King Cobra...who will buy one?


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lionken07
April 30, 2014, 03:18 PM
So it looks like we might get the King Cobra back...who will get one? I myself actually want to get a Python but hopefully that is soon to come.

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Hometeached1
April 30, 2014, 03:22 PM
I'd be interested, but would prefer a Magnum Carry.

460Kodiak
April 30, 2014, 03:35 PM
So it looks like we might get the King Cobra back...

Based on? Did Colt say this? Link?

lionken07
April 30, 2014, 03:43 PM
I've already said too much...but it should be out next year.

Dframe
April 30, 2014, 04:19 PM
I'd be overjoyed to see Colt produce ANY DA revolver. Yes I'd buy a King cobra even though I already have one. I'd rather see them make the magnum carry but it's a start.
IF TRUE, This time!

beag_nut
April 30, 2014, 04:33 PM
Based on? Did Colt say this? Link?

And,,, who will make it? Colt, or someone else? Made in the USA or what?
Just asking.

460Kodiak
April 30, 2014, 04:41 PM
I've already said too much...

Uh.... Do you work for Colt? I would buy a 4 or 5 inch model.

greyling22
April 30, 2014, 04:51 PM
Depends on the build quality. If it's built like a ruger, pass. if it's comparable to a python, I'm in. (I know, different actions, but they principle applies) If it's built like a king cobra, I'll keep my smith. I guess what I am saying is that if it a mass market gun I already have a couple. If it's a high end awesome gun I have great interest. 5", stainless, exotic wood grips, minimal rollmarks and warnings etc.

Either way they need to make the firing pin replaceable, so don't make it exactly like the old ones.

CraigC
April 30, 2014, 05:00 PM
If the new 1911's, SAA's and New Frontiers are any indication, I'd say they'd be very well built guns indeed.

Jim NE
April 30, 2014, 05:19 PM
Uh.... Do you work for Colt? I would buy a 4 or 5 inch model.
Or maybe he's "sworn to secrecy", which would explain why he brought it up in the first place.

ColtPythonElite
April 30, 2014, 05:41 PM
I will believe it when I can put my hands on a new production Colt revolver. Until then, it's merely a fairy tale.

boricua9mm
April 30, 2014, 05:46 PM
Too little, too late. With a handful of awesome & beautiful pre-lock Smiths in the safe, I've already filled any possible void that the KC would be suitable for.

Ohen Cepel
April 30, 2014, 06:51 PM
Would have to actually see one before I can make a decision.
If the quality is there and it's not priced out of the market I could be interested.

Baba Louie
April 30, 2014, 06:57 PM
Depends on...

Price point: Up to $1k could do. Above that, not really gonna happen for me.

Size: 3", 4", 5" could do. 6" not gonna happen for me.

Material: (only stainless? not for moi. Blue? oh yeah)

No Lock (or well hidden/placed not an eyesore device)

Chambered for: (?surprise us?)

I would expect excellent Colt production and follow up as usual, so I have no doubts if Colt Mfg would build one it would be precise and accurate and a great value, not to mention a good shooting 21st century snake.

If... I just don't see it happening tho'. Start up costs of tooling... ouch!

barnbwt
April 30, 2014, 07:22 PM
I refuse to believe until I see evidence Colt has changed their lockwork. There's no way they can produce an economical DA revolver with the old, labor-intensive design and sell any number of them. Not for the price the markets will bear relative to 'real' (old) Colt revolvers, not with the fraction of talent/tooling they have remaining at this point to build them. Not buying it (the story or the gun ;))

I think anyone would be stupid to even pitch a 'throwback' gun at the public while the R51 fiasco is unfolding. Do you Colt boys really wanna take that chance? Do you feel lucky? :neener:

EDIT: I could see them producing Korth-level quantities of guns, with Korth-like prices, but with mere Colt-like quality (which wass good, but not worth 3000$ per gun)

TCB

mljdeckard
April 30, 2014, 07:36 PM
I tend to agree with too little too late. Most of us will keep wishing it was a Python.

BigShep85
April 30, 2014, 07:52 PM
But I hope what you say is true because many others will and that means stock liquidation. THAT means guns I would much rather own like most 629s (short barrels etc) and most large caliber Rugers etc. will hit the market and overstock of inventories means lower prices etc etc etc:evil:

At least with these two I know the quality.

