Scope on M4


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.338Sako
March 15, 2014, 12:25 AM
Quick question guys, I have scoured the internet and this forum looking for answers. I just bought my first M4 and wanted to add a scope to it. I am looking at the Nikon P-223 scope (fixed 3 power) with the p-223 mount. here's my question; with the scope mounted so low will the front sight on the M4 distort the optics view in any way? Any help would be grateful. It appears from pictures I have seen that the scope is looking directly at the front sight.

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rcmodel
March 15, 2014, 01:12 AM
No.

A scope, or any other magnified optic has a minimum focal distance where something very close to it is not in focus enough to be seen.

You might see a faint 'ghost image' of the front sight in certain lighting.
But not enough to be a distraction.

rc

.338Sako
March 15, 2014, 01:16 AM
Thanks RC, have seen a lot of your post on here.

greyling22
March 15, 2014, 11:27 AM
some people post a lot, but don't say much worth reading. RC is generally gold.

matrem
March 15, 2014, 06:54 PM
Yes, he is generally gold.

I've owned, "put together", and scoped several M4s for myself, as well as for other folks, and M4 sight posts are not an issue.

There are, however, folks with eyes better than mine are now, that claim that the front sight post is a bit of a hindrance to precision shooting.

I didn't notice that even when my eyes were 20/15, but I'll not dismiss what they're saying.

.338Sako
March 16, 2014, 01:06 AM
thanks all, I hade a gun show in the area today. I shouldered several M4's today with the same configurations with no issue. I can order now with no reservations... Thanks again.

ForumSurfer
March 19, 2014, 06:23 PM
I was never much of an ar guy. I recently ditched my carbine handguards, shaved the front sight post, added a leupold mark ar 1.5-4x, added Troy rifle length rails and I'm enjoying it much more. So much more that I burned up my 1k "just because" stash in one weekend. Now I find myself wanting to try 2 gun matches and wanting to take a carbine course.

Before it was standard carbine with free float carbine rails and now:
196316

I should've bought one like this to start with :)

dprice3844444
March 19, 2014, 07:11 PM
http://www.amazon.com/NcStar-Weaver-4-Inch-Riser-MARF/dp/B003NTHFUS/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1395266933&sr=8-7&keywords=ar-15+adapters

try something like this or higher rings

TheCracker
March 20, 2014, 08:37 PM
First it's not a M4 unless it's full auto.
Second, at 3 power you should not be able to see the front sight post at all. At least you can't see the post on on my bros 1-4 when it's set at 4 power.

.338Sako
March 20, 2014, 10:00 PM
First it's not a M4 unless it's full auto.
Second, at 3 power you should not be able to see the front sight post at all. At least you can't see the post on on my bros 1-4 when it's set at 4 power.
I guess someone should call a little arms manufacturer named "Colt" and tell them they are stamping M4 on a semi auto.

Cooldill
March 21, 2014, 12:04 AM
First it's not a M4 unless it's full auto.
Second, at 3 power you should not be able to see the front sight post at all. At least you can't see the post on on my bros 1-4 when it's set at 4 power.

First of all, the M4 does NOT have full-auto capabilities. It does however have a three-round burst option.

The M4A1 on the other hand, does have full-auto capabilities.

The OP does NOT own an M4 rifle. He simply has a Colt manufactured AR-15 variant of whatever designation that I'm assuming shares the same lower with the .mil M4 rifles.

That in no way shape or form means the rifle is actually an M4, and it should not be referred to as that. For starters I'm pretty sure the OP doesn't have a 14.5" barrel or burst fire capability, among several other notable differences. No matter how much he wishes it so, he does not own an M4 and probably never will.

TheCracker
March 21, 2014, 11:02 PM
I guess someone should call a little arms manufacturer named "Colt" and tell them they are stamping M4 on a semi auto.


Yeh, just BC they stamp it doesn't make it so. Anyway, sorry if I come off as persnickety about it. I just get tired of hearing the mall ninjas claim they have m4's. Too many hours playing mw3. I'm a gamer btw.

That's cool that they stamped m4 or use the same lower receiver minus the selector switch. But it's not a true m4. Looks like a marketing trick to me

Anyhow, nice rifle and I think you will like the Nikon scope.

.338Sako
March 21, 2014, 11:29 PM
No problem Cracker, M4 is easier to type than Colt Tactical Carbine. I am hardly the mall ninja though; not saying you were implying.:)

ForumSurfer
March 21, 2014, 11:33 PM
Ok I'm a little jealous. I'm running a BCM upper on a bushmaster lower. Although I feel that there's nothing to be gained between the bushy and colt lowers (assuming both are within spec), that little prancing pony would be purdy beside my 70 series pony or 80 series rail gun. :)

If you haven't bought the scope yet, give the 1.5 to 4x some thought. Even though it's not true 1x, it isn't difficult to shoot on the move with both eyes open. It's a nice option.

I have the 223 mount and it's been solid through 2k rounds. I don't like that it isn't quick release and I wish it had a little more forward mount to it, but I have zero complaints.

I test drove the leupold and Nikon options, both seemed like winners to me.

Add a bravo company sopmod stock or magpul ACS stock and it's very comfortable with that cheek weld without adding too much weight to a carbine length rifle, just my opinion of course. Plus you can store spare ear plugs, cleaning supplies, dummy rounds, batteries, skittles, one round Barney fife style or whatever you want in there. :)

Honestly though, if I was shooting 100-200 rounds per session, pretty much any stock would be fine.

.338Sako
March 22, 2014, 12:38 AM
I did go with a 1x-4x scope. I mounted it tonight.

ForumSurfer
March 22, 2014, 01:18 AM
I did go with a 1x-4x scope. I mounted it tonight.


Nice. I'm thrilled with my 1-4 after trying aimpoints, eotech's and magnifiers. Nothing wrong with those but the 1-4 suits me.

Thoughts on the mount? Like I said, I'd like a little more forward mount, some hardware to remove it fast in case of failure and maybe even a little lower mount...but not enough to spend another dime "upgrading" from the 223 mount.

TheCracker
March 24, 2014, 09:55 PM
Nice. I'm thrilled with my 1-4 after trying aimpoints, eotech's and magnifiers. Nothing wrong with those but the 1-4 suits me.

Thoughts on the mount? Like I said, I'd like a little more forward mount, some hardware to remove it fast in case of failure and maybe even a little lower mount...but not enough to spend another dime "upgrading" from the 223 mount.


Burris PEPR mount with quick detach! Exactly what you need. They even have extra ring tops that have picayiny rails so you could put a micro red dot or even a flashlight on top.

ForumSurfer
March 25, 2014, 09:28 AM
Burris PEPR mount with quick detach! Exactly what you need. They even have extra ring tops that have picayiny rails so you could put a micro red dot or even a flashlight on top.

I compared the two. The PEPR and the m223 are the same centerline height. The larue looks lower, but it is the same height as well. Those rails on top of the pepr are WAY up there, I'd rather run an offset mount and tilt the rifle since I don't have a giraffe neck. :) I've been trying to decide between dueck sights or a fast fire in an offset mount for a usable backup sight. The dueck setup is pricey.

I was going to attach a funny giraffe picture. A quick google image search for "giraffe neck rifle" yielded the oddest results...

sugerwater
April 15, 2014, 07:56 PM
My 1x4 Leupold shows a slight shadow at 1x, nothing but scope after 1x's. Your GTG with the Nikon.

AlliedArmory
April 17, 2014, 06:45 AM
You will not really see the FSP with any magnified optic. At the most you will see a tiny blur if you really try looking for it.

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