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SC_Dave
June 20, 2014, 08:11 AM
After hundreds of dollars spent, maybe close to a 1000.00 I have come to the conclusion that their is no comfortable AIWB holster for fat guys. I guess someone will tell me to loose weight and I'm trying, I really am. But, at 59 it not that easy anymore. I'm 6'2 at 350. I have tried carrying at 3,4 and 5 o'clock, no good for me. I like appendix carry. I have tried so many holsters I'd have to pour them out of the box I keep them in to list them here. I believe I am looking for something that does not exist. Options and opinions welcome.
David

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JTQ
June 20, 2014, 09:55 AM
I think you're probably right, a guy with your dimensions may not be able to carry AIWB. Likewise, a slim guy, may not be able to AIWB a 5" barreled gun, if he is short. These are probably physical limitations that may not be able to be overcome.

On the other hand, while you may not prefer, or find them particularly comfortable, I'm sure there are other clock positions or carry positions that would work.

The Bushmaster
June 20, 2014, 10:07 AM
A slightly uncomfortable IWB holster will keep reminding you that you
ARE carrying. I figured that real early in the prosess.

I carry a Mod 19 S&W 2 1/2" AIWB quite comfortably. I realize I'm not your size. I'm 5' 7" and 155 lbs and mostly carry a Kimber UCC II in .45 ACP at 4:30 IWB.

weblance
June 20, 2014, 01:01 PM
Im 6', 340. I hate wearing belts. I have no butt, so keeping my pants up IS a problem. Ive been carrying for 3 years now, and tried several ideas. I finally gave up on a larger pistol and bought a Kel-Tec P32. I pocket carry the .32, and use suspenders to keep my pants up. I dont like the look of suspenders, so I wear them under my shirt.

Its not ideal. I dont want to ever get into a gunfight with just the .32, but Im not comfortable with anything else.

Old Dog
June 20, 2014, 01:50 PM
Funny, just yesterday I was thinking of starting a thread titled about appendix IWB carry stating emphatically that I just can't do it ...

I'm not fat, just a middle-aged dude who cannot get used to having a muzzle pointed at my groin, femoral artery or digging into me when I sit down. I've tried AIWB with loose pants, tight(er) pants, higher-waisted pants, trendy pants that ride low, etc. Nothing works for me with regard to this carry mode. I've tried 3" to 4" barreled autos, no joy.

Also, years of drawing from my side or slightly behind my hip have made a draw from appendix carry feel awkward as hell for me.

I'm sticking with IWB of a normal-size (4" - 5" barrel) handgun at 3:30 - 4:00 and OWB carry.

Elm Creek Smith
June 20, 2014, 02:54 PM
I can't AIWB carry either - too much scar tissue from operations. In fact, I don't really like any IWB carry. I'm just over 5'8" and just under 200 lbs and dropping. I open carry using retention holsters or pocket carry my leetle revolvers.

Hossfly72
June 21, 2014, 04:13 PM
I was 315lbs and now I'm down to 225 (with lots of beefy muscles now too! ;).
I'm facing just the opposite problem. I find it difficult to dress in a way that allows me to carry IWB without my fashion screaming, "GUN!!!!" Or feeling that I look like a cheap Magnum P.I. knockoff. I can carry my P-11 if I have an older T-shirt on but for anything that doesn't embarrass my wife to be seen in public with me, I'm SOL. On the bright side, I have noticed that the zombie apocalypse is actually here and most people are too absorbed in Honey Boo Boo or their iPhone to actually notice anything. They're in their own little world and you could walk naked down the street carrying a desert eagle in between your butt cheeks before they'll freak out.

bainter1212
June 21, 2014, 04:16 PM
I only have a moderate gut (5'9" 190) and I can't carry AIWB at all. The gun pushes into my gut (or privates).
I carry comfortably IWB at 3 o'clock. I wear suspenders under my shirt because my butt is disappearing fast. Keeps everything in place.

tmoore912
June 24, 2014, 12:46 PM
5'11" 215# I carry AIWB with a HK P30. I use a gun belt and spare mag in khakis, jeans or shorts.

hardluk1
June 24, 2014, 06:06 PM
Sent ya a PM

Arkansas Paul
June 24, 2014, 06:31 PM
I've given up on IWB carry. I'm a big guy too. 5'8" and 240 pounds. I need to get my butt in gear and drop 60 pounds but until then carrying is an issue.

