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shooter.45
April 4, 2004, 02:38 PM
Well I did it finally bought the GSR it has began to grow on me. So the other day my dealer had one and bought it pick it up tomorrow. Cant wait. Does anyone else have one of these beauty's and how do they like it. I will add it to my small collection of 1911's I am sure it will fit it just fine... :D

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agony
April 4, 2004, 04:13 PM
AS a certified SIGnut, I looked forward to the GSR. I planned on waiting until other features were added , such as an ambisafety, nightsights, etc.

However, I started thinking that maybe, when production goes completely in-house, that the quality might drop, as it happened with Kimber.

So I jumped on the one my dealer got last week.


It shoots beautifully, though the trigger at first was a bit mushy. After two days of shooting and dryfire, it has smoothened considerably.


Great pistol!

harpethriver
April 5, 2004, 03:32 PM
shooter.45/agony-what other full size 1911 .45's can you compare the Sig GSR to? I have a Para P-14 Ltd. with 14 rd. mag capacity. I'm thinking of selling the Para and buying the Sig. Other than mushy trigger, any problems so far? Faulure to feed/eject? Fit and finish? Quirks? Accuracy?

shooter.45
April 5, 2004, 03:42 PM
harpethriver

I just picked it up today and will get to shoot it this weekend. I have a WWII Springfield and a S&W 1911 which I love and shoots great. So we will see how this puppy shoots. I will let you know and take some pics this weekend..

45R
April 5, 2004, 04:09 PM
I'm waiting for the 9mm version to come out! :) Sig presented a prototype at the Shotshow. :)

shooter.45
April 5, 2004, 04:24 PM
I'm waiting for the 9mm version to come out! Sig presented a prototype at the Shotshow.

Really is this serious. Oh man Now I am going to have to save up for this..
:( will it ever end

W Turner
April 5, 2004, 06:13 PM
Lose the rail and make in a Commander configuration and I may finally have the first Sig I can get excited about.


Mino

harpethriver
April 5, 2004, 06:34 PM
I'm really anxious to hear accuracy results. I've read some amazing out of the box results. Can't wait to hear from someone who actually paid for one.

agony
April 5, 2004, 11:20 PM
harpethriver,
I only fired 400 rounds through mine this weekend over two days. It's dead-nuts accurate. Off the bench, I was able to keep it within 2" at 25 yards with 185gr JSWC accuracy loads. Off-hand at 10 yards I was able to keep them all within 2", using the 185gr and 230gr FMJ handloads. Even with Walmart whitebox 230gr ball, I was able to keep 5-shot groups within the same 2" at 10 yards.

No FTEject, FTFire, FTExtract, FTFeed. None (other than a couple dozen really light loads that couldn't move the recoil spring. Simply dropping in a lighter # spring would most likely do the job.

The safety lever is smooth without the staging I've experienced with outher safety levers.

The trigger has become crisp as mentioned, though I would like it even more if it were a couple pounds lighter....3.5# pull would be perfect.

The fit is perfect. No slide/frame play, no barrel hood movement with applied pressure. There are some machine marks on the right side of my frame, near the beavertail attachment. The inside of the slide has a few marks too, but it appears that the inner portions forward of the breechface were hand polished at the factory, along with the high portions of the locking lugs.

The checkering on the grips is a little too sharp for me.

The 'hump' in the middle of the grip safety is a little too big for my grip, and makes it fit a little less than perfect compared to my Kimber.

The sights are dead on, as they apparently were sighted in at factory.

The mag release ejects the mags with consistent umph.

The barrel collar is very tight.

The strap serrations are subtle, but effective. The lack of front cocking serrations is a bonus.

The rail doesn't bother me, in fact I think it looks kinda cool.

I love this pistol.

My other SIGs are getting envious.

harpethriver
April 6, 2004, 11:03 AM
Well-I'm about over the edge. I'll wait to hear the results from shooter .45. If they're as positive as everyone else's I'll put a GSR in my hands and if it feels good and seems to fit I'll sell the Para and get the Sig. If the accuracy results from over the counter buyers is as hot as those in the gun rags and fit, finish and reliability are solid then this offering from Sig has the potential to be a real winner.

shooter.45
April 6, 2004, 11:08 AM
harpethriver, Thought I would post some Pics just to show off my new addition. Until the range time this weekend oh I can't wait.


http://www.hunt101.com/img/130929.JPG


http://www.hunt101.com/img/130931.JPG :cool:

Sean Smith
April 6, 2004, 11:56 AM
Just what the world needed... a 1911, but with a substandard trigger pull out of the box. :p

MK11
April 6, 2004, 12:12 PM
Just what the world needed. . .a 1911 that actually works out of the box. :D

ruger357
April 6, 2004, 03:46 PM
That's one tactical looking 1911.

Robert Hairless
April 7, 2004, 06:27 PM
Mine needed some minor work that SIGARMS Custom Shop did fast and free. Part of what I wanted was the crispest 4.5 lb trigger pull they could do, and what they did is so good that it feels like 2.5 lbs. Lovely pistol, absolutely lovely, and I think it's a bargain at the price. Notice that mine is an early example that was delivered with the rear of the butt unbeveled. My first thought was to have SIGARMS bevel it, which they said they would do gladly. Then I realised that the square butt is actually an asset: it mates nicely with a Smith & Alexander mag guide, as I think you'll agree from these photos.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid110/p82cec00b1b85a0211bcab0108c4a0beb/f91882ad.jpg

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid109/p95d5eccff49b11bc67075c77c6f1dbc5/f934faf5.jpg

Sean Smith
April 7, 2004, 07:03 PM
So that's 2 GSR triggers that weren't up to snuff out of the box? :neener:

I'm not sayin' the GSR is no good, they've raided practically every good 1911 part supplier's catalog to make the gun. I just find it funny that they can't get the triggers right on a 1911, when the biggest reason people like 1911s is becasue of the trigger pull.

