[Gary H]

Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, wrote "it is permissible to mutliate the dead only in case of retaliation."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37876

[Harry Tuttle]

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier.
- Rudyard Kipling

[Drjones]

No, but its a peaceful religion...

And yeah, let's let them share this planet with us.

[Mr. Clark]

Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research, wrote "it is permissible to mutliate the dead only in case of retaliation."

I bet he changes his mind when the Marines come kocking on his door.

Not that they would do it, but there is no reason to make him think otherwise.
:evil:

[Iain]

Well his organisation are based in the UK I am ashamed to say. You can have him though.

[Gary H]

Must we take him? No thanks. England and to a greater extent France seem to have a large radical Islamic faction(s).

[Iain]

I wouldn't say large. There are some true radicals, and plenty of muslims. I'm only worried about one of those groups.

[Justin]

No, but its a peaceful religion...

And yeah, let's let them share this planet with us.

When I was in high school, during my senior year, I drove a foreign exchange student to and from school every day. She was a Muslim from Jakarta, and a genuinely civil, sweet person.

I even knew a couple of Muslims in college, and not once did they whip out a scimitar, bellow something about Jihad, and try to kill me.

:rolleyes:

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

but its a peaceful religion...

Put it to rest. Salam is peace. Islam is submission. Same root, different meaning. So this "religion of peace" crap is smoke up a camel's butt.

If anyone wondered, see the Hans-Wehr Arabic-English dictionary :uhoh:

[Marko Kloos]

No, but its a peaceful religion...

And yeah, let's let them share this planet with us.

Funny thing to say on a board that's run on a Muslim's hardware, financed by the same Muslim.

So, you going to abuse his hospitality some more by lumping him in with savage terrorists, or are you going to quit this board and start up your own muslim-free version?

[Quick Draw McGraw]

Your point is well-taken (at least by me), Justin.
Marko, you are of course correct, as well. I would be interested to hear your (as well as others') response to the following thoughts...

In my mind, the "Jihadist Muslims" and the "Peaceful Muslims" (for lack of better terms) do not follow the same religion.

To me, religion is any doctrine/beliefs that is used as a guide for one's life. I won't go in to whether or not the Koran and Hadith instruct violence, as I'm not as knowledgable about it as I should probably be to argue it, and I'm admittedly biased.

It seems indisputable to me that the "Jihadist Muslims" adhere to violent teachings.

It also is quite obvious that there are many Muslims (the majority of Muslim-Americans, at least, which are the only Muslims with which I've had personal contact) that teach and hold beliefs that are directly contradictory to the teachings of the "jihadist Muslims." I consider these folk "Peaceful Muslims." I have known many such "Peaceful Muslims" in my short life, and although I personally believe that they are mistaken, many of them are probably better people than I. {edited to add: I don't mean the previous statement to imply any "holier than though" connotation in any way. I simply mean that despite our differing beliefs, I do not look upon them as bad people, nor do I feel that I am a better person than they...}

The reasons above are why I consider the completely opposite teachings to be two different religions. I suggest we come up with better nomenclature for our ease of discussion. I suggest:

Muslims = "Peaceful Muslims"
Poopy-heads = "Jihadist Muslims" (I'm open to suggestions on this one...)

Anyway, with my nomenclature now in place, I will continue. I know what people mean when they say that we shouldn't let this degrade into a "religious war." I submit, however, that that's exactly what this is. I also submit, that we are not the ones who make it a religious war. Is it not poopy-head (see above) doctrine to kill all Jews and Americans? Could you go so far as to say that the poopy-heads believe it is their duty before their god to either convert or kill EVERYONE? I have read and watched evidence that supports the two previous statements numerous times (UBL's fatwa, right? Is that when he made all American citizens fair game?), and in light of this, how is this not a religious war? Is it not the very teaching of their (the poopy-heads) religion that calls them to fight infidels everywhere?

What are your reactions to this? Am I a bigot? Is this discriminatory? Is this an inaccurate assessment?