BSA1
June 24, 2014, 08:18 PM
How about a belly band holster?

In summer wear a Hawaiian style shirt untucked. In winter under a sweatshirt or hoodie.

Schwing
June 24, 2014, 09:34 PM
^^^
I strongly agree. I am 5' 10" and 250. These and pocket carry are my standard methods after years of discomfort.

huntsman
June 24, 2014, 09:50 PM
I believe I am looking for something that does not exist. Options and opinions welcome.

pocket carry gun.

BCRider
June 24, 2014, 10:08 PM
I've got no help for you but....

....On the bright side, I have noticed that the zombie apocalypse is actually here and most people are too absorbed in Honey Boo Boo or their iPhone to actually notice anything. They're in their own little world and you could walk naked down the street carrying a desert eagle in between your butt cheeks before they'll freak out.

... made me laugh until my eyes watered and it took me 3 or 4 minutes to calm down so I could type this.... Thanks Hossfly! :D

The sad thing is that it's just about so true......

rs7
June 25, 2014, 07:24 AM
I'm in a different boat. 5'8", 145. I love 1911's, but I'll be darned if I can figure out how to carry one concealed. I guess a .380 or .38 will have to do until I can get to the tank in the parking lot.
P.S. 92 degrees, 92% humidity today. No jacket required.

SleazyRider
June 25, 2014, 07:34 AM
I chuckle when I hear IWB-carrying folks advise to wear pants two sizes larger than you need to accommodate a weapon. Have you ever worn pants two sizes bigger than your waist? They look like clown-pants; might as well get bigger shoes to match!

OP, it's beyond the purview of THR to comment on matters of health; but weight issues are far more serious than that of concealed carry, and if you'd like to discuss that in a PM, feel free.

hardluk1
June 25, 2014, 10:53 AM
Oh so true.

Paul may be a 9mm or 40 cal kahr CW series. Use the same 1911 holsters you may have now. Light, thin with the same natural feel as the 1911 just a smooth long trigger pull . Hides well too. The smaller cm9 or 40 can be a pocket pistol. All with the same feel. I would say the 45 kahrs but there a little wider and does not fit 1911 holsters but the mags can work, some with a little trimming, some with out. Nice carry pistols any how.

DNS
June 25, 2014, 02:04 PM
Got some dunlap too. I carry an LCR OWB with an untucked collared shirt, sometimes a tucked tee underneath. Most times i forget i'm carrying.

IWB and pocket carry ain't happening since I'm not about to buy all new pants.

Arizona_Mike
June 26, 2014, 06:43 PM
I used to be heavy and AIWB was very uncomfortable, especially in a car.

Mike

PS. Tried low fat and exercise for years. Low carb worked.

Red Cent
June 26, 2014, 11:50 PM
Made for an older 2" Colt. Prototype recently made. Purchaser super satisfied. Gearing up.

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4v50 Gary
June 27, 2014, 07:31 AM
Shoulder holster. It's slower, but there's no more pinching at the waist.

Hossfly72
June 28, 2014, 08:54 AM
Glad ya got a chuckle BCRider! I figure if I can make somebody laugh out loud or even pee a little bit, it's been a good day. I'm off to the Pensacola gun show today specifically in search of IWB holsters. The best I've found so far is by a fella at www.deadeyeluke.com. I carry a P-11 in what he calls a P-Chip holster.
It's small, light, secure, and virtually disappears under a t-shirt. My biggest problem now though is that I wear tighter fitting workout type shirts. I'm thinking about looking at a compression shirt with built in shoulder holster/pocket things. I think they're called Thunder Shirts.. Or that could be the thing we put on the dog when neighbors shoot fireworks? Hell, may try that also. He seems to like it.
My ideal holster is one piece of kydex, folded origami style (like the P-Chip) with a 10-15 degree forward cant. I'm left to getting it custom made because most holster makers haven't discovered Witness pistols and I'm a Witness fanboy.

