Disappointing holster


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ohbythebay
April 11, 2014, 12:07 AM
It sucks being new at this...like any hobby I am subject to the mistakes we make early on.

I bought a paddle holster for my Bersa 380. In a word, it sucks. It was cheap, you get what you pay for. why does it suck ? It is so tight you cant draw the gun, it is not adjustable and I know the hard plastic would mar the gun.

Its one of the most common advertised - A Forbus (see picture)

Can anyone recommend similar that
1) Is adjustable of not so tight
2) Lined ? So its not a wear on the gun finish
3) Not super expensive

I saw a Bianchi leather, but $80 ? Maybe that's what I have to spend...sigh

This is the not for me holster

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTQ3WDUxNg==/z/PmYAAMXQeKNTOHWJ/$_12.JPG

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9mmepiphany
April 11, 2014, 12:39 AM
I guess I've just been lucky, I have 6-8 of the Fobus paddle holsters and they've all provided me with good service for what they are. My most often carried one is one I use with my Springfield Armory EMP...yup, $1k gun in a $20 holster

It is so tight you cant draw the gun, it is not adjustable and I know the hard plastic would mar the gun.
I'm going to guess you didn't read the directions. The easiest way to draw from the holster is to put in on and apply inward pressure as you draw

Their Evolution line does offer tension adjustment.

In polymer holsters, I usually use Blade-tec or Comp-tac...but they are going to run about $60

ohbythebay
April 11, 2014, 01:01 AM
I'll give that a try....

I do have my eye on a few "pricier" options....

http://stonerholsters.com/Concealed-Carry-Options/owb-holsters/stoner-leather-paddle-holster

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=1128079&SID=tfc_-_13_33_140410_e02e657b8fc197ea7b199e97e3a0b7be%3A0000&CJ=1&cjaffilid=1609763&cjaffsite=TheFind.com&cjadv=CJTSGUSA&cjadvid=1522857&utm_source=TheFind.com&utm_medium=CJ&utm_campaign=SPG+Product+Catalog+-+SportsmansGuide.com

http://holsterfinder.safariland.com/HolsterSeries/Details/10230

JTQ
April 11, 2014, 07:57 AM
Does it need to be a paddle holster? There are a lot of parts and technology tied up in a paddle that typically runs the cost up. You can typically get a regular belt holster for less than the equivalent paddle design.

Here is some lined kydex, though they will all be over $80. They do have a paddle option.

Garrett Industries http://www.giholsters.com

Here are a couple of the better paddle holsters. You can see how much they run.

High Noon "Speedy Spanky" http://www.highnoonholsters.com/Product_Line/_Speedy_Spanky/_speedy_spanky.html

Kramer "MSP" http://www.kramerleather.com/productDetail.cfm?productID=17&categoryID=25

If it is easy on/easy off you want, you may be better served by the snap on/snap off designs rather than a paddle.

Alessi has one of the originators of the design in the "CQC-S" http://www.alessigunholsters.com/cqc-s-1/

There are a few makers with a similar design that cost less

Mitch Rosen Express Line "Premier" (you can often find them at Brownell's) http://www.mitchrosen.com/products/express-line/

Lobo Gun Leather "Snap Loop Pancake" http://www.lobogunleather.com/4_1-sl_pancake_snap-loop

By the way, every holster will wear the finish of your pistol.

9mmepiphany
April 11, 2014, 12:31 PM
By the way, every holster will wear the finish of your pistol.
This is true.

It has been my experience that Kydex will wear faster and then stop, leather will continue to wear as long as you use it

Bovice
April 11, 2014, 12:55 PM
If you constantly worry about your gun's finish, you'll never really use it the way it was intended. Guns can be refinished just like a car can be repainted (although the process is different). Undue damage from neglect or abuse is never good. But using it properly will cause some wear. It'll all be ok. :)

cpt-t
April 11, 2014, 01:07 PM
ohbytheway: I am sorry you are having trouble. But IMHO, I really like FOBUS holsters. I have several, one for each of my CCG`s,and carry one every day. I have yet to notice any ware marks on any of my guns caused by the FOBUS holister, I carry it in. I use the OSWB style holster. Also Your gun will remain in place with out shakeing loose from running or taking a bad fall. Or at least mine has for me.
ken

JTQ
April 11, 2014, 01:13 PM
9mmepiphany wrote,
It has been my experience that Kydex will wear faster and then stop, leather will continue to wear as long as you use it
My experience as well.
Bovice wrote,
If you constantly worry about your gun's finish, you'll never really use it the way it was intended. Guns can be refinished just like a car can be repainted
I agree.

