Powder Shortage and No Politics


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keelbolts
April 29, 2014, 12:35 PM
I have been properly warned for my post, of yesterday, that mentioned politics. I will try to refrain from breaking that rule again as I find this forum to be attended by good and knowledgable individuals. I'm afraid my patience with the current shortage just ran out.

I apologize to anybody who was offended by my post.

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MtnCreek
April 29, 2014, 12:47 PM
Try this:
http://www.gunbot.net/reloading/Powder/

Jlr2267
April 29, 2014, 12:59 PM
Try this:
http://www.gunbot.net/reloading/Powder/

I really hate to see this. We now have "powder locusts" descending instantly on any available pistol powder, much like we have seen for months now with 22LR.

Look for new internet sites to pop up soon selling powder at $50/lb.

RussellC
April 29, 2014, 01:14 PM
Its not that bad, gun bot is slow on the draw from what I see. I track powder that becomes available and sells out before it hits there...

Russellc

zxcvbob
April 29, 2014, 01:30 PM
I saw a shiny new pound of Red Dot at Fleet Farm a few days ago for $18, and assorted one-pounders of rifle powders for $20-something. So it's coming back. They also had CCI primers. No .22LR yet, though.

Jlr2267
April 29, 2014, 03:19 PM
Its not that bad, gun bot is slow on the draw from what I see. I track powder that becomes available and sells out before it hits there...

Russellc

If powder is selling out even before it hits gunbot, things are worse than I thought.

MtnCreek
April 29, 2014, 03:23 PM
I know from experience that once it's listed on that site, there's no time to waste. When ordering something I'll typically look around the site to see if there's something else I need to kinda take an edge off the shipping. That cost me a couple of powder orders. Now I'm pulling my cc out w/ one hand and clicking a mouse with the other.

gamestalker
April 29, 2014, 04:07 PM
Things are starting to get better around here locally. I'm seeing powders, and especially primers are showing up in very good quantities. The good news is, the powders I'm finding are about as fresh as they can get.

GS

horseman1
April 29, 2014, 04:20 PM
Been to my usual haunts around here, and am starting to find rifle powder. Bullets and primers no problem. Pistol powder however, is still a rare bird. No big deal, I suppose I could always hold my nose and shoot factory stuff :).

Potatohead
April 29, 2014, 04:25 PM
Im actually needing brass more than anything else at the moment. That's not the worst problem one could have I guess.

Hopefully folks are getting pretty stocked up on powder, and this thing will level out some. I bet the glut that follows will be like no other...The glut of all gluts.

RealGun
April 29, 2014, 04:52 PM
It depends how long it takes to produce all the rounds that government agencies ordered and continue to do so. Where do we imagine that would come from? It's not military (Pentagon) and their dedicated resources. I don't understand why this perfectly logical idea is a forbidden theory or at least the object of considerable bullying around the forums.

cfullgraf
April 29, 2014, 05:47 PM
I'm afraid my patience with the current shortage just ran out.



Learn from the experience. Things are getting better, but slowly., When things do get better, plan ahead for the next panic.

FROGO207
April 29, 2014, 09:56 PM
^^^^^^ GOOD ADVISE---I usually stock up ahead on supplies. I plan for two years expected use as a minimum level never to drop below. This time even I have curtailed my reloading/shooting volume some to stretch things out. The prices of materials are just bound to go up in the future anyway so this is a hedge against inflation as well as against a shortage of components. Those I feel bad for are the new reloaders or the ones that can't find funds to buy anything ahead.

bluetopper
April 29, 2014, 10:01 PM
Best to heed the warnings around this forum, the moderation can be rather aggressive.

TIMC
April 29, 2014, 10:17 PM
Walked into the club house at my local range a couple weeks ago and saw close to 20 cases of Varget stacked up, like the rest of the locust I bought a case! They seem to be getting in a lot of the hard to find powders now along with primers. The prices are still up a fair amount but they said they are having to pay higher prices to get it. I'm pretty well stocked up again. I even managed to snag 2500 rounds of Remington subsonic .22LR so I'm back in the quiet plinking world again.

docsleepy
April 30, 2014, 06:08 AM
Looks to me like the population is stocking up. Big-time.

ol' scratch
April 30, 2014, 08:14 AM
Things are coming back, but that never happens as fast as people want. I did plan ahead a bit, but to stretch things out with my ammo and reloading supplies I picked up a surplus match pellet gun over a year ago. I also picked up 5000 match grade pellets for $25. If you haven't tried a pellet gun, you really are missing out. I set up a trap in my basement and shoot all day on the REALLY cheap. I even practice in my backyard.