JTQ
June 28, 2014, 09:32 AM
Hossfly72 wrote,
I'm off to the Pensacola gun show today specifically in search of IWB holsters. The best I've found so far is by a fella at www.deadeyeluke.com. I carry a P-11 in what he calls a P-Chip holster.

My ideal holster is one piece of kydex, folded origami style (like the P-Chip) with a 10-15 degree forward cant. I'm left to getting it custom made because most holster makers haven't discovered Witness pistols and I'm a Witness fanboy.
You may want to make a short trip to Daphne, Al, to see Alabama Holster.

http://www.alabamaholster.com

I haven't seen their work in person, but I have seen Deadeye Luke's stuff. Deadeye Luke's stuff is serviceable, but crude.

Louca
June 28, 2014, 11:44 AM
I realize this is a firearms forum and not a fitness forum, but others have given so much advice regarding holsters and such I wanted to toss in some advice regarding losing weight.

First of all, you say you are trying and that is a good thing. But examine WHAT you are trying, to see if it is effective at all. A piece of advice I give to anyone trying to lose weight (especially women) is LIFT WEIGHTS. Lifting weight will help to change your metabolic rate which will burn more calories - even when you are not working out!

Lou

Nanook
June 29, 2014, 10:03 PM
Look into the Air Marshall 3 holsters. Kangaroo Carry makes them. They can handle small to medium size handguns and carry like a shoulder holster but under your cover garment / shirt.

Pretty comfortable, and so far it can handle an XDm with no issues. I have no connection to the company, but am a satisfied customer. And I'm also losing weight, so I hear you there.

Good luck with both things.

You can also carry a couple of magazines and / or a flashlight on the other side from your gun. Or handcuffs if you're LEO.

Onward Allusion
June 29, 2014, 10:21 PM
As for AIWB carry, I never could buy pants a size up just to carry. Why do so many dress around the gun rather than having the right tool for the job? I mean, would anyone use a ball peen hammer to break cement? How about a sledgehammer to drive a nail?

JTQ
June 29, 2014, 11:28 PM
Onward Allusion wrote,
I mean, would anyone use a ball peen hammer to break cement? How about a sledgehammer to drive a nail?
Perhaps your job is to "break cement" and you've determined the best tool to break cement is the sledgehammer. You need to inconvenience yourself a little to carry something a little big because it is the best tool for the job.

Why do so many dress around the gun rather than having the right tool for the job?
That's why they dress around the gun. Because they have found the right tool for the job, and now just need a way to carry it.

JTQ
June 29, 2014, 11:31 PM
One advantage to AIWB is the holster rides against a "fleshy" part of your body. There is some compressibility there that is not always present when you carry on the hip.

TRX
June 30, 2014, 12:17 PM
5'10, 340#.

I use 2" snub in an upside-down shoulder rig. There's a small amount of harness printing under a pullover shirt, nothing visible under a patterned button-up shirt. The gun nestles neatly between my shoulder and equatorial areas.

I just reach under my shirt and pull the gun out. No problem.

If I had a 1911 I didn't mind sweating all over, I could probably use one of the horizontal holsters rigged for some downward cant and conceal it effectively.

Besides not catching on armchairs or destroying auto upholstry, the shoulder rig is acceptably convenient for crawling under furniture tracking network ables, etc. The holster rides where there's not much "me", and I've spent extended periods laying on it while cranking anchor bolts into floors, etc.

