or 1983, in Riviera Beach, Florida.

30 yrs in or around Riviera beach, lots of crazy stories begin or end I mmen Riviera beach. ie, the child that took grandmas suv for a ride and hit dozens(?) of cars.

I still keep my old 10 pump bb/pellet gun for these situations. Squirrels made small holes in the screened porch, they come in & drink from our rain catching buckets we water our plants with. The little buggers are always tearing up our pots either burying or digging up acorns. My girl loves them and squirrel stew has been forbidden. With one pump & a bb instead of a pellet, hitting them on the ass is pretty safe. It doesn't penetrate at all, the sound is probably scarier for them. 2 pumps for larger critters.

If I tried that with my disco, we could line up 10 squirrels deep & it would probably go through all of them. I had to rebuild my target/pellet trap 3 times before the pellts stopped the going straight through it.

Hawk 3/21
March 17, 2014, 09:13 AM
I hate to read about any animal being killed senselessly, especially wolves. They're so beautiful. It's always important to treat all weapons with respect. Those that seem the most harmless are the easiest ones to misuse. :(

Senseless? I share you sentiment in general, but you've read a lot into the story with no info. Idiots abound who talk about the majesty of predators & how they should be reintroduced, from the safety of their condos & high rises. Just not in their city/backyard. If (& we have no idea if this is applicable) that wolf is stalking my 5yr olds school bus stop, I'm going to kill it asap. NYC had wolves that were pushed out by the invasion of humans, why not reintroduce them there? No, not happening through the eastern seaboard, I'm sure Cali had plenty of cougars.....well they've just exchanged the type of cougars there.

Anyway, I share your sentiment, but please be careful indicting acts as senseless without good intell. The person may well have been an ass, or protecting his/her family.

mike28w
March 18, 2014, 12:23 AM
Not a lot of fans of the wolf here in Idaho....They have decimated the elk and moose and are now focusing on deer and livestock.

Luckily ,since they've started hunting them, they've become a lot more wary of humans.

I saw a 90lb wolf ( not particularly large) that had already been skinned out. It was way too long to lay out on a full size pickup tailgate ( not counting the tail). Very lanky, no fat, amazingly well muscled neck and jaw. Large jaw, large canine teeth.

I had always just assumed that it was basically just a lanky dog....but it is very different. I don't actively hunt them, but I do buy a wolf tag every year.......

deadin
March 18, 2014, 03:57 PM
At what point do they stop being "pellets"?
Check out some of the Sam Yang PCP air rifles. They come in .357, .45 and .50 calibers. The big .50 throws a 225 gr "pellet" at just under 700fps. The .45 does a 200gr. at 730 fps. That's .45 ACP power......

d2wing
March 18, 2014, 06:50 PM
I for one have no sympathy for the wolf. Since they have been allowed to multiply the Moose here are nearly wiped out and deer populations are way down in some areas. They also have killed a lot of livestock as they kill for fun. If all the wolves were gone, I would not miss them.

mike28w
March 18, 2014, 10:36 PM
Assuming that the wolf was shot with a more common pellet gun.....

How close would the wolf had to have been to the gun for the pellet to penetrate as it did ??

Admittedly , the pellet didn't hit bone , but it still would have needed to penetrate the fur,the skin,an unknown amount of intra-rib muscle ( called intercostal muscle) as well as the pleura and still have the energy to puncture lung....

I'm thinking that this wolf must have been quite close. Probably damn scary for the shooter !!

Deltaboy
March 18, 2014, 11:03 PM
I killed several possums with an Benigman 177 air rifle using some hard home made tire weight pellets. At 10 to 15 feet it dropped them dead .

IMO these new hi power ones are not kids toys .

MuffinMaster
March 19, 2014, 02:30 PM
45 cal 200gr HP @ 730 fps should kill your average rodent maybe even a "RUS" (rodents of unusual size)

http://www.pyramydair.com/s/m/Sam_Yang_Big_Bore_909S/516#Specifications

TeaCoffee.Guy
March 19, 2014, 06:05 PM
I wonder how much more power the "compressed nitrogen" pellet guns will have compared to the ordinary pellet guns. Anybody know?

MuffinMaster
March 19, 2014, 07:57 PM
Springer ----- 1600+ fps .177
http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_guns/Air_rifles/Spring_piston/152/vel_1600_0T1650_0

Gas Piston----- 1500+fps .177
http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_guns/Air_rifles/Gas_spring/372/vel_1500_0T1500_0

PCP------- 1450+fps .177
http://www.pyramydair.com/a/Air_guns/Air_rifles/Precharged_pneumatic_PCP/155/vel_1450_0T1450_0

About the same I think.

