Please point me in the direction of a ĺ oz. 20 gauge load


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*Kemosabe*
May 2, 2014, 09:54 PM
I have Lymanís 3rd and 4th editions of their Shotshell Reloading Handbook and there is no help there.

Of the several powder company data manuals I have, only the Lee-Hodgdon manual had loads for the AA type hulls and the RXP type hulls using Intíl Clays powder. Since I would prefer to use this powder that's okay.

But, I have very few of those hulls. OTOH I have a slew of Federal plastic hunting hulls. (from their promotional dove load shells).

Can anyone point me to a data manual that has the info for these 20 gauge hulls using Intíl Clays powder, Win. 209 primers and the WAA20 wad and 3/4 oz. of shot? ThanksÖ.. Sabe

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JimKirk
May 2, 2014, 10:27 PM
http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun

Sorry no cheap Federal hulls listed ... my bad...

*Kemosabe*
May 2, 2014, 10:37 PM
@ JimKirk - I tried that source and they offer no 3/4 oz. loads at all in 20 gauge.

243winxb
May 2, 2014, 10:45 PM
None for Federal plastic hunting hulls & Int’l Clays powder. Try here http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/

gpb
May 2, 2014, 11:48 PM
Try Clay Buster wads. They make a 20 gauge wad for 3/4 ounce loads and provide load data. While I don't have a 20 gauge, I use their 3/4 ounce 12 gauge wads and they work very well for me. I would expect the same from their 20 gauge wads.

http://www.claybusterwads.com/index.php/product-by-gauge/by-gauge-20/33-load-data-cb1075-20

blarby
May 3, 2014, 01:31 AM
The fed maroon hunting hulls will be at best good for 2-3 firings, depending on the load.

The other hulls mary very well outlast them.

I've used a lot of the lee charge table loads in 12 and 20, and it never lead me astray.

*Kemosabe*
May 3, 2014, 01:36 PM
@ 243winxb - I registered at ShotgunWorld and posted my request. I’m starting to get back some helpful info, but I am not quite there yet. Thanks for the heads-up!

@ gpb - I am committed to the International Clays powder and the Win. 209 primers because that is the supply that I have on hand, so their data is not entirely helpful. However, the info may be viable if I change the recipe using a different hull which I may end up doing.

I didn’t know that Claybusters published data for their products… thanks for the heads-up as well.

JimKirk
May 3, 2014, 02:41 PM
My bad ...

Your best bet is to find a good source of Remington Gun club hulls ... the Federals(cheap load hulls) are not much for reloading but a few times at best ...

Problem is the Federal hulls are so deep ... even the longer wads are too short to give you a 3/4 oz load ...

*Kemosabe*
May 3, 2014, 05:47 PM
@ JimKirk - Okay, so noted. Thanks

fecmech
May 4, 2014, 07:05 PM
Basically anything that's safe in a taper wall hull such as the AA,RXP, Gun Club is less pressure in the straight wall hulls such as the Federal given the same powder charge and shot weight. I would use the 7/8 oz. data for the RXP or AA with 3/4 oz in the Federal hulls. The only problem you might have is not enough total height to get a good crimp although Intl Clays is fairly bulky. Give Hogdon a call and ask them.

*Kemosabe*
May 4, 2014, 10:00 PM
fecmech - "The only problem you might have is not enough total height to get a good crimp..."

I went on another site as suggested by 243winxb to ask the same question and a poster recommended using a Cheerio to take up the space to allow a non-dished crimp. I donít know if that will work, but Iíll have to try it just to say that I did it!

fecmech
May 5, 2014, 11:44 AM
I went on another site as suggested by 243winxb to ask the same question and a poster recommended using a Cheerio to take up the space to allow a non-dished crimp. I donít know if that will work, but Iíll have to try it just to say that I did it!
Ah, great minds! A few years ago a friend and I developed a 1/2 oz. load @1200 fps in the 12 ga. I used standard wads (didn't matter what shot weight) and dropped a 1/2 oz. of shot in. Then before starting the crimp I filled the case to the top with Puffed Rice cereal and then continued to load in the usual manner. I got very uniform crimps, ballistics and great patterns and much abuse from my shooting buddies! I called Alliant powder to see if I could get them pressure tested and after explaining my ballistics he said send some in. The tech guy at Alliant was really surprised at the uniform ballistics and pressure (5500PSI +-500).

oneounceload
May 5, 2014, 03:30 PM
The CB wad for 3/4oz loads is a lime green and works great. I use Remington GC hulls with Universal Clays (or Unique or 20/28 will also do). Great low recoil loads that smack targets hard.

As to the Cheerio - yes it works if you are using 7/8oz wads to drop 3/4oz loads. If using a MEC, you can also adjust your precimp and crimp dies to make it work without a Cheerio. Do NOT put the Cheerio in first, it must go on top of the pellets or you will crush it in the hull with the shot drop tube and then that could get clogged and cause all kinds of issues. You can also buy spreader inserts and make 3/4oz spreader loads using a 7/8 oz wad.

*Kemosabe*
May 5, 2014, 04:49 PM
@ fecmech - Cheerios & Puffed RiceÖ not just for breakfast anymore! Whodathunkit... yes, great minds! LMAO! :D:D:D

@ oneounceload - I have some spreader inserts on hand, but I was going to use them to make up some specialty loads for station 8 to provide a little extra insurance. Iím guessing that itís not allowed in regulation skeet or international skeet. What do you think or know about it?

DanTheFarmer
May 5, 2014, 05:23 PM
Try borrowing, or risking $20 and buying, the Ballistic Products reloading manual. They've got 20 gauge 3/4 oz. loads listed. Maybe one fits your available components. www.ballisticproducts.com

I just got my Mec 600 jr. but haven't set it up yet. 20 gauge 3/4 oz. are on my short list to try.

Good Luck.

Dan

oneounceload
May 5, 2014, 05:25 PM
I only shoot skeet if there is no sporting clays or FITASC so I do not know the rules in that regard. Personally, I like having fun shooting station 8 from a low gun position just for grins and giggles. I would think that regulations would mandate factory ammo and I would imagine they would not be allowed.

BTW, if you do not have Cheerios or Puffed Rice, pearl barley, lentils or similar also work. Honey-nut Cheerios do add a certain aroma to the air though.... :D

CB wads has data printed on the wad bags for both 12 and 20 respectively, although their stated velocities are off by several grains. In 12, I need 17 of Titewad to get 1210 fps (chrono'd) and in 20 I needed 15.5 to 16 of Universal to get right at 1220. Green Dot and 20/28 are the better choices, although International and Unique are also acceptable.

If you are taking a 7/8oz recipe and only dropping 3/4oz of shot, odds are you will need to bump the powder charge up by .5-1 grain to compensate and get a good burn and pressure....

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