taliv
April 30, 2014, 10:14 AM
in the past 2 months, my local store in small town tennessee has had 1 and 8 lb containers of both varget and H4350 and several cases of 1 lb cans of titegroup and others. actually a lot more, but those are the powders i watch. the only powder i use that i haven't been able to find is reloader 17

John3921
April 30, 2014, 10:59 AM
I saw yesterday that Powder Valley had some 8# containers of Unique. Sold out in 4 minutes.

keelbolts
April 30, 2014, 11:47 AM
Glad to hear it's coming back some places at least. I haven't seen an improvement in my area yet, but I still have enough of everything to hold me for a short while. I won't allow my reserves to get this low again.

As for the moderation, I accept full responsibility for stirring that pot and I understand. While I suspect many in this forum share many of my views, we come to this site to share firearms info not political opinions. I've seen other forums degenerate into elementry school name calling and none of us wants to see that happen here. In this forum, we choose to take the high road.

I hope puns are allowed here... bad ones?

taliv
April 30, 2014, 12:35 PM
heck, i just saw forster co-ax presses are in stock at brownells. i dont think i've ever seen that before, even pre-obama

morcey2
April 30, 2014, 01:01 PM
It's definitely getting better around here, although I've had to get creative. I haven't seen H4350 for a couple of months. There are lots of IMR and Accurate powders showing up. Almost all rifle. Alliant is a little harder to find. I picked up a pound of AA #5 for my 9x18, and it's working, but I'm looking for a slightly faster powder. I watched the last 2 lbs of titegroup walk out of the LGS when a friend told me that they had some. Clays is still not flowing, but that's a whole other story.

The most common ones I see are 7828, both normal and SSC, IMR4064, IMR4320, IMR3031, H4198, IMR4350, AA4350, AA2495, several other AA's that I can't remember, RL50, and Winchester 748 and 760 have started showing up as well. Varget and most of the other Hodgdon extruded powders are less common. Longshot and Winchester AA Super Handicap are the only shotgun powders to speak of that I've seen lately.

It is getting much better though. Bullets, primers, and most common brass is easy to come by. I'm still waiting for one of the manufacturers to accidentally make a run of 257 Roberts brass. They seem to be avoiding that one.

Matt

Potatohead
April 30, 2014, 01:23 PM
I don't understand why this perfectly logical idea is a forbidden theory or at least the object of considerable bullying around the forums.
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RealGun

I thought the "government ordered all the bullets" theory had been debunked, no? Or is that not what you were referring to?

Walkalong
April 30, 2014, 02:03 PM
I hope puns are allowed here... bad ones?The only good pun is a bad pun. IMHO of course.

ddc
April 30, 2014, 02:57 PM
The only good pun is a bad pun. IMHO of course.

IMHO also. A pun is one of those things where "bad" is "good". :)

mboylan
April 30, 2014, 03:24 PM
Before coming up with the conspiracy theory of the week, realize that

a) Actual purchases of ammo by the government have gone down over the last 3 years. The stuff that is actually paid for and delivered.

b) Options to buy have gone way up because of the need to multi source and take delivery without backorder.

c) Commercial and military ammo generally does not use the same powder we reload with.

RealGun
April 30, 2014, 05:09 PM
Before coming up with the conspiracy theory of the week, realize that

a) Actual purchases of ammo by the government have gone down over the last 3 years. The stuff that is actually paid for and delivered.

b) Options to buy have gone way up because of the need to multi source and take delivery without backorder.

c) Commercial and military ammo generally does not use the same powder we reload with.

And your information is better because...?

John3921
April 30, 2014, 05:36 PM
I read a blurb by Randy Wakeman on Chuck Hawks site talking about the limited availability of nitrocellulose. I wonder if raw materials for powder is part of the problem - The plant on the east coast that supplies nitrocellulose for ALL us made ball powders is owned by the US military.

I'm not sure how old this article is - but it's interesting.