Biohazard1993
July 1, 2014, 02:28 PM
Shoulder holster. It's slower, but there's no more pinching at the waist.
+1 I am 5'9" 225 lbs. I was 250lbs. And while I usually carry owb I have just gotten tired of the snagging on things, the slight poke to my medium gut, and all other things mentioned here. As well, I get hot easily and am conscious about showing my gut :o so I find myself usually wearing a well fitted tank top with a loose garment over top; perfect for a shoulder holster. I am soon ordering a Ross leather shoulder holster for my sp101 and in the next few months when I have my KAHR CW9 I will get the Cobra gun skin shoulder holster for it or another ross. A lot of people don't like shoulder holster carry but I find it great and it is something for us heavier people to look into. If I can stand to wear a garment (light colored) over a tank top on an 85 degree day than I figure most others can and if you fit the rig to you right and use either tie downs or a strap across the back portion (my favorite, that's why I am buying ross leather shoulder system) it is comfortable as long as its not a desert eagle or similar weighted pistol; although I prefer to carry those in ibc(inside the butt cheek) :eek:. In all seriousness though the minimal print that shows from a shoulder holster and a medium to lower size pistol isn't going to be recognized by 90% of most people at all let alone them first noticing the bulge and then secondly thinking it's a gun; most people aren't as observant as us carry personnel and we take that for granted. Hope this helps some.

p.s. It's easier to go to the bathroom with a shoulder holster as well. :D

Capt. Ct.
July 2, 2014, 07:09 PM
Dave, I came to the same conclusion. That is until I discovered N82 Tactical holsters. That is the only way I carry now. That is Nate Squared Tactical. Check out their web page. If this doesn't work for you, nothing will.
The Professional model goes for about $70. I forget I have it on. The one thing I don't like is that it locks the gun in place and it takes a slight twist to release it. I don't like this as it sometimes does not want to come out and all you end up doing is pulling your pants up in an attempt to draw. I cut the lock part out and covered it over with a flat piece of plastic with some J.B. weld. Looks and works fine.

*Kemosabe*
July 2, 2014, 08:02 PM
In warmer weather: Through thick & thin Iíve worn a light weight polo shirt or short sleeve shirt with a light weight cotton vest to cover my gun in my close fitting OWB holster.

camsdaddy
July 3, 2014, 07:11 AM
Lou I get it. I'm more likely to have a heart attack than to be robbed and need a gun. I have carried aiwb for years. I have recently notice that after gaining a few pounds my gut is pushing on the gun and making it print. I mentioned this to my wife and she laughed. I figure it's win win if I make some healthy choices I can live longer due to health and improve concealment. I fail to see the downside.

meanmotorscooter
July 3, 2014, 11:49 AM
You may not care to hear it but here it goes. I'm going to distill into a few sentences what the diet and pill industry can't seem to do. I lost 35 pounds eating this way and it was easy.


Stop eating bread, sugar, flour, pasta in all forms
Stop drinking beer, soda, diet soda, juice
Cut out all milk and cheese
Eat only meat, vegetables, nuts, berries, sweet potatoes
Get Kerry Gold grassfed butter (http://kerrygoldusa.com/) and put it on everything
Eat more good fat like the avacados and the grassfed butter. Grass fed ground beef from trader joes is good too.


You mainly want to eat meat, veggies, nuts, berries most days. A few days a week eat sweet potatoes smothered in butter. I still enjoy a nice glass of brandy a few times a week. There you go. There's the secret to easy weight loss. Hope this helps. BTW, I couldn't AIWB carry before and now I can :)

SC_Dave
July 4, 2014, 09:38 AM
Thanks guys I really appreciate your input!
David

Mr.510
July 7, 2014, 06:10 AM
In my experience, when I was heavier, comfortable appendix carry is just not possible if your gut hangs over your belt and you sit down... ever. ~4:00 IWB with a hybrid holster seems to be the most comfortable and concealable for the most people but it doesn't work for everyone. I'm a sweater so the shoulder rig's requirement of a cover garment is just torture for me, but I do carry that way when I have to wear a suit or tux. Have you tried a good hybrid IWB like the MTAC adjusted for it's maximum forward cant?