I just hope you are right.

RustyShackelford
April 30, 2014, 08:09 PM
Will this budget wheel gun be manufactured in CT? Or the new site in sunny central FL? :D

The campfire stories I heard on other forums is that the Colt engineers & skilled labor all retired that made the Pythons, D-series, King Cobras, Anacondas. :confused:
I've read online news that Colt didn't want to replace/re-tool the older machines needed for high quality revolvers.

RS

UpperAtmosphere
April 30, 2014, 10:25 PM
Yeah, sure, why not - if the price is right and it's a quality weapon.

I love .357 wheelguns.

bikemutt
April 30, 2014, 11:05 PM
I'm in assuming a reasonable value proposition. Need to be assured parts and service won't disappear during the expected service life as well.

syr74
May 1, 2014, 12:46 AM
Don't forget, the King Cobra wasn't based on the more complicated, V-spring lockwork of models like the Python, Detective Special, Diamondback, etc, etc. The King Cobra was an AA frame gun based on the MkV/MkIII guns that were introduced in the late 60's specifically intended to be less expensive to produce than the V-spring lockwork was. A new age King Cobra shouldn't be any more expensive to produce than a L frame Smith and Wesson assuming all else is equal.

If Colt had smart management and the coin to do so they would be well advised to reintroduce the Magnum Carry/DSII, King Cobra, and Anaconda revolvers to cover the small, medium, and large frame revolver markets....although I would suggest giving the small frame revolvers snake names for marketing purposes this time around. Then, if they were so inclined, the could reintroduce the Python as a custom shop only piece and have all the bases covered at a time when the market is very conducive to making big money on guns.

kilibreaux
May 1, 2014, 02:48 AM
Maybe Colt should consider upping the caliber...the .44 magnum is nice, but really, the S&W .500 4" beats any .44 magnum with spades left over. The REAL question is why would anyone drop a grand on a .44 when they could be toting a .500 for the same money...and the .500 is THE "IT" when it comes to handgun power.

kilibreaux
May 1, 2014, 02:56 AM
I think Colt had some very good ideas 25 years ago in the revolver market. The problem is Colt seems to think EVERYONE is made of pure-D, green, CASH and can afford to shell out a small fortune to own whatever they're making...such is not the case, and such is the REASON S&W now reigns supreme as THE "name" manufacturer and is selling all they can build at a reasonable price-point.
I LIKE the way Colt revolvers work...but if they can't bring them to market for a decent price then perhaps someone else should step in if for no other reason than to keep the design alive.

Lucky Derby
May 1, 2014, 03:16 AM
These rumors have been going around for years. I'll believe it when I have a new Colt DA revolver in my hand.
That said, I wouldn't mind having a new Colt King Cobra, although a 3" Magnum Carry would suit my needs better. Colt's quality is currently first rate, after many years of being disappointing.

Ky Larry
May 1, 2014, 06:31 AM
Gimme gimme. Stainless 6inch. I have other Snakes and always have room for more.

evan price
May 1, 2014, 06:51 AM
Nope, got one already. How many do I need? (I say, as I look at the stack of S&W k-frames in the safe)

hAkron
May 1, 2014, 07:23 AM
To build a great revolver is an expensive proposition. To justify the required tooling and staff training you would need to sell a bunch. To sell a bunch you need to price them within reach, to do that you need to cut a few corners. When you start to cut corners to save money you start to lower quality.

In almost all cases, you are much better off to buy something old and used.

bannockburn
May 1, 2014, 09:41 AM
Loved my Mk.Vs (regret having to sell them), and would be interested in a new King Cobra if the build quality is great and the price isn't somewhere up in the stratosphere.

buck460XVR
May 1, 2014, 11:15 AM
Would have to actually see one before I can make a decision.
If the quality is there and it's not priced out of the market I could be interested.


Same here. Since I have the majority of my handgun needs already filled, the idea I gotta have one "just because" is not a whole lot of motivation. One needs to remember, that many of us were buying handguns when they were previously being produced and they still quit making 'em because of lack of sales.

BobWright
May 1, 2014, 11:49 AM
Why would I want a King Cobra? I have a S&W Model 586 Distinguished Combat Magnum, in fact two, a 4" and a 6" and Colt would have to do better than that to get my attention.

In my opinion, the 586 stands head and shoulders above whatever else is in second place among DA .357 Magnum revolvers.

Bob Wright

Dframe
May 1, 2014, 02:53 PM
Got to disagree with you on this one Bob. My J frame Colts are incredibly strong and accurate. I'll happily agree that the 586 is a fine revolver but better than my King Cobra? Nope.

Plastikosmd
May 1, 2014, 03:47 PM
Frankly, I don't feel there is that much difference between my 586/686/cobra/pythons that I have or had. I like them all. I do have a king that I won't sell as it was a wedding present.

22-rimfire
May 1, 2014, 04:36 PM
Build it in 41 mag and I will buy one. Otherwise, I already have a few 357's including my beloved Trooper Mark III.

Wishoot
May 1, 2014, 05:32 PM
Depends on the build quality. If it's built like a ruger, pass. if it's comparable to a python, I'm in. (I know, different actions, but they principle applies) If it's built like a king cobra, I'll keep my smith. I guess what I am saying is that if it a mass market gun I already have a couple. If it's a high end awesome gun I have great interest. 5", stainless, exotic wood grips, minimal rollmarks and warnings etc.

Either way they need to make the firing pin replaceable, so don't make it exactly like the old ones.
Not to change gears, but what's wrong with Ruger's build quality? I've got a Security Six and GP100 that are unstoppable.

BobWright
May 1, 2014, 06:56 PM
No experience with the King Cobra, but with the Python and similar Colts, they would not accept my handloads using the 173 gr. SWC crimped in the crimping groove. To make them work had to reduce powder charge and seat bullets deeper. This also applies to the S&W Models 27 and 28, which also had the short cylinders. Did fit in the Model 19, but no way was I going to feed a Model 19 a steady diet of these.

Bob Wright

montanaoffroader
May 1, 2014, 08:51 PM
I wouldn't mind picking up a spare, if they actually make it into production. I'll believe when I see it.......:rolleyes:

ColtPythonElite
May 1, 2014, 09:04 PM
A famous gunsmith once said the King Cobra was the strongest mid-framed .357 made. I have no reason to doubt it. My favorite King Cobra has seen about 30k rounds with the majority being pretty warm 125 JHP's. It is still as tight as the day I bought it new over 20 years ago....I am bless enough to own more than a couple of Colt DA's. If I had to sell them all and keep only one, it would be a King Cobra.

RustyShackelford
May 1, 2014, 09:14 PM
Post 27 goes back to part of what I said.
Colt would need time(years) to properly train, manage, develop etc the skilled labor(the key phrase; skilled). ;)
These employees/labor won't be cheap(CT). The new DA/SA line would also need a few years of R&D too.
Colt could roll out new King Cobras or a new DA .357magnum, .44, .38spl(snub) but why? Id think the US military & 1911 orders would give them plenty of work.
A new .357magnum revolver could be $1000.00 to $1500.00 too? Is that a big seller? :rolleyes:

As for the gunsmith remarks, Id say the Ruger GP100 is the "king" of med frame revolvers. :D
I've read the R&D staff of CorBon uses the GP100 revolver for .357magnum ammunition. That's a real endorsement IMO.

ColtPythonElite
May 1, 2014, 09:17 PM
Yep, the GP is a fine revolver if you like cast over forged and don't care that it's finish is completed with a wire brush and some 200 grit sandpaper. GP's sell well because they are good guns, value priced, and easy to get. That doesn't make them the top of the heap, though.

Cooldill
May 1, 2014, 09:27 PM
Yep, the GP is a fine revolver if you like cast over forged and don't care that it's finish is completed with a wire brush and some 200 grit sandpaper. GP's sell well because they are good guns, value priced, and easy to get. That doesn't make them the top of the heap, though.

The GP-100 isn't the prettiest revolver on the market, but it's a bet your life rugged and reliable 6 gun that will hold it's own against ANY modern S&W.

Now as to the OP, what are his sources? How does HE know Colt is getting back into the DA revolver game? He could be trolling big time, but IF Colt comes out with the King Cobra again, I might be in the market.