Wakeman article on nitrocellulose (http://www.chuckhawks.com/column92_ammunition_shortage.htm)

sauer1911
May 1, 2014, 06:24 PM
With all the powder available for 50bmg and other reach out and touch em calibers, I am in a quandary as to why it is available, and not better quantities of powder for target/comp pistols.

arrrrgh.:cuss::banghead::fire::mad::cuss::banghead::banghead::banghead::fire::fire::fire:

JWH321
May 1, 2014, 07:45 PM
What makes me sad is the thought that there are probably thousands of bottles of powder that will wind up in a landfill three years from now dumped by the people who had no actual need for the powder. There will probably be a bunch of presses on Ebay for the same reason.

horseman1
May 1, 2014, 11:33 PM
I read a blurb by Randy Wakeman on Chuck Hawks site talking about the limited availability of nitrocellulose. I wonder if raw materials for powder is part of the problem - The plant on the east coast that supplies nitrocellulose for ALL us made ball powders is owned by the US military.

I'm not sure how old this article is - but it's interesting.

Wakeman article on nitrocellulose (http://www.chuckhawks.com/column92_ammunition_shortage.htm)

It says copyright 2014 at the bottom, so one would think it was fairly recent. Good read btw

Elkins45
May 2, 2014, 05:43 PM
Commercial and military ammo generally does not use the same powder we reload with.

No, but they powder they do use is manufactured on the same production lines.

I'm seeing some limited availability of pistol powders. Most rifle powders seem to be available. The only real annoyance for me is that mostly what I'm seeing on shelves is 1ib bottles when I prefer to save by buying in 4 or 8lb containers...and that none of those bottles are 2400.

Drail
May 2, 2014, 06:36 PM
It is simple hoarding. I saw this back when the first assault weapons bill was passed. This too will pass. But it is REALLY annoying. The more stupid laws they try to shove down our throats the more gun owners and shooters and handloaders they create. And they want all they can get.

RealGun
May 2, 2014, 08:22 PM
Commercial and military ammo generally does not use the same powder we reload with.

No, but they powder they do use is manufactured on the same production lines.

From Virginia.gov

Radford Army Ammunition Plant

The Radford Army Ammunition Plant, located in Radford, Virginia, produces rocket and gun propellants. The plant was built in the 1940s by Hercules Powder Company to support military ammunition requirements during World War II. Today, the plant is the only active military propellant manufacturing center in the country.

noylj
May 2, 2014, 09:42 PM
It is hard not to mention politics when that is where all the trouble begins. It's like talking about malaria and not mentioning mosquitoes and how to kill them...

noylj
May 2, 2014, 09:45 PM
Oh, oh, a pun.
Did you know that the only difference between a crow and raven is that crows have four pinion feathers on each wing and ravens have five. So, the difference between crows and ravens is a matter of a pinion.

rfwobbly
May 2, 2014, 10:33 PM
I hope puns are allowed here.

Mark my words.... When puns are outlawed, only outlaws will have puns.


Sorry, I couldn't resist. :barf:

thefish
May 2, 2014, 11:16 PM
I don't know where you are located but the place I go to in denver always has pistol primers and plenty of powder. I pick up a 500 primers every time I'm down every few months. Seems like things are getting better here.

Reefinmike
May 3, 2014, 12:05 AM
This stuff is getting crazy. I thought Id be safe having a years worth of loaded ammo and a years worth of components on hand... I have a few ounces of bullseye and an ounce or so of HP38 left and then im tapped out. Im by no means glued to my smartphone nor any of those ammo/powder hoarding sites but dang it, ive been paitently waiting on several local gun shops, powder valley and a few other places I check on occasion to no avail. Of all things, why pistol powder? powders that get people 2000+ loads are nowhere to be seen but rifle powders that'll get you 200 loads/pound are commonly seen.

uggg... I guess i can hold out another 8 or so months but it sure does stink blowing through my ammo reserve and not fillin er back up.

ol' scratch
May 3, 2014, 02:16 AM
The only ammo I am really "hoarding" is Greek ball. It is the reason my basement looks like an ammo dump. Once it is gone, however, it is gone for good and 06 cases can get pricy new. That HXP actually has very good cases. I have enough to provide cases and ammunition for the life of my Garand at this point. My kids will probably still be sorting the stuff when I am long gone.

Analogkid
May 3, 2014, 11:13 PM
My Dad lives in rural MO and at one time resorted to Reclaiming red dot powder from 1990's Winchester 20 gauge birdshot shot shells to load for his .38's. He worked up from very little to workable loads.