JohnKSa
March 19, 2014, 11:41 PM
Cocking effort is ultimately the limiting factor in the spring-piston guns, whether the springs are metal or compressed gas.

Mr. Farknocker
March 22, 2014, 02:25 AM
When i was a child many years ago, a kid in my neighborhood killed his own brother with an accidental shot to the heart with a pellet gun. Treat these pellet guns the same as you would any firearm.

Palehorseman
March 23, 2014, 02:14 PM
Yep, and for even more noise and power, Forget to clean a drop or two of oil from the bore, when fired, the oil will diesel ignite, makes nice smoke rings too.

Ben86
March 23, 2014, 07:47 PM
Today's mid-high end pellet guns are impressively powerful weapons and should not be used to just "scare something off." Especially the gas piston and pre-charged pneumatics.

For a "scare away gun" a variable pump BB rifle would be more appropriate.

"I wonder how much more power the "compressed nitrogen" pellet guns will have compared to the ordinary pellet guns. Anybody know?"

They aren't really so much more powerful, but more consistent and have a more pleasant recoil signature.

UKRsoldier
July 30, 2014, 09:30 PM
I hope you don't mean that any .177 or .22 pellet gun is near or exceeding 22LR level, because my Gamo Big Cat 1400 shoots .177 pellets at 1400fps and is one of the most powerful rifles in that caliber and it's still 10 times less powerful, at 20 ft-lbs at the muzzle, than my 22LR rifle with Aguila Supermax 30 grain rounds shooting at 1750fps and 204 ft-lbs at the muzzle...

.357 and .50 caliber PCP pellet guns? Sure..

UKRsoldier
July 30, 2014, 09:33 PM
Only the .357 and .50 caliber air rifles are near 22LR in power. Those are truly high end guns, though... A 22LR is still 10 times more powerful than 99% of the affordable pellet guns.

Deltaboy
July 30, 2014, 09:40 PM
I warn my HS students that today's pellet guns they are getting at Wal-Mart ARE NOT TOYS!!!!

4v50 Gary
August 1, 2014, 04:31 PM
Decades ago the same thing happened to a doe in Lassen County. Some old lady wanted to chase away the doe from her flowers and shot it with a pellet gun. Punctured the lungs. The doe walked off and died.

BLB68
August 4, 2014, 01:45 AM
Fatal shooting of a human male with a Daisy Powerline 860:

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140131/NEWS01/140139770

Not exactly a high end rifle, but still proved lethal.

Pete D.
August 4, 2014, 06:19 AM
No .22 air rifles approach the .22lr in terms of power. Even subsonic .22lr cartridges produce about 100 ft.lbs. ME.
About the larger PCPs. I have a Sam Yang in .45 caliber. It does not shoot a 200 grain bullet at 730 fps......
Actual chrono'd data is a .457" lead round ball (144 grains iirc) at 704 fps. Quite accurate.
A 200 grain LSWC swaged to .458" at 603fps. Also accurate.
Powerful yes but no 1911.
Power is in the 160 ft.lb area for both.
Pete

rule303
August 4, 2014, 02:23 PM
Wolves are great, majestic creatures. Until you need to live in an area with an unnaturally large population of them. It is not unheard of (not that I agree with it) for farmers to shoot them with pellet guns, or gut shoot them with a .22 so they will die a long ways off from where they were shot.

kBob
August 5, 2014, 09:13 AM
Currently the first requirement for the BSA rifle shooting Merit badge is to explain why airguns should be treated exactly like rifles........

-kBob

Tactical Lever
September 9, 2014, 02:32 AM
Todays pellet rifles are pretty damn powerful. A person could easily get killed by one for sure. I just cant see trying to "scare" off an animal with a pellet rifle with a direct hit. A person could fire one off without the pellet and it sounds just like a .22 lr . As for a deer , shooting one with a pellet gun or bb gun,, it would be cruelty to animals and a nice long prison term.
That will wreck a nice spring piston gun, they need a pellet (a lead one!) to slow down the piston to a level where it is not destructive to the gun.

Tactical Lever
September 9, 2014, 02:33 AM
Yep, and for even more noise and power, Forget to clean a drop or two of oil from the bore, when fired, the oil will diesel ignite, makes nice smoke rings too.
The dieseling is also hard on a gun.

Tactical Lever
September 9, 2014, 02:42 AM
Assuming that the wolf was shot with a more common pellet gun.....

How close would the wolf had to have been to the gun for the pellet to penetrate as it did ??

Admittedly , the pellet didn't hit bone , but it still would have needed to penetrate the fur,the skin,an unknown amount of intra-rib muscle ( called intercostal muscle) as well as the pleura and still have the energy to puncture lung....

I'm thinking that this wolf must have been quite close. Probably damn scary for the shooter !!

I'm guessing it wasn't a big bore air rifle, as they probably wouldn't have used diabolo pellets and thus would not have identified it as a "pellet" rifle.

g.willikers
September 10, 2014, 01:33 PM
Pig hunt with an air rifle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juiHFT_9TaI

MikieG
September 15, 2014, 10:22 AM
Firstly, these claims of 1400fps from companies like Gamo are false. The numbers are founded using ultra light alloy pellets. These pellets are just like dry firing your gun. And the accuracy is horrid.
Put a REAL pellet, a lead pellet in that gun and velocity will be nowhere near that. Couple that with break in spring set and you will find that the guns struggle to run 1000fps. Two weeks ago a buddy brought out his new Ruger Airhawk magnum. Exactly as predicted. With lead it lost 300 fps down to 1100 from advertised velocity. After just one shooting session of 200 shots, that gun was running 850ish. The spring had broke in and set.
Airgun and compound bow mfg use the same deceptive techniques to sell their crap. Folks never know because very few own a chronograph.
Secondly, anything hard with mass fliying at any reasonable speed will devastate meat and bone. The daisey red ryder at 280fps has taken plenty a kid to the hospital and pet to the vet.
Airguns are indeed very real threats. I laugh at the ignorance of the powder burning crowd. Their mentality is that they out grew airguns years ago.
Fact of the matter is, if you can shoot a spring airgun well, you will look like a master with a powder burner. This rule however, is far from true in the reverse.
I have every confidence in my R1. If i ever needed to feed myself and do it undetected, the airgun will take care of me. Think of how small and light weight 500 or 1000 pellets are.

stressed
September 15, 2014, 10:33 AM
Darn straight pellet guns can kill. However, even the heaviest 22 Cal pellets out of uber air rifles will not generally exceed the energy of a 22LR. I think the heaviest 22 pellet is 32gr. Muzzle velocity out of a high-end hunting air rifle will run around 1,000fps with a heavy pellet.

Like the lowly 25ACP proves, all it takes is 60-something lbs to kill and a lot less with a lucky shot.
4 ft lbs kills..

I've dispatched many a trapped rabbit with .22 colibri from a Taurus M94 snubnose. 20 grains at 300 fps is 4 ft lbs.. Enters the skulls and kills them instantly every time complete with exits at times.

Arkansas Paul
September 15, 2014, 12:35 PM
As for a deer , shooting one with a pellet gun or bb gun,, it would be cruelty to animals and a nice long prison term.

As overcrowded as prisons are today if you think someone is going to get a long prison term for shooting a deer with a BB gun you are delusional. It's not even possible according to Florida statute where you live.

Here is the Florida statute on it.
The possible jail term is UP TO one year in county jail.
The crime is the same classification as loitering, DWI, hot checks under $150, reckless driving and trespassing.

828.12 Cruelty to animals.
(1) A person who unnecessarily overloads, overdrives, torments, deprives of necessary sustenance or shelter, or unnecessarily mutilates, or kills any animal, or causes the same to be done, or carries in or upon any vehicle, or otherwise, any animal in a cruel or inhumane manner, commits animal cruelty, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or by a fine of not more than $5,000, or both.

If abuse is excessive and repeated it CAN be classified as a 3rd degree felony which in theory can carry up to 5 years in prison.

But trust someone who works in the field, shooting a deer with a BB gun aint getting someone prison time. The way it is now, shooting a person with a BB gun wouldn't necessarily guarantee jail time let alone prison time. It blows my mind to see what crimes just get probation and a fine these days. I see it every single day.

ChaoSS
October 31, 2014, 09:26 AM
I know this is a little old but there are .22 pellet rifles that break the 100 ft/lbs mark, especially when modified with custom valves and such.

Either way, my .22 pellet rifle is much less powerful than the more expensive pcps, and I would guess a direct head shot would penetrate my skull. I wouldn't want to rely on it for self defense but it's far from a toy.

Palehorseman
November 1, 2014, 11:11 PM
WY is no place to start off about being a wolf lover, in a bar, it could be hazardous to one's health.

Trent
November 1, 2014, 11:41 PM
An unknown neighbor (presumably the little kid across the street who got a BB gun for Christmas in 2013) shot our cat.

http://i.imgur.com/juqgQCxh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/s41Myhsh.jpg

Didn't kill him but cost me a pretty penny getting him x-rayd, antibiotic treatment, etc.

