Hunting rifle question


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armoredman
May 7, 2014, 01:21 PM
Now that's a wide open field, isn't it? Let's narrow it down bit. My question centers around what might be known as a traditional hunting rifle, generally a medium to large caliber, bolt action scoped rifle.
Over the many years, some of these rifles have been manufactured with detachable magazines, and some old battle rifles, like the venerable Enfield SMLE pattern rifles have been utilized as hunting rifles. I bring up the Lee Enfield for a reason, and here is the centerpiece of the question - with rifles like the Mossberg MVP and the Ruger Gunsite Scout coming on to the scene, I wonder this question;
Many states restrict the number of rounds in a SEMI-AUTO rifle for hunting purposes, (Arizona is no longer has any magazine limit for hunting, so this question is really academic for me), but how many states limit the number of rounds you can have in a BOLT ACTION rifle strictly for hunting? I realize it's kind of an oddball question - most hunters have been pretty complacent with a 5 round limit, simply because flush fit internal magazines rarely hold more than five rounds, but there have been exceptions. I'm one of those weird guys that likes to have options, and one option I like is a few more rounds on tap, especially hunting Southern AZ where some times the game trails are also smuggler trails, and being shot AT becomes a real, though distant possibility. Fortunately, like I said, our laws have been changed to allow that self defense option now.:cool:
So, leaving the politics and "Why the heck would you WANT THAT type questions aside, how many states do restrict bolt action hunting rifle capacity, just for academic purposes?

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Geno
May 7, 2014, 01:37 PM
Michigan has a 6-round limit, for centerfire rifle, ie .270 Win. I don't recall the restriction when hunting with a carbine chambered in pistol cartridges such as .357 Mag. Rifles in .22LR used for small game have no limits.

Agsalaska
May 7, 2014, 01:42 PM
I am 99% sure Texas does not.

armoredman
May 7, 2014, 02:06 PM
I read that somewhere as well, Agsalaska. :)
Thanks, Geno.
Anyone else?

dprice3844444
May 7, 2014, 02:19 PM
geno,on the 6 rd limit,is that for bolts,semi,or both?

ldlfh7
May 7, 2014, 02:19 PM
Missouri only restricts "self loading rifles" at 11 rounds.
Nothing mentioned about bolt or lever guns.

MtnCreek
May 7, 2014, 02:26 PM
GA has no mag limits for rifles; semi-auto, bolt action or otherwise. Shotguns are limited to 3rds total, except for large game and they have to be 5 total or less.

natman
May 7, 2014, 03:08 PM
California:
FIREARMS: It is always unlawful to:
...Use, for the taking of any game bird or game mammal, a shotgun capable of holding more than three shells in the magazine and chamber combined

I can't find any other mention of magazine capacity.

jmr40
May 7, 2014, 03:43 PM
GA has no mag limits for rifles; semi-auto, bolt action or otherwise. Shotguns are limited to 3rds total, except for large game and they have to be 5 total or less.

Correct, but still a screw up by our state legislature. There has not been any mention of mag capacity for rifles, (at least for as long as I've been hunting), but there was always the 3 round limit for shotguns. GA just followed the guidelines for migratory birds and applied it to all shotgunning. The guys who were big game hunting with shotguns were technically illegal if they removed their plugs, but I've never known it to be enforced.

It was game wardens who pushed to have that silly requirement removed. No reason for rifle hunters to be able to have 5 or more rounds while shotgun hunters were limited to 3. The way the law is worded it is still technically illegal to remove the plug on Mossberg 500's and some others since they are 5+1 capacity.

You mention the Ruger scout rifle. It is not ideal in my mind, but one of the things I like about it is the ability to purchase 3, 5 or 10 round magazines for it. For normal hunting I don't like the large mags that protrude far below the stock. At least with this gun you have options to be legal anywhere with the 3 and 5 round mags. The 10 round mag is available if wanted.

Grumulkin
May 7, 2014, 03:59 PM
The way it is in Ohio:

1. For a long time and even now, shotguns are limited to 3 rounds total including the one in the chamber when used for deer hunting or for hunting migratory birds. For nuisance animals there is no limit for shotguns.

2. No limits on the number of rounds in a handgun but only straight walled cases are allowed of 357 caliber or greater for deer hunting.

3. This year for the first time in a long time, rifles fireing only specific straight walled cartridges will be allowed for deer hunting. Hunters are limited to one round in the chamber plus two in a magazine. Magazine plugs are not required; the number of rounds in the gun will be on the honor system (I hope that works). There is no limit on the number of rounds in rifles used for hunting animals other than deer.

improperlyaged
May 7, 2014, 04:28 PM
As far as I know, Arkansas has no mag limits on rifles. Of course we do on shotguns but I think that is federal. Don't know as I am no duck hunter.

Geno
May 7, 2014, 04:37 PM
dprice3844444:

That applies to any centerfire rifle cartridges, be it a bolt-action, semi-auto, or pump-action. In non-hunting, you can have whatever capacity you want. But, in the field, during deer season, 6 is the limit (1 in the chamber, 5 in the magazine).

Geno

armoredman
May 7, 2014, 04:40 PM
The 3 round limit for migratory waterfowl is indeed, federal, since it's the only limit we have on us now. Which means this shotgun can't be used for duck hunting here in AZ.

