Boker Kwaiken (pic heavy)


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Vonderek
May 5, 2014, 09:54 PM
ALthough not needing or able to afford a new knife, on a late-night whim I ordered a Boker Kwaiken from knifecenter.com. As usual, their service was impeccable and a couple of days later the knife arrived in the mail
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/dreamcatchermedia/Knives/Kwaiken1.jpg
I was surprised by the size of it and the weight. Even though it has titanium scales, the liners are thick and the whole thing is a fairly beefy package...not that I mind that, it was just unexpected. Upon examination, the blade was pretty well centered, fit and finish was good for a production folder.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/dreamcatchermedia/Knives/Kwaiken2.jpg
The pocket clip was smaller than I am used to but works well.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/dreamcatchermedia/Knives/Kwaiken3.jpg
The action is smooth but the angle of the contour on the flipper is such that somehow I found a sharp edge on a scale or liner and got a nice cut in the pad of my index finger (I am a klutz and am happy that I did not drop this one this time.) Unlike other flippers I have, I have found the Kwaiken operates more smoothly if I use the first joint in my index finger rather than the pad of my finger.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/dreamcatchermedia/Knives/Kwaiken5.jpg
THis knife came super sharp. Probably the sharpest out of the box in recent memory. For some reason I thought it was 440C when I ordered it. I think because I was looking at various knives in the middle of the night I confused it with another.
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k98/dreamcatchermedia/Knives/Kwaiken4.jpg
Conclusion: I probably paid too much for an AUS8 knife. On the plus side, AUS8 is super easy to sharpen and for common tasks this knife will do all right. It's fun to flip, it's razor sharp, and it looks nice. Would I buy it again? I don't know but life is short and I am happy with what I have.

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Sam Cade
May 5, 2014, 10:26 PM
The action is smooth but the angle of the contour on the flipper is such that somehow I found a sharp edge on a scale or liner and got a nice cut in the pad of my index finger.

There are user reports of folks cutting themselves with this knife because the edge is so close to the spine side of the grip when closed.
That might be what happened.

liontribe
May 16, 2014, 03:53 PM
i always worry about that when i make kwaiken designs. i have incorporated a little choil or finger groove to the models i make. breaks up the line of the knife, but i think it is worth it for safety's sake.

liontribe

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/NicholaiHel/Liontribe%20Blades/DroverandTigershark001_zps9413e25b.jpg (http://s575.photobucket.com/user/NicholaiHel/media/Liontribe%20Blades/DroverandTigershark001_zps9413e25b.jpg.html)

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/ss192/NicholaiHel/Liontribe%20Blades/ShibumiMicro014_zps29c0bd95.jpg (http://s575.photobucket.com/user/NicholaiHel/media/Liontribe%20Blades/ShibumiMicro014_zps29c0bd95.jpg.html)

Vonderek
May 18, 2014, 03:12 PM
There are user reports of folks cutting themselves with this knife because the edge is so close to the spine side of the grip when closed.
That might be what happened.
Upon closer examination of the knife I think this is exactly what happened. The tip of my finger slid off the flipper and pressed hard into the spine and into the blade edge. Takes a bit of the comfort factor away from using this knife. If I use the joint of the index finger it clears the spine but in a hurry and using my finger tip I run the risk of another cut.

Deltaboy
May 18, 2014, 04:27 PM
Well built looking knife.

Sam Cade
May 18, 2014, 05:04 PM
Upon closer examination of the knife I think this is exactly what happened.

Well darn. :(

Could be worse though. The non-flipper versions had a detent issue where the blade could flop around enough in the "closed" position to allow the tip of the knife to protrude. :eek:

Yo Mama
May 19, 2014, 10:00 AM
Am I the only one excited that Liontribe is still around?!?! Great looking blades as always man!

RussellC
May 19, 2014, 10:23 AM
What's wrong with AUS8? I would rather have that than 440c, which I consider a "cheaper" knife material, others mileage may vary....

Russellc

Sam Cade
May 19, 2014, 10:34 AM
There isn't enough difference between AUS8 and 440C for me to worry about performance wise.
Especially since actual performance is predicated on heat treatment.

liontribe
May 19, 2014, 02:28 PM
i have always thought the same thing about 440c, if the heat treat is correct, it is a fine steel. too many cheap imports with marginal HT gave it a bad name. thanks, Yo Mama, i have been super busy lately. finally got a chance to pop in and visit.

liontribe

RussellC
May 19, 2014, 09:29 PM
i have always thought the same thing about 440c, if the heat treat is correct, it is a fine steel. too many cheap imports with marginal HT gave it a bad name. thanks, Yo Mama, i have been super busy lately. finally got a chance to pop in and visit.

liontribe
Bingo. Had several knives I consider inexpensive with 440c, difficult to keep razor sharp. My knives with AUS8 will shave you. Ditto D-2 blades on my Benchmade knives. I simply will not buy 440c. Again, my opinion and others mileage may vary. There are ALWAYS exceptions I am certain, I just am not going there with all the superior knife steels available.

As for the Kwaiken, I dont like knives that are so thin and sleek at least for weapon/SD purposes. Have seen to many hacked up hands where an attempt to stab resulted in the hand sliding off the handle and down the blade. For slashing this wouldnt be a problem so much, but for a defense knife I want something I can hold onto, like My Benchmade 2750 Adamus, or those shown by liontribe...especially the first one! beautiful work. As for a carry "pocket knife" it really wouldnt matter in this regard. Again, just my opinion and nothing more.

Russellc

Vonderek
May 22, 2014, 01:42 PM
Well, I really wanted to like this knife. But after a second nasty cut…this time on the pad of my thumb…caused by me pushing the closed knife into my pocket I have decided to return it. The design of it truly is poor…placing the edge of the blade too close to the open spine with nothing between the sharp edge and the flesh of your fingertips.

Sam Cade
May 22, 2014, 01:53 PM
That is a shame that Boker keeps borking the design up.

liontribe
May 22, 2014, 09:05 PM
i understand that a small guard or choil like i use, messes up the lines of the design. but man, you gotta do something or you get cut all the time just trying to use your knife. i can't imagine doing much push cutting with that boker. you would look like you washed your hands with razor blades after a few slips.

liontribe

ugaarguy
May 23, 2014, 01:09 AM
liontribe, I don't think the lack of choil is the problem. The handle on Boker's Kwaiken is so short top to bottom that people are cutting themselves with the knife closed because the edge of blade is basically resting on the spine of the handle.

liontribe
May 23, 2014, 01:55 AM
ahh, if that is the case, that is probably a worse problem.

liontribe

chiltech500
May 23, 2014, 02:56 PM
Liontribe do you sell knives?

Sam Cade
May 23, 2014, 06:24 PM
Liontribe do you sell knives?

Indeed he does:

http://liontribedesigns.com/

SuperNaut
May 24, 2014, 09:16 PM
Well, I really wanted to like this knife. But after a second nasty cut…this time on the pad of my thumb…caused by me pushing the closed knife into my pocket I have decided to return it. The design of it truly is poor…placing the edge of the blade too close to the open spine with nothing between the sharp edge and the flesh of your fingertips.
Maybe it is a good platform for some mods, add a full length spine? I bet a slightly raised, textured spine would improve grip a bit, and look cool too.

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