I always like this picture of Tiger McKee's 1911.

http://shootrite.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/1911-modifications/

I wonder if he's ever had it refinished, or if he is going to? I'm pretty sure he likes the way it works, and the way it looks is probably secondary. However, chances are good he probably likes the way it looks too.

By the way, I think Tiger McKee is using a snap on/snap off kydex holster. The Aholster Shootrite Training holster. Though I don't think it is available for your gun.

http://shop.aholster.com/product.sc;jsessionid=59E689732F5312D80B85BE2F56468123.m1plqscsfapp04?productId=7&categoryId=1

beees
April 11, 2014, 02:11 PM
I did same thing too tight with my G27.Spent two weeks trying to spread it with screwdrivers punches and etc. Finally drilled out the top washer which loosened it up. Wore out my Ted Blocker after 20years it's showing the wear
Bought a "sneaky Pete"and very happy with it so far:

spaniel
April 14, 2014, 08:37 PM
If you want Kydex check out Blade-tech; I own several and they are quality, and adjustable.

I always figure on paying $60-80 for a holster. Cheap crap is more expensive in the end than buying right the first time.

ohbythebay
April 14, 2014, 08:41 PM
I am not going to cheap out on the holster. I have a nice one for my Glock. I am now looking at bianchi leather for the Bersa....

xjsnake
April 14, 2014, 09:21 PM
I have the same gun and the same holster for it. Zero issues. It does need straight upwards draw, if you draw the gun out just a little bit it will hang up a bit. Just need to practice more with it and use a solid belt so the holster doesn't flex with the gun as much on the draw.

slickone
April 14, 2014, 09:41 PM
I really like this holster. I have the Professional model. The most comfortable holster I have worn.
https://n82tactical.com/store

futurerider103
April 14, 2014, 10:15 PM
I have 2 crossbreed supertuck one for my SIG 226 and one for my S&W M&P Shield. Very comfortable. I've noticed on the Shield that there is some wear on the takedown lever but nowhere else and honestly it rubs off so it might just be coming off of the leather onto my gun. $75 but well with it off you are going to carry all day.
It wears so well I don't even notice the heavy 226 is on my hip

hartcreek
April 14, 2014, 11:13 PM
I prefer Michaels of Oregon not that plastic crap. The fabric holsters will streatch to fit your specific gun IF you take your gun in and make sure that it fits the holster.

Do this in a Cabellas and they will wet themselves.....at Bimart or your LGS as long as you clear the weapon infront of them you should have no problem.

CMC
April 15, 2014, 04:17 PM
Wild Bill Has the paddle for 59 dollars
http://www.wildbillsconcealment.com/fusion_paddle.htm

ohbythebay
April 15, 2014, 05:03 PM
I think I have locked down on some but I am checking that out....

The one I mentioned is a no go no matter what. You get the gun in where it should go, it does NOT come out without two hands and a struggle.

Not like my Glock holster that has a small lock slide that you touch and the gun pops out smooth...

shootman
April 16, 2014, 03:55 AM
Fobus has great instructions in the package and on their website. Everyone that has issues with their holsters fails to RTFM!

Here is what they write at http://Fobus.com

How to use:

1. Tighten your belt

2. Place the holster on your hip and make sure the paddle is pushed all the way down on your belt.

3. Draw fast and decisive, in an upwards motion as if you were in a real critical situation.

4. The holster also offers an adjustment screw for a more accurate retention pressure and personal preference

5. A silicone spray can be used at the holster's trigger guard area, to lower the level of retention.





Watch their video on how to break in a Fobus holster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBcrSlfV02A&list=UUlJa6IRzVbNapSerQE1hFtA

I'm a big fan and own several Fobus Holsters and Mag Pouches. They have amazing customer support and a facebook page that will answer any questions!


If all else fails RTFM!

ohbythebay
April 16, 2014, 09:28 AM
I appreciate your information so don't take this post as an "attitude"..I am just saying...

I am not a stupid guy. The holster I have does not have ANY adjustment at all. All connections are pop rivets. If I wear it as designed, and even added a belt I could not get the gun out of the holster with one hand without ripping my own pants off.