Berger.Fan222
November 1, 2014, 11:48 PM
I've got a classic Beeman 17 cal air rifle that shoots 8 grain pellets at about 500 fps. I guess it is possible one could penetrate and kill a wolf or a deer, but highly unlikely. A few years back, some kids borrowed it and reported that the pellets bounced off of the squirrels they shot at close range. Sure, there may be a 1 in 100 chance of a fluke kill scaring a deer out of the garden or a wolf away from the livestock, but I think such actions would be legally regarded as a freak accident from a legitimate attempt to apply a non-lethal deterrent.

A deer has a better chance to die in a car accident, a snake bite, getting hit by lightning, or eaten by a shark than to die from a pellet from the vast majority of pellet guns in American homes.

JohnKSa
November 1, 2014, 11:53 PM
I've got a classic Beeman 17 cal air rifle that shoots 8 grain pellets at about 500 fps.Pellets guns that shoot .22caliber pellets at 1000fps or177 caliber pellets at speeds approaching 1400fps are now widely and inexpensively available.

Here's one that comes with a scope and illuminator and still has an MSRP under $300.

http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?product=Varmint%20Hunter%20HP&productID=386

Here's one that comes with a scope and has an MSRP under $500. The manufacturer claims 1650fps with lead-free pellets.

http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?product=Hunter%20Extreme%20SE&productID=463

Grmlin
November 1, 2014, 11:55 PM
Just this year a young Marine was hit by a pellet while driving up the highway from Cherry Point. A fraction in either direction and hr could have either lost his life or been paralyzed. As it is he had to leave the Corps because of were the pellet is logged. Two of the teenagers are being charged as adults the other three as juveniles. It is a sobering thought, this is the same road my wife and I used to travel to work for years.

jmorris
November 2, 2014, 12:19 AM
I have pushed a 14.3 g 22 cal pellet to over 2100 fps, 133 ft/lb of energy. Does more damage to 1/8" steel than a .22lr will.

Just because it's a pellet doesn't mean it has no power.

Berger.Fan222
November 2, 2014, 01:45 AM
I have pushed a 14.3 g 22 cal pellet to over 2100 fps, 133 ft/lb of energy. Does more damage to 1/8" steel than a .22lr will.

Just because it's a pellet doesn't mean it has no power.

Sure, but you're probably launching them from a 22 LR with blanks or nail gun cartridges. With enough power behind it, 14 grain pellets can do real damage.

Certainly, all air rifles need due respect regarding the gun safety rules and not pointing them at humans. But the odds of a lethal hit on wild animals at pellet velocities below 800 fps are very low.

If the goal is scaring away wolfs in the livestock or varmints in the garden, then low velocity air rifles can be expected to do the job with very small risk of lethality.

JohnKSa
November 2, 2014, 01:34 PM
If the goal is scaring away wolfs in the livestock or varmints in the garden, then low velocity air rifles can be expected to do the job with very small risk of lethality.I strongly disagree with the use of any metallic projectile airgun as a deterrent.

It is true that lower powered airguns are unlikely to be lethal on a decent sized animal, however that doesn't, in my opinion, equate to being a humane solution as a non-lethal deterrent. Even a lower powered airgun can cause significant penetration, certainly enough to cause a serious and/or permanent injury depending on the variables involved.

Metallic projectile airguns have a lot of legitimate uses, but in my opinion, using them to scare off animals by shooting them is not one of them.

Berger.Fan222
November 2, 2014, 02:56 PM
Metallic projectile airguns have a lot of legitimate uses, but in my opinion, using them to scare off animals by shooting them is not one of them.

And that is absolutely your decision to make if it is YOUR livestock or YOUR crops at risk. I hope you would not be judgmental on someone making a different decision to protect THEIR livestock or THEIR crops.

Certainly in cases where lethal force is justified, I would have a hard time objecting to application of force that is most likely to be non-lethal.

JohnKSa
November 3, 2014, 12:34 AM
And that is absolutely your decision to make if it is YOUR livestock or YOUR crops at risk. I hope you would not be judgmental on someone making a different decision to protect THEIR livestock or THEIR crops.Actually, I would. I would have no problem whatsoever with these hypothetical persons using lethal means to protect their livestock or crops from depredating animals but in my opinion, it is inhumane to intentionally wound an animal by shooting it with a metallic projectile airgun--just as it would be to intentionally wound an animal by attempting to inflict a non-lethal wound with a firearm.Certainly in cases where lethal force is justified, I would have a hard time objecting to application of force that is most likely to be non-lethal.I would have no problem with applying non-lethal force that didn't have a high potential for causing serious injury or permanent wounds in a situation like that, but in my opinion, metallic projectile airguns have no legitimate place as a non-lethal deterrent for the simple reason that they are likely to cause a serious injury to the animal.