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I can and have used it for bunny, though.

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BUT, the question wasn't about shotguns, (but thanks for giving me an excuse to show off my CZ 712 Utility!), but bolt action rifles like my CZ 527M/CSR,

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Imagine it with a ten round magazine...I wish someone MADE a ten rounder for it, but you get the point. :D Where would it be legal, and where would it be illegal for hunting?

Robert
May 7, 2014, 09:01 PM
I am 99% sure CO has a limit but I'd have to dig out my book to find the answer. My 375H&H only holds 3 in the mag anyway so I am good. I think the limit is 5.

cmdrdredd
May 7, 2014, 09:09 PM
In Florida

Migratory game birds: Shotguns (not larger than 10-gauge) plugged to a three-shell capacity including a one-piece filler that cannot be removed without disassembling the gun and are incapable of holding more than three shells in the magazine and chamber combined, birds of prey, bows and crossbows may be used.

Under prohibited methods of taking game (from state regulations)
Centerfire semi-automatic rifles having magazine capacities of more than five rounds when hunting deer
Nonexpanding full metal case (military ball) ammunition for taking deer
Firearms using rimfire cartridges for taking deer
Rifles or pistols for taking migratory game birds
Fully automatic or silencer-equipped firearms

I see nothing of note about bolt action or single shot rifles. Additionally I am told that for hogs the magazine limit does not apply and only deer is specified but the WMA regulations states that semi-auto over 5 rounds is prohibited period. There is a little bit of contradiction or lack of clarity between these. So I would error on the side of caution and limit myself to 5 rounds regardless.

hoghunting
May 8, 2014, 01:22 AM
I am 99% sure Texas does not.

I am 100% sure that Texas does not have any State magazine restrictions for rifles or pistols.

1911 guy
May 8, 2014, 01:46 AM
I have only hunted in four states, but every state in my experience that has a round limit takes no issue with action type. X number of rounds allowed, does not matter if rifle is a bolt gun, pump gun, autoloader, etc. I've hunted Ohio, W.Va, Va. and Pa.

Davek1977
May 8, 2014, 06:14 AM
In South Dakota, there is a 6 round restriction on semi-auto rifles, but no restrictions on capacity for anything else other than migratory game.

longknife12
May 8, 2014, 08:49 AM
I am 99% sure CO has a limit but I'd have to dig out my book to find the answer. My 375H&H only holds 3 in the mag anyway so I am good. I think the limit is 5.
Rob, only comment I can find is SA rifles are limited to 6 rounds including in chamber.
Dan

MCgunner
May 8, 2014, 10:16 AM
I am 99% sure Texas does not.

You are correct. Texas has never had magazine restrictions. There's no logical reason for it, but then, there are lots of states where logic seems to be outlawed in their state houses. There are lots of hog hunters in Texas intent on wiping out herds with ARs, even shooting from helicopters. It's all legal. Personally, I'm heliphobic, ain't gettin' ME in one of those contraptions! :D

I only carry rifles with magazines that fit flush with the stock, though, carry much better in the field, my lever action .357 magnum excepted. Now THERE's a handy little field rifle that holds 10 magnums in the magazine. :D

I hunt with a muzzle loader a lot, though, but in TEXAS, you have personal freedom of choice!

MCgunner
May 8, 2014, 10:20 AM
Rob, only comment I can find is SA rifles are limited to 6 rounds including in chamber.
Dan

Seems odd that they would eliminate the quintessential American deer rifle, the .30-30 lever rifle which IIRC hold 6 in the mag depending on barrel/magazine length.

Oh, SA rifles. Well, state that restricts all rifles to 5 rounds in the mag would eliminate the .30-30, probably why some allow 6 rounds in the mag instead of 5.

buck460XVR
May 8, 2014, 11:52 AM
Hard to comprehend a mag limit on a bolt gun. The design and the action both tend to limit the effective usefulness of the mag capacity in civilian firearms. Probably one reason they are so seldom addressed. Seems long extended mags projecting below the stock would be in the way for working the action plus be in the way when using a rest for extended ranges. That and the platform itself is just meant for a more controlled fire. For a bolt action with detachable mags, I would rather carry more mags with me that fit flush, than one mag that hangs ten inches below the stock. Maybe it's just me.

Bobson
May 8, 2014, 02:51 PM
In Washington state:

No magazine limit on any type of firearm, except the Federal 3-round limit for shotguns when hunting migratory waterfowl.

ugaarguy
May 8, 2014, 07:17 PM
Georgia has no limit on any rifle magazine capacity.

armoredman
May 8, 2014, 08:41 PM
buck460XVR, call me weird, I don't mind. :cool: It's just a question about the various states laws.

buck460XVR
May 8, 2014, 10:25 PM
buck460XVR, call me weird, I don't mind. :cool: It's just a question about the various states laws.

Nuttin' weird about it. Good topic of conversation too.

bldsmith
May 11, 2014, 07:04 PM
Oregon has the 5rd Semi Auto limit but no mention of a limit for other actions. Yes we have the 3rd shotgun since it is a fed law.

WestKentucky
May 11, 2014, 07:32 PM
Kentucky shotgun is 3 total for all hunting. For deer, there is a limit which I think is 7 because a 5 rd AR mag is pretty valuable around deer season.

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