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mugsie
May 3, 2014, 06:24 PM
Being a cheap SOB, rather than purchasing tumbling media from cabelas or midway or some other place, a corncob media specifically designed for tumbling brass, I bought some bird / lizard litter from a pet store.

I placed a bunch of 308 in there and let 'era rip for a few hours. When I came back to remove my nice shiny brass, what I found was dust, lots and lots of dust coated brass!

First of all, was I being too cheap in trying to use the lizard litter? Was it the same stuff as what midway sells as corncob media? Is there any easy way of removing all the dust other than dumping everything out and hosing it off, then letting it dry for a few days?

Should I just dump it all, buy the "right stuff" and do it all over again? It seems to me, every time I try to take a short cut or save some money, it either takes longer or costs more!

Ideas? Comments?

Thanks....

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nevadabob
May 3, 2014, 06:46 PM
Cut up some anti-static/cling dryer sheets, 1" x 3-4" strips, about 6 or so cut up strips, put them in the mix, and re do your load. Run it for a half hour & check.
I use walnut media from Harbor Freight & use the dryer sheets as well. I use the "x1 used" sheets as they're more pliable.

bds
May 3, 2014, 06:50 PM
Cut up used dryer sheet works well and I also use fine grit walnut blasting media from Harbor Freight which comes clean without the dust.

Make sure the bird/lizzard litter you bought is ground walnut (should say on the bag) to use as tumbling media. "Zilla" brand reptile litter says "Ground English Walnut Shells" on the bag - http://www.petsmart.com/reptile/substrate-bedding/zilla-desert-blend-reptile-litter-zid36-14994/cat-36-catid-500013

To clear dust from the media, I would run the tumbler without the lid in the back yard until there was no dust.

If you got the wrong litter, if you have dry rice on hand (long grain or medium grain), you can use it as a tumbling media to clean up the dust covered brass as a short-term fix.

ksimons
May 3, 2014, 07:05 PM
Just wanted to add the corn cob media made for tumbling lasts for many cycles. Not saying it's better than walnut it's just all I have used so far as I bought a tumbler last year with four gallons of media. Have tumbled about 2500 rounds and still have 2 gallons left. Yes I do use darter sheets.

hartcreek
May 3, 2014, 07:14 PM
I have been using the lizzard bedding for years with no problems.

rsrocket1
May 3, 2014, 07:37 PM
"Right stuff" is crushed walnut shells as inexpensive as you can get it. Anything more is simply money out of your pocket and into someone else's. I got a 50# bag for $17 at the local feed store and was outdone by someone who found it locally at $10.

Cut up dryer sheets are the ticket for eliminating dust. For the first few loads, the sheets will come out tan. After that, the walnut dust will go away and all they pick up is soot so they'll come out gray. No need for mineral spirits to catch the dust because all that does is cause the soot/primer dust (which contains lead) to stick to the walnut media rather than get thrown away with the dryer sheets.

Some people even wash the media in the washing machine after lots of use by putting it in a pillow case. I just dump it and scoop up a fresh batch.

sauer1911
May 3, 2014, 08:20 PM
Walnut shells it is! You can wash and dry and reuse the shells over and over.

I put an old pillow case in a 5g bucket, add dirty shells, a tiny bit of low sudsing soap, water. stir around, and lift the pillow case out of the bucket, dump the water, and rinse again.

be safe.

tightgroup tiger
May 3, 2014, 08:21 PM
Yea, I think he got ahold of clay instead of crushed walnut. Walnut doesn't turn to "lots and lots of dust".

greyling22
May 3, 2014, 08:34 PM
leave it outside with the lid off in a breeze. you can lose a lot of dust that way. I'm using some corncob pet product, but I don't like it. It tends to get stuck in any cases smaller than 40 cal.

Walnut does leave a lot of dust, especially old walnut. I run my walnut, then drop it in the corn to clean off the dust and give it a shine.

bobinoregon
May 3, 2014, 08:37 PM
I use walnut shell, buy the bulk stuff and don't look back. It's cheap enough to change out and you don't have to mess around with trying to clean it.

tcoz
May 3, 2014, 09:21 PM
I've used the same batch of corn cob media for between 3000 and 5000 pieces of pistol brass and it cleans as good today as it did on day one. One used dryer sheet cut into fourths and a few drops of brass Polish is all that it takes.

mugsie
May 3, 2014, 09:53 PM
Well, looked up the walnut media on harbor freight, do I use fine or medium grade?
They offer both types.

IMtheNRA
May 3, 2014, 10:01 PM
I had the same experience with Zilla brand walnut litter. Huge amount of dust! I ended up dumping the whole bag in the trash.

What about adding a few ounces of water to the tumbler and letting it run about an hour? It worked for my current batch of very dusty corn media.

tcoz
May 3, 2014, 10:05 PM
Well, looked up the walnut media on harbor freight, do I use fine or medium grade?
They offer both types.

I use medium grade. Since I tumble before depriming, the fine would get stuck in the primer pockets.

bds
May 3, 2014, 10:05 PM
Fine grit.

Harbor Freight sells fine/coarse grit. Coarse grit will stick in the flash hole - http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=walnut+blast+shell+media

rcmodel
May 3, 2014, 10:16 PM
This is as good as it gets.

http://www.petco.com/product/102881/Zilla-Ground-English-Walnut-Shells-Reptile-Bedding.aspx

rc

IMtheNRA
May 3, 2014, 10:19 PM
^ that's the stuff that produced an appalling amount of dust!

rcmodel
May 3, 2014, 10:24 PM
Well, that's interesting?

I've used it for years and never a trace of excess dust.

You wouldn't want your Lizard inhaling excess dust in bed, now would you?

Did you add any liquid polish to it before using it?
(New Finish car polish, commercial case polish, etc, to hold down the dust formation)

I have never tried any kind of media completely dry!

Rc

Potatohead
May 3, 2014, 10:31 PM
I've had much more success with the Lizard stuff than I have with the actual "reloading" media from Gander or Cabelas.

Don McDowell
May 3, 2014, 10:36 PM
Being a cheap SOB, rather than purchasing tumbling media from cabelas or midway or some other place, a corncob media specifically designed for tumbling brass, I bought some bird / lizard litter from a pet store.

I placed a bunch of 308 in there and let 'era rip for a few hours. When I came back to remove my nice shiny brass, what I found was dust, lots and lots of dust coated brass!

First of all, was I being too cheap in trying to use the lizard litter? Was it the same stuff as what midway sells as corncob media? Is there any easy way of removing all the dust other than dumping everything out and hosing it off, then letting it dry for a few days?

Should I just dump it all, buy the "right stuff" and do it all over again? It seems to me, every time I try to take a short cut or save some money, it either takes longer or costs more!

Ideas? Comments?

Thanks....
Yup I read all the glowing reports of that stuff on the internet also....
Dump it , count it as an inexpensive lesson in cutting corners, and get ahold of some Lyman, RCBS, Midway, Cabela's, etc corncob media and clean your cases.

BYJO4
May 3, 2014, 10:49 PM
I've always used Lyman corncob media with excellent results. No need to add anything to it and a 6 lb container will clean 10,000 to 12,000 rounds. The cost is minimal for the volume that it does along with the results that I get.

bds
May 3, 2014, 10:52 PM
I think pet store litter varies in quality/amount of dust from lot to lot, hence difference in experience by different members.

Most commercial ground walnut shells I have used in past years meant for tumbling created very little dust. Harbor Freight blasting media is clean and generates almost no dust.

twofifty
May 3, 2014, 11:07 PM
don't cheap out and use just any old dryer sheet.
Get the Birchwood-Casey branded ones. ;)

tightgroup tiger
May 3, 2014, 11:26 PM
I've used the same batch of corn cob media for between 3000 and 5000 pieces of pistol brass and it cleans as good today as it did on day one. One used dryer sheet cut into fourths and a few drops of brass Polish is all that it takes.

I changed my RCBS walnut media out about 20 years ago, it was 20yrs old then and the 20 yrear old media I'm using now is still working fine. I quit using corncob completely. I tumble all my loaded pistol ammo in it also, you would think extra weight of the bullet would grind the stuff right up but it never has. I use a rotary though which is much more efficient than a vibrator.

mbopp
May 3, 2014, 11:32 PM
Zilla walnut media here along with cut-up, 1X used dryer sheets. The dust will go away after a few uses.

TooManyToys
May 4, 2014, 02:36 AM
You can get rid of most of the dust with a plastic bag & a large bucket.

Cut a little off the corner of a plastic bag filled with your tumbling media to form a small hole.
While standing several feet above your bucket, let it slowly pour out of the bag into the bucket.
If you do this with a very slight breeze in the air, the fine dust will separate and drift away as the larger particles drop in the bucket. Repeat if necessary.
This will remove the majority of the fine dust. (Do this outside of course)
Dryer sheets as mentioned above will help with what little dust still remains.

hoghunting
May 4, 2014, 02:37 AM
If you have the Yellow pages phone book or search the online Yellow pages, look up "abrasives" as you can get 50# bags of walnut or corn cob media extremely cheap. Just add your own polish and you're in business.

mugsie
May 4, 2014, 09:01 AM
Ok, so I guess I need to get the dust out of the media prior to using it, well, as much dust as possible. Then the stuff already tumbled, i need to clean that again and maybe add a little nu-finish car wax to it, some dryer sheets and retumble. Whew! Seems like a lot more work using this shortcut. It is the Zilla stuff, and it's like desert sand after a good tumbling. The Lyman was dump it into the tumbler, add cases, turn on and wha-la, nice shiny brass.

Now that I've got this stuff, and because as I already said, I'm a cheap SOB, I'll clean what I can and try to make it work. Somehow I see me purchasing the Lyman stuff again though. So much for the $10 experiment.

Blue68f100
May 4, 2014, 10:16 AM
The least amount of dust will come from actual blast media. Pet bedding is all the scrap left over from processing. Which means all of the good usable media is gone. Blast media is not expensive and comes in larger bags. Harbor Freight carries the Walnut hulls at a very cheap price. I use a 50/50 mix of 20/40 corncob and walnut hulls. I only need to run the tumbler for 2 hrs max. I do add the NuFinish polish to the mix along with strips of paper towels or a few cleaning patches.

Normally a bag will last you for years.

tcoz
May 4, 2014, 10:42 AM
Forgive me guys, but it seems like some people go to a lot of extra effort and expense to make their cases look like they just came off the production line or to save a few bucks amortized over months. I just don't have the space to store a 50lb bag of media that'll take me a few years to use and my cases that are simply tumbled with Lyman corncob media come out looking better than production ammo cases. Just my opinion.

Average Joe
May 4, 2014, 08:51 PM
I use the Lizard litter, and a cap full of turtle wax chrome polish. If you want to cut down on the dust, drop in a few patches from you .30 caliber cleaning kit.

Sport45
May 4, 2014, 11:14 PM
This is as good as it gets.

http://www.petco.com/product/102881/...e-Bedding.aspx

rc


I use the same stuff. Straight from the bag with a splash of mineral spirits. Works fine for me and only have to buy a new bag every 5 years or so.

up 2 snuff
May 5, 2014, 12:06 AM
Put 4 lid fulls of Nu Finish car wax in with your crushed walnut shells. Keeps the dust down and puts a nice coating of wax inside and out. Brass shines nicely.

mljdeckard
May 5, 2014, 12:20 AM
I use it a lot.

A little dust doesn't seem to hurt anything. The dryer sheets help, you can also add Lyman media treatment or Nu-Finish car polish to treat it, but most of the time I just dump it in and plug it in.

Steve C
May 5, 2014, 05:08 AM
If you want your reptile litter to clean cases you have to add some case polish which reduces the dust. I use Midways case polish but have used Dillons too. Others will say you can use new finish but frankly its more expensive than the same quantity of Midways that is formulated as case polish. Midways case polish contains wax, along with an orange peal based cleaner which you can see after it sets a while and separates a bit. Look for it on sale at various times. With case polish added you won't have a dust problem.

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/198/198878.jpg

jmorris
May 5, 2014, 10:31 AM
I tried the lizard litter once and was unimpressed, went back to walnut in one and corncobb in the other. Both are not as clean as SS pins in my rotary tumbler but a lot less work for just a few cases.

WestKentucky
May 5, 2014, 11:04 AM
Harbor freight fine. I tumble after deprime then when I hand prime I check primer ports. I get a piece of walnut every 40 or 50 shells on 38/357 less on rifle and 44 mag.

Iron Sight
May 10, 2014, 08:34 PM
150 mixed 38 specials 1-1/2 hrs in my Lyman Turbo Tumbler +. 1 cap of Nu Finish car polish. Walnut hulls were new "Zilla" fresh out of the bag. Hardly any dust.

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx294/SlowWater/ZillaWalnut.jpg

http://i765.photobucket.com/albums/xx294/SlowWater/ZillaCases.jpg

newfalguy101
May 10, 2014, 08:40 PM
I have actually used plain old paper towels to "soak" up the dust, doesn't work as well as dryer sheets, but, worked well enough for me and cheap to boot!!

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