The holster is just not made right. Getting the gun IN is an extreme effort and once in, it is stuck. So bad that a few times when I tried I thought I was going to have to cut it apart. Not to mention what it does to the gun finish.

If you look at the picture I provided you will note the recessed trigger area. Getting it down there is where you want to be. Getting there is VERY VERY difficult and once there, it is trapped.

Bottom line, I do not recommend this model. (Factory New in Package, Fobus Paddle Holster for Bersa Thunder 380 and Firestorm 380 pistols - model BS2.)

Maybe other adjustable models are great, this one just doesn't cut it. I hjave already purchased a new Bianchi leather holster that will works and wont scratch the gun ...Thanks again

EDIT: BTW ..I watched the video - I WISH mine worked like that...see how he slips the gun in ? Yeah...I wish. For me, I have to hold the bottom of the holster and PUSH with all my strength to get in all the way in...

JR47
April 16, 2014, 05:25 PM
We bought my step-daughter a Fobus Paddle for her Bersa Deluxe .380. She's never had an issue with it in five years.

You may have a mis-labled holster, or simply a defective holster. Did you ever contact Fobus?

Hometeached1
April 16, 2014, 08:22 PM
Check out TAKtical. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=737450
I received a holster and mag carrier that I ordered from him the other day and both are very nice. He is also a very good person to do business with.

Field Tester
April 17, 2014, 09:32 PM
OP,
What model number did you buy? Is it possible you bought the wrong one?

ohbythebay
April 17, 2014, 10:35 PM
since you asked..this is the one I bought that doesn't work...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/400686666263?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

RetiredUSNChief
April 17, 2014, 10:52 PM
On the finish of your gun:

Ultimately, your gun is a tool. Unless you bought it for the express purpose of having a collector's item or for an investment for a future resale, then quit worrying about normal wear and tear.

Your gun already has some visible wear attributed to the first shootings you did with it. Sliding your magazines in and out caused wear marks. And carrying your gun will cause wear marks. These aren't "damage", nor do they interfere with the operation of your gun.

If you like, think of them as "character marks".

You can always have your gun refinished a couple decades down the road, if you wish...but even so, it will STILL be a tool and show wear over the years of use afterwards.

I have lots of other tools, be they wrenches, saws, clamps, or whatever. And they're all in pretty darn good shape. But though I clean them when I put them away, my nice Craftsman wrenches show the wear and tear of normal use over the years. I don't panic or get upset because this is "normal".

ohbythebay
April 17, 2014, 11:45 PM
I appreciate your point of view (duck, here comes the boom)

1) As I said from the start, it is defective. No one seems to get it. Its a 2 pound gun trying to fit a 1lb holster (not actual weight - just saying)

2) Maybe you treat your stuff like crap and call it character - I don't. I treat them as they should be treated and if they develop wear from normal use, that's fine, but I don't go out of my way to abuse anything I own (except maybe the lawnmower) :D

I have at least 800 to 1000 rounds through the Bersa with no marks EXCEPT from the damn holster. My Glock with about 500 rounds - no marks yet.

I don't use my craftsman tools as hammers (unless its a Craftsman Hammer) and every mechanic of any caliber I worked with in my 54 years took care of their tools, wiped them down, had their own spot in their toolboxes.

And since you are retired Navy (and my son is on the Nimitz) I thought it was standard SOP to take care of your tools, account for every one and every one has a place. So your post comes as a surprise.

Okay, with that said, I respect your opinion, but that's just not how I roll and any wear I have will be from use, not abuse. Thanks and thanks for serving our country

RetiredUSNChief
April 18, 2014, 10:24 AM
@ ohbythebay:

- If you carry your gun in a holster, you WILL get wear marks regardless of how well it fits the holster.

- If you have put 800-1000 rounds through your gun, then it DOES have wear marks from it. It doesn't take much of an inspection to find them either, but your slide and frame WILL show them.

- If your holster is defective, then this is another matter. But any wear marks you may have obtained from that are still just that...wear marks. Perhaps they could have been avoided, but they're not debilitating. No more so than a stock which is scratched or a gun whose finish is worn or nicked due to a minor incident in handling. Certainly a cause for a groan or a facepalm, but not much more. This is not to say that I do not understand the anguish or anger one may feel over such...I most certainly do.

- Using wrenches for something they're not designed for isn't what I implied.

- Taking care of tools should be SOP for everybody, Navy or otherwise. But that still does not mean they will not sustain minor blemishes over the course of their life, even under the best of circumstances. And the more it's used, the more wear it will show.


That said, I wouldn't call what you're dealing with "abuse", "neglect", or anything else that implies deliberate, poor handling and care. I'd simply call it a learning experience where your gun sustained some visible wear and tear sooner than it might otherwise have and move on from there.


As a side note, I'm interested in the pros and cons of ANY holster, and I have a thread I started on that not too long ago. I wouldn't mind you posting your experiences on this holster there, as a continuation of such experiences for people to read about.

I'll also be interested in hearing what you get for a replacement. I'm looking for a replacement IWB for my Colt 1991A1 and I'm always interested in other people's experience with other brands/styles of holsters.

:)

ohbythebay
April 18, 2014, 10:54 AM
I am glad you didn't take the post personal (as it was not mean that way)..just two guys in a room sharing their views...LOL

As to the holster, be glad to do a review...just don't know if its defective or wrong sized (it shouldn't be). It is a cheap ass holster...LOL

I actually bought TWO replacements (shown below) and will gladly do a review on them ...thanks again...

Small holster 1
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0077S0WH4/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

And I got an awesome deal on this one from ebay (used) which I am hoping becomes my main holster

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151274675073?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Rob

RetiredUSNChief
April 18, 2014, 11:48 AM
Awesome!

Here's the string I was talking about:

"Holsters and Carry Methods: pros and cons"

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=742067

I'm looking forward to seeing what you think!

9mmepiphany
April 18, 2014, 12:18 PM
I actually bought TWO replacements (shown below) and will gladly do a review on them ...thanks again...

And I got an awesome deal on this one from ebay (used) which I am hoping becomes my main holster

http://www.ebay.com/itm/151274675073?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Rob
Examine and try this holster very closely before using it for defensive carry.

The safety strap goes over the backstrap and under the rear tang. This prevents the user from gaining a secure grip on the gun while drawing it.

This isn't just an observation, I've used similar holsters through the process of filling my holster drawer :uhoh: I think my last one was a Bianchi #3 Paddle holster

deadeye dick
April 18, 2014, 05:03 PM
I bought a Forbus a few years ago (paddle also) Didn't have the gun with me at the time. I bought it from the info. on the package. The weapon is a Taurus Millenium PT111 9MM NOT the Millenium PRO and the package was mislabeled. I returned it and they fitted it to a holster for a Barretta. It fit just fine. Also I think it's made in Isreal. Can't think of a better place to buy anything military.:)

ohbythebay
April 18, 2014, 06:34 PM
The Bianchi arrived today...beautiful - except...IT DOESN:T FIT ! I think the Bersa 380 may just be a tad bigger than others.

The gun goes in and out very nicely, snug fit and its only the strap that doesn't quite reach. It seems to be where the trigger guard stops at the holster, the guard sticks out about 1/4" and will go no further.

Translate that since it can't go further the strap going over the tang and trying to reach the snap. it doesn't quite reach. Hmmm...

That is not the issue with the Forbus (obviously) and I am thinking the BEST way to buy a holster is IN PERSON...LOL.

Haven't given up on the Bianchi..It is currently going through a STRETCH...will report back..:banghead:

JTQ
April 18, 2014, 07:00 PM
That is not the issue with the Forbus (obviously) and I am thinking the BEST way to buy a holster is IN PERSON...LOL.
Or a holster specifically made for your gun, rather than one designed to fit several guns.

ohbythebay
April 18, 2014, 07:20 PM
The Forbus was supposed to be.

The Bianchi is ALMOST there...it is being stretched (the strap) and another 1/16th " to go, she will be golden. I like it ! Would like to get that type for my Glock (I have a safariland that fits perfect so no pressing need).

I am just a leather guy...LOL

smalls
April 19, 2014, 04:44 AM
I saw a Bianchi leather, but $80 ? Maybe that's what I have to spend...sigh

A good holster is extremely important. You wouldn't put $50 tires on your brand spankin new Corvette, would you? I wouldn't, so I sprang the few extra bucks for a good gun belt and a few good holsters (IWB, OWB and a shoulder rig). A good carry rig is about weapon retention and hauling said weapon around as comfortable as possible, as well as durability and usefulness.

