Buying with a Gun Trust


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giggitygiggity
April 3, 2014, 01:51 AM
Can I still buy guns using a trust? I know there was some talk a while back about Obama using his executive power to prevent us from buying suppressors and machineguns through trusts. Has this been enacted? I am planning to buy a few suppressors in the near future and want to do so using my trust, if possible. Thanks.

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Theohazard
April 3, 2014, 02:56 AM
Nothing has changed. During all the panic regarding Obama's executive action, I decided to pretty much ignore all the speculation until something solid actually came of it. From what I hear, it's all been put off for at least a year. I can't tell you what will happen in the future, but I do know that nothing has changed at the moment and trusts still work the same way they always did.

Aaron Baker
April 3, 2014, 08:56 AM
Nothing has changed with trusts yet. And the proposed changes would not have eliminated the use of trusts.

The proposed changes would have increased the amount of paperwork required with trusts in an attempt to make the process more similar to the paperwork that individuals had to do. Trusts currently have to submit less paperwork (no fingerprints, no CLEO signoff, no photographs).

Nothing has happened yet, and when and if it does, it won't be the death of NFA trusts.

Aaron

dprice3844444
April 3, 2014, 08:59 AM
trusts eliminate back round checks.they want names and prints done on all listed in the trusts

wally
April 3, 2014, 12:19 PM
trusts eliminate back round checks

Anti lies and propaganda. You've done the background check when you buy the lower for your form 1 SBR. and your dealer does the 4473 when you pick up your form 4 item.

Its not like the BATFE couldn't do the NICS check sometime during the 10-13 months it takes for them to God knows what they do to approve it.

medalguy
April 3, 2014, 01:30 PM
I've never understood why, after waiting 12 months for a FBI presumably intensive background investigation, I have to undergo another check in the form of a NICS check when I pick up my toy. Seems like just harassment and a time waste.

Theohazard
April 3, 2014, 01:44 PM
I've never understood why, after waiting 12 months for a FBI presumably intensive background investigation, I have to undergo another check in the form of a NICS check when I pick up my toy.
Because, as far as I know, they're not actually doing a background check, at least not when you go the trust route.

At the LGS where I used to work, I once asked the person who processed our NFA paperwork if he had ever seen a denial on an NFA item. He said, no, not in the entire six years he'd been doing it. Now, considering that every shop gets a certain number of denials for firearms purchases due to a failed (or botched) background check, you'd think they'd also get some denials for NFA items.

We operated almost solely with trusts due to our area CLEOs refusing to sign off, so I don't know if it's the same with sign-offs. But I also realized that with trusts, they probably don't have enough personal information to even perform a background check: All the ATF gets is the Form 4s that have the trust's name and address on it, and then they have a copy of the trust with the person's name on it. So, if they were going to do a background check, all they have is a name and the trust's address. That doesn't seem to be enough information to do a proper background check, especially if the person's name is something like "John Michael Smith".

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