Finally, I know that Christianity has been the cause of many atrocities, but I think that there is a fundamental difference in the teachings of the Bible (In this case, I mean Christian as one who believes in the Old and New Testaments, nothing more and nothing less) than that of the poopy-head doctrine. Basically, I don't put my faith in Christianity, I put my faith in Christ. (End of disclaimer)

Ok, tell me what you think...

[R.H. Lee]

Funny thing to say on a board that's run on a Muslim's hardware, financed by the same Muslim.


Oleg Volk is a Muslim? I thought he was a Libertarian :confused:

.........hey, that' s great sig.......

[Quick Draw McGraw]

All the mods pitch in some, I'm pretty sure.

I'm also pretty sure that Oleg would back Marko here (and most everywhere else)...

Just a wild guess...

[Bruce H]

It is far easier to set here and complain about their clergy while ignoring the Jesse Jacksons and the Fred Phelps we have here. If you think for one minute they wouldn't pull the same stunts, given the chance, guess again. Hate is hate I don't care what you cloak it with.

[fmjcafe]

So, the Sheikh thinks it`s ok to mutilate corpses, huh? If it were up to me, Allah would puke when he meets this guy in person. Same goes for the rest of the poopy heads.....

[TaurusCIA]

The problem is with terrorists regardless of their religion/race.

And just as every professing Christian is not the same (some radical terrorists, some passive apologists) neither are all Muslims the same. Lets keep our eyes focused on the War on Terror and not the race or religion of those involved. When they use their religious/race affiliation to justify their actions then address that argument and not the religion/race as a whole.

[pax]

Bruce H nailed it.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18458

pax

Heaven have mercy on us all -- Presbyterians and Pagans alike -- for we are all somehow dreadfully cracked about the head, and sadly need mending. – Herman Melville

[XLMiguel]

Heh. Can't quite grasp where mutilating the dead accomplishes 'retailation'? Seems kinda like name calling - says more about the 'name caller' that the object of the epithet, eh?

I remeber back in the early `80's, when Pat Robertson (nice Baptist feller)was running for President and he was bragging about praying away a hurricane that was threatening VA Beach. Never mind that the same Hurricane headed Nawrth and ripped across Long Island and into Connecticut, killing 30-40 people (but, hell, they's just godless Yankee secularists and had it comin', right?) There are too many idiots that do stupidity in His Name, I trust they'll pay sooner of later.

I particularly enjoyed the bumper sticker that showed up after Sept 11 'bout how 'It's not the Marines job to do God's job in judgment, but they're happy to arrange the introduction'.:D

[Gary H]

I think that the backlash against Muslims living in the West comes about because the non-Muslim population would prefer to see Western Muslims at the forefront of folks trying to put the radicals to rest, but it seems that they are more or less silent. I recognize that this is not in total. It's a matter of perception. From what I understand locally, the more radical sorts have been supported by the Saudis and their more fundamentalist/radical viewpoint may intimidate others into silence. How accurate is this picture?

[Quick Draw McGraw]

The problem is with terrorists regardless of their religion/race.

And just as every professing Christian is not the same (some radical terrorists, some passive apologists) neither are all Muslims the same. Lets keep our eyes focused on the War on Terror and not the race or religion of those involved. When they use their religious/race affiliation to justify their actions then address that argument and not the religion/race as a whole.

Your point that all muslims are not the same is of course valid and well-taken.

I guess what I'm saying is that it sure seems that the poopy-heads not only use their religion to justify their actions, but claim that their religion is the driving force behind their actions.

That sure sounds like violent teaching to me.

Once again, that is why I made my little nomenclature distinction between muslims and poopy-heads. I agree that a blanket statement saying that Islam as a whole is a violent religion is incorrect and unfounded. I still hold, however, that the religious teachings of the poopy-heads are violent.

As for the problem being with terrorism and not religion/race, I see nothing wrong with that statement. I agree. But, I also feel that the poopy-head religion (ONCE AGAIN, NOT A BLANKET STATEMENT AGAINST MUSLIMS!) encourages said terrorism.

[TheBluesMan]

Boy...

Religion, racism, thread veer, off topic.

There are so many reasons, and only one "closed" button...

:mad: