Reloading for a Budget AR


May 4, 2014, 09:40 PM
thought I'd snag an upper from PSA and mount a Mueller on it for a fun project

shot it for the second time today

200yds, stock trigger, off a bag

69gr Sierra BTHP's, Varget, range brass, Federal primers

good starting point, but certainly no bolt rifle

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May 4, 2014, 10:13 PM
Seems pretty good to me for an AR.

May 4, 2014, 10:17 PM
That is actually quite good esp. so with the wind. Keep working up with the Varget, I found with my AR's they really like it in the upper range of the load data.

May 4, 2014, 11:09 PM
My gun looks identical to yours except the scope. I love that upper. $399 and you get a bolt carrier, charging handle and a $189 Midwest Industries handguard. Mine shoots 1" at 100 yards with 26 gr of varget and a 55 vmax or 55 sp. People at the range think my gun costs alot more than it does. Since it is a 1/7 I suspect heavier bullets would shoot even better. (

May 4, 2014, 11:33 PM
I prefer H335 over Varget for my 55 gr loads.

May 4, 2014, 11:35 PM
I've heard good things about H335.

Of course, here locally I've never SEEN any, but I'd sure like to try some. :)

May 6, 2014, 03:57 PM
NOW we're gettin' somewhere! Windy today, but the budget AR shot a great group at 200yds. Of course, there had to be the obligatory flier. :o

I do believe I have found a load it likes - 77gr Sierra BTHP over 24.7gr of Varget.

May 6, 2014, 04:02 PM
My budget red dot AR only gets Hornady 55gr FMJ-BT over H335.

It looks like you have about a 2" group at 200 yrds in wind which is very nice for any AR not costing 2K+

May 6, 2014, 04:06 PM

Without the dadgum flier it was .71".:o

Better than the 1.5" I shot the first time out.

May 6, 2014, 06:45 PM
How full are the cases using Varget? We tried some with 55 gr bullets and LC brass and the case was plum full......

May 6, 2014, 08:19 PM
FULL! It will crunch a bit when you seat the bullet. Perfectly normal.

May 6, 2014, 08:27 PM
Thats dang fine shootin', allowed by dang fine loadin'.

5 shot groups are quite the pain- 3 shot groups have been getting a new breath of air thanks to Taliv- I suggest you do some additional reading and not beat yourself up so bad !

Well done.

May 6, 2014, 08:35 PM
Thank you....improved trigger and no wind should tell the tale.

And next time I'll quit at 4! :)

May 6, 2014, 09:15 PM
Doc, dont feel bad. For 200 yards not bad at all. shoot 5, but the closest 3 are a bit more indicative of the gun's capabilities I always felt anyway, sort of eliminates the flyers that just are not the gun's fault.


May 6, 2014, 10:13 PM
What is the diameter of the red circle?

May 6, 2014, 11:32 PM
red circle is less than an 1.5"

I measured the group of four by following someone's instructions to set the calipers at .224, the diameter of the bullet.

It came about to a little less than 3/4 of an inch, but I'm not gonna split hairs until I get a better trigger and shoot in something besides a lay'em-down wind like the last two or three days. :o

May 7, 2014, 12:33 AM
Are you using a Lead Sled or something similar?

May 7, 2014, 08:28 PM
I wish I did have one of those sled things.

All I have to work with is this front rest and a small bag which I put under the pistol grip.

Not real stable, but better than nothing.

May 8, 2014, 09:46 PM
My RRA Varmit doesn't shoot much better than that. Those are some good groups. Your loads seems heavy. Are you showing a signs of high pressure?

May 8, 2014, 10:36 PM

not sure what to look for other than a bulge in the lower part of the case and primers not looking "normal"?

I'm inspecting my brass after I shoot and before I tumble.

May 8, 2014, 10:42 PM
my stupid psa rifle outshot my rra predator pursuit. and they both outshot my bolt guns. I don't like the AR platform much, but you can't argue with the results.

May 10, 2014, 11:19 AM
Barrel length?

May 10, 2014, 01:37 PM

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