My pants are 2" bigger in the waist than they'd be if I didn't carry a double stack .45 and reload IWB. In case some of you non-flexible dressers haven't noticed, tight pants stopped being cool on men somewhere around 1990. :cool:

Edit to add: How long has the OP been carrying concealed? No matter what method you use it's not likely to be super comfortable until you get used to it. My MTAC felt like I had a salad plate stuck in my waistband for the first week but after a month I literally could not feel that the gun was there and I still can't.

hariph creek
July 7, 2014, 07:14 PM
When I started carrying, almost 20 years ago, I could do AWIB. Using a S&W 640 and weighing 200-210 pounds, at 6'-2". Now at 40 I weigh around 250 pounds and AWIB is way to uncomfortable. I like the new single stack nines, IWB, strong side (RH), EXTREME forward cant, around 2:30-3:30, with a remora holster. I find it quite comfortable and secure... What with my built in retention device...

Officers'Wife
July 7, 2014, 07:44 PM
I realize this is a firearms forum and not a fitness forum, but others have given so much advice regarding holsters and such I wanted to toss in some advice regarding losing weight.

First of all, you say you are trying and that is a good thing. But examine WHAT you are trying, to see if it is effective at all. A piece of advice I give to anyone trying to lose weight (especially women) is LIFT WEIGHTS. Lifting weight will help to change your metabolic rate which will burn more calories - even when you are not working out!

Lou
Hi Louca

I have a better suggestion in my brother's sure fire weight reduction program... This program consists of following a tractor/wagon through a 60 acre field, picking up 80 pound bales of hay and throwing them on the wagon to be stacked. For added weight loss you can also assist in stacking the hay in the barn(s) and afterwards mucking out the cattle shelters. Lunch and hydration is provided free of charge.

SAWBONES
July 7, 2014, 07:47 PM
AIWB is the new fad-method of CCW, popular mostly among younger gun fan-boys.

Sure, it offers the advantage of a little extra speed, but at the expense of comfort (unless you're really skinny), and at the definite expense of concealability with any apparel other than the "untucked shirt look" and variants thereof, which nobody in a profession or in a business setting can employ!

Strong side hip CCW has served generations of gun carriers well for a century and more, including some of the "fastest" modern pistoleros like "Jelly" Bryce and Bill Jordan.

AIWB? Not for me.

SAWBONES
July 7, 2014, 07:56 PM
Oops, duplicate post.

el indio
July 8, 2014, 09:04 PM
SC_Dave, I make holsters here in SC. Where do you live? If you want, we could meet and maybe design a holster that will work for you. If you are from the upstate, I'll be at the gun show in G'ville on August 9-10. As you can see, I live in Lexington. Hope we can do something for you. Joe

SC_Dave
July 8, 2014, 09:28 PM
El Indio, I can't thank you enough for your kind offer. I just recently relocated to NC. I have decided to try an all leather AIWB holster from TT Gunleather. I may take you up on meeting you if this doesn't work for me regardless that I'm in NC now. Thanks very much, you're a stand-up guy for trying to help.

I guess I should also add that I'm working even harder at loosing weight too. As of last Friday I have dropped 22 pounds. Not much, but a start.
David

Valkman
July 8, 2014, 11:53 PM
As of last Friday I have dropped 22 pounds.

That's awesome man, keep at it. I am 58 and porky and after carrying IWB for 10 years I blew up (50lbs) and since have gone to a Miami Classic II shoulder holster if I carry a 1911 or a OWB setup for my XD.

AKElroy
July 8, 2014, 11:55 PM
I am 6'1", 240, and I cannot comfortably carry IWB either. I tried every conceivable rig, including crossbreed and various others, at all points on the clock. No way. OWB is the only way I can carry full-sized. I finally splurged on the OWB High-noon open-top pancake w/ slide guard. It comfortably conceals a full-size 226 just fine under a blazer or un-tucked button down shirt. I have another for a sig 2022, which, being lighter, gets carried more in the summer with cargo shorts. Both require a stiff leather belt to stay snug to the body.

Anyone looking carefully can see the bulk under the shirt, but 20 odd years and no one has noticed yet. As has been stated above, people simply do not pay attention to others. If they do manage to get a peek, who cares. In central Texas no one is likely to freak.