Then again, people also like 1911s for their looks, and the GSR looks pretty "different." :D

Robert Hairless
April 8, 2004, 01:36 AM
Take a ten yard penality for unwarranted conclusion jumping, Sean. I didn't say there was anything wrong with the trigger on my GSR and if I seemed to imply it set it down to my poor writing skills. The trigger was good; I wanted it better and to my own taste. We don't want to argue that the 1911 is obviously a flawed pistol because people change stocks, sights, and just about everything else on it. I'm tempted to tease you about the Delta Elite needing a lot of expensive work to make it right, but I won't do that because I've followed your lead and I'm having one customized right now--but differently from yours. :)

Where we agree completely, of course, is in the way a 1911 must look: parkerized, spur hammer, spur grip safety, short solid trigger, no lowered or flared ejection port, flat mainspring housing with a lanyard loop ring on it, and the tiniest possible sights. If it was good enough for John Browning it's good enough for us. ;)

On a similarly good-natured note, one of the above messages mentions some discomfort with the GSR beavertail. It's one of the GSR's most attractive features for me. I did find the GSR's industrial look a bit offputting at first but now I rather like it.

For whatever it's worth, I'm not a fan of the usual SIG pistol. Try as I might to like them, mostly because some friends of mine are devotees, I haven't found one that suited me. I really like the GSR though and I intend to look at any future offerings in the 1911 mode. I even suggested that SIG consider making one in 10mm, although of course there will be one less potential customer if you won't change your mind. :D

This is the first post on which I tried using emoticons (the original term for "smilies") so I apologize if I got too carried away with them.

harpethriver
April 8, 2004, 10:53 AM
Sean-adjusting the trigger of any gun is about like adjusting the steering wheel or seat position in a car. It's not done because the car is defective. A buddy of mine and I purchased consecutive serial # HK USP 40's. Within 2 weeks both guns had a "C" clip retaining the captive recoil spring fall off and lodge inside the guns. That's defective. As to modifying guns after purchase, my experience has been that in general the less a "stock" gun has to be 'messed with" the more dependable it will be. Of course that is all relative to how well the gun was made in the first place and how good the gunsmith is doing the "mods.":D

Sean Smith
April 8, 2004, 10:56 AM
I'm tempted to tease you about the Delta Elite needing a lot of expensive work to make it right

Well, that depends on what you mean by "right," now doesn't it? :p

But I can say that none of the stock Colts I've owned (all cheaper than the GSR's MSRP of $1,000+, by the way) had "spongy" triggers. Or were unreliable, for that matter. ;)

So the Sig being hailed for not jamming, but needing a trigger job, doesn't strike me as particularly exceptional.

Ankeny
April 8, 2004, 11:27 AM
I had the opportunity to shoot a GSR quite a bit earlier this week. To be honest, it's just another 1911. It ain't junk, but it's nothing spectacular either. Frankly, I don't see what all the hype is about.

BigG
April 8, 2004, 11:55 AM
I say let the Teutonians build Teutonic stuff. :D

http://thehighroad.org/attachment.php?s=&postid=551419

YMMV :cool:

Robert Hairless
April 8, 2004, 12:10 PM
What I really love is my Valtro. I'm so easy. :) Emoticons are fun but I'll take leave of this discussion for now. Cheers!

harpethriver
April 8, 2004, 05:19 PM
Ankeny-with the GSR mine is not the voice of experience. Could you please elaborate a little? How many rounds/type shot? Circumstances and conditions? Accuracy? Problems? How would you compare to other 1911 or similar .45 autoloaders? Having read the glowing reviews of the GSR I'm looking for objective opinions that might be different than those in the gun rags. Thanks.

Black Majik
April 8, 2004, 05:29 PM
Robert Hairless...

Nice picture! One thing I never really noticed before, but with your side profile picture, I can really really see the Sig Sauer lines in the 1911. I must say now I like the Sig 1911 a LOT more. Truly beautiful work

Well done Sig Sauer!! :D

Robert Hairless
April 10, 2004, 12:48 AM
Black Majik, thanks for your kind comment about my photography. I'm new to it and trying to learn.

SIGs in themselves don't have a hold on me, as I said as neutrally as possible so as not to distress anyone unnecessarily, and my immediate reaction to the GSR at first look was that it seemed ungainly and I wasn't interested in it. I was wrong. I just don't know enough about SIGs to recognize the GSR's stylistic derivation but it's a visually compelling interpretation of the traditional 1911, and the more I examine it the more interesting it is to me. And the more I shoot it the more I realize that it's quite an achievement. Sean's remark about SIG "raiding" every high quality part supplier's catalog is absolutely right, but for me that's one of the GSR's best recommendations: I prefer it to a pistol built from lesser components.

I bought the GSR as a nightstand pistol only, on the principle that I want a defensive weapon with a familiar manual of arms if I'm awakened suddenly and can't reach something more substantial than a pistol. But the GSR is much too good to spend its life on a nightstand.

For what it might be worth, I don't have any financial or emotional investment in SIG or the GSR (or Colt, Kimber, or whatever). I don't really care if anyone else buys or doesn't buy one, and I buy what I like with a view to keeping not reselling. Nor do I consider myself an expert in these matters. I've only been shooting since about 1958 and I didn't get my first 1911 until about 1961. But me, I'm delighted with my GSR.

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