JRWhit
April 19, 2014, 08:31 AM
I have 2 crossbreed supertuck one for my SIG 226 and one for my S&W M&P Shield. Very comfortable. I've noticed on the Shield that there is some wear on the takedown lever but nowhere else and honestly it rubs off so it might just be coming off of the leather onto my gun. $75 but well with it off you are going to carry all day.
It wears so well I don't even notice the heavy 226 is on my hip

+1 for the crossbreed. Very comfortable, have seen very little marking. The mini tuck is hard to notice when worn, lifetime warranty.

The Bianchi arrived today...beautiful - except...IT DOESN:T FIT !
You seem to have a pattern developing.
Please don't take this as an insult, but are you sure there is not a model variance being missed here?

JRWhit
April 19, 2014, 08:36 AM
Some of the thunder series are thinner than others.

JTQ
April 19, 2014, 12:19 PM
JRWhit wrote,
You seem to have a pattern developing.
Please don't take this as an insult, but are you sure there is not a model variance being missed here?

Some of the thunder series are thinner than others.
Another option is to buy one good, quality, holster rather than rolling the dice on a handful of inexpensive holsters.

ohbythebay
April 19, 2014, 12:25 PM
And if there is a variance, its in the holsters, not the gun. I have a Standard Bersa Thunder 380. Its not the CC model nor the combat. So if you purchase a holster that says its for that model, you expect it to fit.

Good news is, the Bianchi fits. I just had to stretch the strap. (it did not say it was made for the thunder, it was just generic 380)

so I am good! PICTURES

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10173653_847663261915804_6810107129724248491_n.jpg

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/1505397_847663041915826_220402051940554580_n.jpg

Wont be a quick draw due to the strap and flicking the safety, but that is not an issue. I do have another one coming (open top) that would be but I am not ever in that situation.

JTQ
April 19, 2014, 12:44 PM
I'm not much of a thumb break guy, but aren't they supposed to ride behind the hammer on a DA gun?

I believe your's is positioned incorrectly, which may be why you had to do some stretching.

ohbythebay
April 19, 2014, 01:01 PM
You may be correct ...but doesn't align very well..(strap pulled in an odd direction) but I believe you are right..it just doesn't seem to fit right that way (ask my wife...lol) she agrees with behind the tang..BUT behind the hammer makes sense...

You guys have to confuse me don't you ? :D

ohbythebay
April 19, 2014, 01:08 PM
Not as astetically pleasing but a HELL of a lot safer..lol..no chance of the hammer getting 'flicked'...would that be Bersa Leg ? LOL

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/983643_847676188581178_5873327890666808610_n.jpg

JTQ
April 19, 2014, 01:15 PM
In the second picture there is a lot less twist to the strap than you show in the first pair of pictures. I believe behind the hammer is correct.

ohbythebay
April 19, 2014, 01:29 PM
appreciate the help and interest....

shootman
April 20, 2014, 09:23 AM
Check with Fobus and see if there are fit issues with your pistol and this holster model

ohbythebay
April 20, 2014, 09:50 AM
Not for me..I have moved on. But for other purchasers...

This (again) is what I purchased
http://www.ebay.com/itm/400686666263?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

There is no way in hell this is made for a Bersa Thunder 380. Its not the length, its the width. WAY too small. It literally takes both hands shoving to get the gun in (one on the bottom pushing, one on top on the gun pushing). Once there, getting it out is next to impossible. Literally to the point of fearing you may have to cut it off.

I should send it to them just so they can see for themselves, maybe get a refund or a new holster...

I like my new leather one better though anyway...:D

JRWhit
April 20, 2014, 11:21 AM
Good news is, the Bianchi fits
Good deal. Love a happy ending.

giggitygiggity
April 20, 2014, 02:22 PM
My standard holsters are the Blackhawk SERPA holsters. They lock the pistols in tight, but drawing is super fast and smooth and natural. The only downside is that they are not good for concealment.

RainDodger
April 22, 2014, 01:44 PM
I second CMC's recommendation for Wild Bill's Concealment. I have 4 of his paddle holsters. My first was purchased in the mid 1990s and the paddle is an egg-shaped piece of leather that forms perfectly to your hip. There's a strip of additional leather sewn across the paddle to retain it under your belt. VERY comfortable. If I were ordering a holster, I would pay extra for that.

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