It's one thing to attempt to kill an animal that is causing property damage, it's another thing entirely to intentionally send it running with a hole in it that is unlikely to kill it but certain to cause extended suffering.

Intentional wounding is not an ethical deterrent in my opinion. Non-lethal deterrent methods should be chosen so that they have a very low potential for causing actual injury. If no such means can be reasonably applied it is, in my opinion, far more humane to simply kill the animal.

fpgt72
November 3, 2014, 07:35 AM
So many ways to go with this. FPS sells air guns, and most humans buy them from wally world and not PA, or Arizona.

Second, while yes that 1400fps with alloy pellets will not hit paper at 10 yards, put a nice heavy pellet in there, slow that sucker down to the upper 900's and it shoots very nice and very accurate. Something most Gamo bashers don't understand. They are actually good guns, most say made in Spain on them, unlike half of your cork sniffing brands that come from china.

If you want to scare away a critter get a red rider. Here the deer are so tame, I could hit them in the side with a thrown ice cube and they still would just wonder out of ice cube range. Red Rider I can arc that pellet quite a distance....and even if you never hit it, the sound of it hitting the ground will generally spook them.

Generally once you get to 9mm they are not pellets any longer they are bullets. So there is that.

No 22 air rifle will come close to 22lr in power....not yet anyway, and if it does you run into that problem with pellets not being shaped to give good accurate results once you start getting them up to super sonic levels. And I think we are a ways off from an air gun tossing a 40grain pellet as sub sonic levels. It will happen sure, but not for a while....and who knows what the culture will be at that time.

As to the kitty, personally I hate cats....but I would be knocking on your neighbors door, unless you are not controlling your animal and it is pooping in their flower box. One thing I hate more then shooting a pet is irresponsible pet owners, and that includes cat people, you want to let it run wild at night because it is a "cat" well guess what if it is in my chickens and killing my livestock it is getting a bullet in its head pet or not. Be a responsible pet owner.

jmorris
November 3, 2014, 09:50 AM
If you want to scare away a critter get a red rider.
You'll shoot it's eye out.;)

Master Blaster
November 3, 2014, 02:17 PM
Wow there are some folks on here that scare me with their comments regarding the use of airguns. All I will say is this, children learn by watching their parents, that includes safe handling of firearms or pellet guns. While an adult may be able to successfully handle the responsibility of how to properly use an air-gun and may understand the difference between a "Real Gun" and a pellet gun, a child may not be so skilled. Please be careful of the example you set.

http://abclocal.go.com/story?section=news/local&id=8942960

http://www.wptv.com/news/region-c-palm-beach-county/west-palm-beach/pbso-boy-accidentally-shoots-friend-in-head-with-pellet-gun-in-acreage

"Neighbors in the Tollhouse community cannot believe a pellet gun could be capable of killing a child.

Deputies at the scene confirmed that the boy was shot with a pellet gun at close range, and the projectile traveled right into his chest."

http://www.kmph-kfre.com/story/20509395/10-year-old-boy-killed-by-pellet-gun

raubvogel
November 3, 2014, 08:06 PM
This site (http://www.topairgun.com/animals-131-200-lbs-air-rifles) claims the larger caliber pellet rifles can go through a piece of 2" douglas fir. More on his discussion is in http://www.topairgun.com/faq

fpgt72
November 4, 2014, 07:34 AM
There is no doubt that a pellet gun can KILL a person, no doubt in my mind at all.

They are a great way to start teaching your kids about safety, and one shot into that 2x4 is usually enough to show them the power of the average walmart air gun.

Same rules apply it is a gun, one reason I hate the airsoft world so much....teaches all the wrong lessons....ALL OF THEM....

I really think if someone shot at me during an airsoft "game" I would go just nutz.

ChaoSS
November 7, 2014, 12:07 AM
And that is absolutely your decision to make if it is YOUR livestock or YOUR crops at risk. I hope you would not be judgmental on someone making a different decision to protect THEIR livestock or THEIR crops.

Certainly in cases where lethal force is justified, I would have a hard time objecting to application of force that is most likely to be non-lethal.

I certainly would. If lethal force is justified, then use lethal force. If lethal force is not justified, paintballs from a slingshot do wonders for running off nuisance animals that you don't want to kill.


BTW, an 8 grain pellet moving at 500 fps will not bounce off of a squirrel. It may very well bounce off of the wooden branch that you hit when you missed the squirrel.

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