He doesn't shoot much but he does like to have his Dan Wesson on his hip while out in the woods or around on the farm. He still has about 50 rounds or so of the ammo he made from the reclaimed Shotshells years ago and has not been able to find any powder or ammo for the last year or so. He hand hammered all of his together with a lee loader and some ANCIENT 158 gr swc's

When I found powder I jumped on the chance to start reloading for us since he doesn't want to swing hammers with a lee loader. Now I get to swing the hammers but I am not using reclaimed powder..

mboylan
May 4, 2014, 05:45 PM
Yeah. There is a shortage of nitrocelulous due to high demand. Hodgdon had to lay people off. They cannot get enough raw materials.

Peter M. Eick
May 4, 2014, 07:34 PM
I just don't understand. Here in Houston we have powder. Not to advertise but this email is 3 days old and lists the powder available from one dealer here in Houston.

Why is it that we can have this much available for sale off the shelf here and yet other folks have problems??????

ACCURATE

#7 - 1's
#9 - 1's
4320 1 1's
LT 32 - 1's

ALLIANT

AR Comp - 1's
Blue Dot - 5's
Clay Dot - 1's & 8's
Green Dot - 1's
Red Dot - 1's & 8's
Power Pro 1200 - 1's & 8's
Power Pro 2000MR - 1's & 8's
Power Pro 300MP - 1's
RL 10X - 1's
RL15 - 1's
RL17 - 1's & 5's
RL 19 - 5's
RL 22 - 5's
Unique - 1's


HODGDON

Benchmark - 1's & 8's
BLC-2 - 1's
CFE 223 - 1's
CFE Pistol - 1's
H50 BMG - 1's
H335 - 1's & 8's
H380 - 1's
H414 - 1's
H110 - 1's
H1000 - 1's & 8's
H4198 - 1's
H4831 - 1's
H4895 - 1's
LeveRevolution - 8's
Lil'Gun - 8's
Longshot - 1's & 8's
Retumbo - 1's & 8's
Titewad - 1's
Varget - 1's and 8's

IMR

IMR 3031 - 1's & 8's
700X - 8's
800X - 1's
PB - 1's
IMR 4227 - 1's
IMR SR 4756 - 1's
Clay Dot - 1's & 8's
4007 SSC - 1's
4064 - 1's
4320 - 1's
4350 - 1's & 8's
SR 4759 - 1's & 8's
4895 - 1's
8208 XBR - 1's & 8's
Trail Boss - 9oz.

RAMSHOT

Silhouette - 1's & 4's
X-Terminator - 1's

WINCHESTER

AutoComp - 1's
WSF - 1's
WST - 1's
296 - 1's
748 - 1's & 8's
760 - 1's

RealGun
May 5, 2014, 09:54 AM
Yeah. There is a shortage of nitrocelulous due to high demand. Hodgdon had to lay people off. They cannot get enough raw materials.

Source?

RealGun
May 5, 2014, 09:57 AM
I just don't understand. Here in Houston we have powder. Not to advertise but this email is 3 days old and lists the powder available from one dealer here in Houston.

Why is it that we can have this much available for sale off the shelf here and yet other folks have problems??????

That's mostly rifle and shotgun, like everywhere else. There a few gems there but few in bulk containers that serious reloaders favor. Pretty nice for a LGS.

Potatohead
May 5, 2014, 01:54 PM
Source?
There was a linked article floating around here a day or two ago about the nitro shortage. Thought it was this thread but I cant find it. I think it linked to ChuckHawks. I'll link the thread if I can get the search function to act right.

Potatohead
May 5, 2014, 01:59 PM
Peter,
I think the guys who dont ship can hang onto a little bit more supply than others. I know there's a guy in downtown Nashville (doesnt ship) that Hexhead told me about and it's like powder heaven in there when I finally got up there.


I asked the fella how he kept so much powder in stock..."I guess Im just good" was his reply:).

Seriously though, he acted surprised when I asked him, like he didnt even know a shortage was going on..

ironworkerwill
May 5, 2014, 02:51 PM
Quote:
I hope puns are allowed here.

Mark my words.... When puns are outlawed, only outlaws will have puns.


Sorry, I couldn't resist.


Obama+ drama= O'drama :o
In reference to the Randy Wakeman article.

Edster12
May 5, 2014, 04:35 PM
There is actually a very good article on the last page of this months Handloader magazine, addressing the powder "Shortage"

Mad Chemist
May 5, 2014, 05:58 PM
Lots of rifle powders are showing up here in the Willamette Valley in Oregon but pistol powders are still nowhere to be found. I have been able to pick up an occasional brick of .22lr but haven't seen pistol powder in months.

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