If it's going to be old school Colt fit and finish, it's probably going to be expensive. To tell you the honest to God truth, I'm just fine with that. Some people say they won't buy it unless it's "under ($?)" and then say "it better be the same quality as it used to be", well guess what? In the year 2014 that simply isn't going to happen.

Either this gun is going to be made at a price point like most other guns today, or it's going to be expensive but made with Colt old-school quality in mind. At least that's what I think. JMHO.

YMMV.

ColtPythonElite
May 1, 2014, 09:54 PM
The old King Cobra wasn't a premium gun. Sure, it was well finished, but it wasn't the Cadillac. It's S&W peer was the 686. To be competitive in today's market, the gun would have to be priced about the same as a new 686. If a new KC could be built as well as the old KC in the price range, I would say they would do well.....Honestly, it would be nice to see. The used King Cobra market has gone nuts. I would like to see a new gun that would help drive the crazy asking prices of the old guns down.

357 Terms
May 1, 2014, 09:54 PM
Don't hold your breathe fella's.

I doubt Colt will produce a DA revolver again.

ApacheCoTodd
May 1, 2014, 10:16 PM
... and has: "already said too much", I'll throw my .02 in.

Would I buy one? Already have.

Hell, were the price right - I'd buy two more and replace a couple of my favored Tauri with the Colts and play with modifying the stainless Tauruses as practice engraving guns and the like.

And by the price being "right", I don't mean to be the average whiner crabbing about how they "think" the price is too high, I just don't want to be paying for perceived legacy - only quality.

Yup. I'd be a buyer - twice more over.

I guess I'll have to see one. I still feel monster disappointment after getting all worked up to get a Smith .500 and then seeing one of those overpriced turds in the flesh.

wproct
May 1, 2014, 10:22 PM
Personally, I will be very surprised if Colt re-enters the double action revolver arena again. I am a fan of the older S&W K and L frame revolvers, and also a huge fan of the GP100. I'm sorry, but Colt will not engineer anything that will come close to the GP100 in design and function, and it's too late in the game to try to go head to head with Smith & Wesson in a more highly finished revolver. I could very well be wrong, but that's the way it looks to me.:)

Barry the Bear
May 1, 2014, 10:50 PM
I would like some proof of colts' intention to produce these once fine guns. Just saying "Ive spoken too much" leaves this thread to be another "I wish upon a star" thread.

Dr.Rob
May 1, 2014, 11:37 PM
Kicked myself for not buying a 4 inch one in a consignment case years ago.

Let us know when it's not vaporware.

Ed Ames
May 1, 2014, 11:52 PM
Sounds like a CB radio or malt liquor. Is it an attempt to grab some nostalgia cash from boomers? I guess with a name like "King Cobra" we can assume this is not yet another attempt to copy the Judge? Would I know the name if I was 30 years older?

I have so little interest I don't even know why anyone would think I would have interest.

ColtPythonElite
May 1, 2014, 11:54 PM
I have a 4" that appears unfired. Three or so years ago, I tried to sell it and priced it at $750. I couldn't get a bite. I put in the back of the safe and kinda forgot about it. I am glad I did now.

syr74
May 2, 2014, 12:32 AM
Colt built more than a few King Cobra revolvers in the 80's and 90's and despite this prices on the used market are currently ridiculous and climbing. Those prices make it clear that there is quite a bit of demand for Colt revolvers, and given the reality that tooling up for existing designs shouldn't take more than a couple of years at the most I think this is a market Colt should reenter. I'm not at all confident that they will unfortunately.

Peter Gun
May 2, 2014, 10:27 AM
I would prob buy one if it was cheaper than the current insane used prices.
6" stainless king cobra was my first gun. Also the one I most regret selling. Fell victim to the allure of autos and wasn't able to keep a collection.

B!ngo
May 2, 2014, 02:26 PM
If they built it as nicely as would like it to be, I couldn't afford it. So forget about it.
I'll gladly live with my two S&W PC V Comps (.357 and .44). One with the lock and one without. Both are quite satisfying and I haven't felt the urge to look further since buying them.
B

Cooldill
May 2, 2014, 02:34 PM
Okay, okay, GUYS! We don't even know if Colt is really set to produce this gun.

I think the OP needs to be questioned on his sources. If not this is simply rumor spreading troll material. Nothing more.

460Kodiak
May 2, 2014, 02:44 PM
Agreed. I think this thread is horse hockey............... Until Colt says something, it is nonsense.

CraigC
May 2, 2014, 02:50 PM
If a new KC could be built as well as the old KC in the price range, I would say they would do well.....Honestly, it would be nice to see.
Agreed.

ColtPythonElite
May 2, 2014, 03:45 PM
Sure, it's horse hockey. But it's fun to b.s. about like Bigfoot, aliens, and the .22lr shortage.

460Kodiak
May 2, 2014, 04:59 PM
Yeah I know man, but when the OP posts
I've already said too much...but it should be out next year.
and then dissapears, I can't help but think.......:rolleyes::scrutiny::rolleyes:

earlthegoat2
May 2, 2014, 05:22 PM
Everything that is confirmed even to be in production "next year" either never shows up or take at least 5 years.

Colt's version of the Bren Ten may be in the works.

benzy2
May 2, 2014, 05:40 PM
I'm not holding my breath.

That said, I think it's certainly possible. Skilled labor is different today than in the past. There are certainly qualified machinist that could follow a print. Not saying it's simple to draw up the spec or that all processes are simply build it to a blueprint, but the design is the big issue. Quality metal workers exist in large numbers, if you are willing to pay fair wages.

I'd be interested if it falls in the L-frame price range, which means anything from $700-$1200. Now, I wouldn't pay $1200 for a basic 586 clone under the KC name, but for equivalent pricing (or nearly equivalent) I'd grab a Colt to try a new flavor.

JaxJim
May 2, 2014, 06:37 PM
I'd like to see Colt produce da wheel guns again. I already own two KCs: a 6" and a 4". I enjoy shooting both so I don't see myself purchasing one if they come out with them again BUT, a blued Python 4"! I'm all over that!

lionken07
May 2, 2014, 07:37 PM
I'm not sure why it is so hard to believe...but was told at our Union meeting that it will come out next year. Now if the King Cobra sell well they might bring back the other snakes but only time will tell on that.:neener:

wproct
May 2, 2014, 08:03 PM
Hey, I hope it's for real! Another U.S. built revolver, what can be bad about that?:D

j1
May 2, 2014, 08:23 PM
I will believe it when I see it. Will I buy one? Gotta see and handle it first.

460Kodiak
May 2, 2014, 08:36 PM
I'm not sure why it is so hard to believe...but was told at our Union meeting that it will come out next year. Now if the King Cobra sell well they might bring back the other snakes but only time will tell on that.

Thank you! Ok if you are a Colt employee, and based on the above comment I assume you are, then I give this more credence. Please understand that the way you went about posting gave the impression that this was a troll thread.

YES! The King Cobra would be welcomed back onto the market as plenty of new shooters lacking revolvers are out there. However, they MUST be at or near the same price point as S&W or they will flop. I would be interested in a 4.5 or 5" version myself. I think the anaconda would be welcomed as well.

ApacheCoTodd
May 2, 2014, 08:48 PM
Also, should it actually be released - I assume the reason for going with "King Cobra" is to make a connection to the past high though not premium quality pistol.

If they don't make it as good or better than the original, it is doomed to fail.

If it's just a nod in name only to the original as Detroit does with cars (an example being say, the new "Cherokee") I'll be mightily cheesed.

Don't send us a bunch of corner-cutting, alternative material, limited finish crap and try to tell us how these are modern improvements over the original.

If they go that way - as industry so often does - they might as well throw the tool-up expenses into the river.

It's gotta look good, shoot better than good, hold up and not cost like a "legacy gun".

CraigC
May 2, 2014, 11:59 PM
Might be like the stainless SAA's that went so far as the catalog with ZERO production. I'll believe it when I see them on dealer's shelves.

Barry the Bear
May 3, 2014, 12:49 AM
I'm not sure why it is so hard to believe...but was told at our Union meeting that it will come out next year. Now if the King Cobra sell well they might bring back the other snakes but only time will tell on that.:neener:
Im still going to go on the " this is pipe dream" Theory. How about someone actually calls colt and see what the horse says for itself?

Wheelgun
May 3, 2014, 01:59 AM
While I don't think it's going to happen, I'd be interested. I'm a S&W fan, and haven't bought into the Colt Hype. Turned down a number of pony guns when prices were reasonable, let alone the current prices. That said, as long as it's made in the USA and doesn't have a stupid internal lock, I'd be game. Would love a new smith, but won't go for one with the lock. A Colt would be interesting, but just needs to be offered at a similar price point to the current S&W offerings.

Wishoot
May 3, 2014, 10:59 AM
Everything that is confirmed even to be in production "next year" either never shows up or take at least 5 years.

Colt's version of the Bren Ten may be in the works.
I heard the same thing from a guy that knows the second cousin of a girl whose husband used to work at Colt in 1965.

RustyShackelford
May 3, 2014, 12:36 PM
I guess a few forum members never heard of the concept of industrial espionage? :rolleyes:

I highly doubt Colt or any other US shooting sports industry firm would take your calls or let your tour the R&D offices. :uhoh:

In 2012, I spent some time in Seattle WA. I looked into the Boeing plant tour.
It's approx 65 min long. You can not leave or take rest room breaks. You can't carry or have any cameras/cell phones/iPads/DV units. You can only tour the selected areas.
If Boeing is this strict with a open tour, how do you think Colt or S&W would be?

Barry the Bear
May 3, 2014, 12:56 PM
I guess a few forum members never heard of the concept of industrial espionage? :rolleyes:

I highly doubt Colt or any other US shooting sports industry firm would take your calls or let your tour the R&D offices. :uhoh:

In 2012, I spent some time in Seattle WA. I looked into the Boeing plant tour.
It's approx 65 min long. You can not leave or take rest room breaks. You can't carry or have any cameras/cell phones/iPads/DV units. You can only tour the selected areas.
If Boeing is this strict with a open tour, how do you think Colt or S&W would be?
For one, I know that people have called them and gotten similar information in the past and colt has had a few tours in their past.

Nom de Forum
May 3, 2014, 01:55 PM
In related news, in 2015 pigs are scheduled to fly.

Cooldill
May 3, 2014, 02:16 PM
This is still in "dangerous troll territory" for me.

If the Pony is planning on making DA revolvers again, than good.

Until then, this is all unfounded contemplation.

OrangePwrx9
May 3, 2014, 03:53 PM
OK, I'll play.

I'd buy one if:
1) Priced at the 586/686 level
2) Available with 4" barrel
3) Forged steel
4) it has been in production a couple of years with good reports
5) Fit & finished to Ruger levels - which is adequate for me

earlthegoat2
May 3, 2014, 10:45 PM
Colt does tours just like S&W, Ruger, Savage, Remington, etc. They do tours of the manufacturing side of things.

NOT R&D.

TennJed
May 4, 2014, 12:35 AM
Rather have the New Dan Wesson

hemiram
May 4, 2014, 01:29 AM
So would I, but choices are nice to have. I don't really plan on buying another revolver anytime soon, but if I did, it would probably be another 15-2 or an old S&W 28 rather than a Colt, unless the price was right.

buck460XVR
May 4, 2014, 12:42 PM
Rather have the New Dan Wesson

I knew of a quite a few folks that were waiting to jump on that bandwagon also, back when it was just rumors. Now that the actual guns are out and with the price on 'em, the enthusiasm has waned.

It is nice to have options and it is good for the market for there to be competition. The rumors of Colt DAs coming back have been around since their demise. Colt has made no mention, nor has there been anything in popular gun rags. If the Union announced to it's members and allowed them to post about it on social networking forums, I'd assume someone would have told the press. Regardless, if we do see one, the firearm will not be what it once was. It will be produced with CNC and MIM(both common with modern Colts) or will be priced out of the range most folks want to pay for a shooter revolver. Neither is a bad thing, just what it is.

CraigC
May 4, 2014, 01:06 PM
I knew of a quite a few folks that were waiting to jump on that bandwagon also, back when it was just rumors. Now that the actual guns are out and with the price on 'em, the enthusiasm has waned.
Seems to always be like that. Everybody's hot in the pants wanting them to make something, then when it's here, everybody has something else to spend their money on. I'm guilty of doing the same thing with the Ruger .44Spl's.

As for bringing back discontinued models, it's pretty universal that if as many people bought something as said they would after it was gone, it never would've been discontinued.

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