When at work, I do not keep on a blazer or suit coat all day, so I pocket a scandium j-frame smith in a desantis nemesis.

Biohazard1993
July 9, 2014, 06:05 PM
I agree that aiwb is a fad for younger slimmer crowds. I say this being 21 and heavier myself but I see it a fad as well. When I am carrying on my waist I prefer inside the belt 4:30-5:00 where my stomach makes no contact and also use an inside the waistband hybrid as an inside the belt holster, it works really good as long as the belt is the right width for the holster loops in my case a foxx hybrid with kydex loops on a 1 3/4 leather carry belt. Plus I found that drawing from my back area to me is more natural and fast than high on my side or low on my front.

Vodoun da Vinci
July 9, 2014, 07:51 PM
I'm 58+ and recently returned from a 30 year hiatus from shooting sports to get my skills in order to get my CCL in Illinois last Summer...My Wife and I spent thousands testing various guns/platforms to find our "Soul Mate" platform and thousands more in instruction and a bunch more on holsters and such.

For me AIWB is The Bomb and my Soul Mate platform is a Beretta Px4 SC rotated with a Glock 26. I trained like a mad man both at shooting and weight training, stretching, Martial Arts and late last Summer dropped 30+ pounds to accommodate carrying Appendix. It simply works for me and it was *very* hard to do but I did it. I now have a lean and muscular waist line and can hide a city bus comfortably at the 1:00 position. I can access it while driving/sitting/riding and can deploy from this position faster than I ever thought I could. I can draw and shoot while moving and this makes me very confident.

I feel bad for folks who wanna carry Appendix but have the extra weight....the extra tire and excess body weight really does make Appendix carry uncomfortable and negates the advantages. Appendix is a thin mans carry style. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad - we all have limitations and losing the excess weight and carrying AIWB required me to change my whole life, my personal fitness habits, my diet, and my perspective and it's all for the better.

But it is not easy and I'm sorry that it isn't. Mostly because I feel that Appendix is the best carry method for many folks in a variety of dress styles and habits. And the only way to realize the advantage is to do something that is very difficult to do. You have to want it bad enough to change your life to accommodate it and get that advantage. Did I mention it's really, really hard and that there is no disgrace in failing at it?

VooDoo

Hardtarget
July 26, 2014, 12:18 AM
This comment for "Hossfly72"...

Its gonna take me weeks to get that mental image out of my brain! :what:

Mark

Big Shrek
July 26, 2014, 10:31 AM
Big Guy Carry...Cargo Pocket.
Use an appropriate holster, and you can carry a full-size G20 without anyone noticing.

Cargo pants/shorts have these lovely huge pockets, easy access, and can be fashionable.
Heck, after I got out of the Army wore chopped-off cammies most of the time due to habit...they are very comfy!
Florida weather likes the baggy feel, and cargo shorts NOBODY notices...as long as your legs are tan.

For a distractor and second option defense usually had a ball-peen hammer in the left-side hammer strap...
Joe Workin Man is quickly placed in the category of Joe Workin Man...everyone forgets the hammer has another use...
plus they automagically figure that you have work stuff weighing down your other pockets...like nails...
a gun in your strong hand pocket really never is thought of by onlookers until you draw...

Other option...Thunderwear :) Great place for a compact .45!
protects the family jewels...and you!

Weight loss...Atkins will pull it off you fast, and safely. Use any of the post-2000 programs.
BUT, and here's the Big One, you must stick STRICTLY to it for the first 6 weeks!!!
If you cheat, you have to start the 6 weeks counter over. Its that simple. After 6 weeks, weigh in...and you'll LOVE it!!
Then starts Phase 2...less weight loss, more muscle gain...but your pants sizes will drop rapidly.
You can then repeat Phase 1 for more rapid fat loss...repeat as often as necessary.
Took me from 400+ down to 280 in a year & a half. Maintained it that way in Phase 3 for 8 years.
Unfortunately I got married and went back up to 340 over 7 years...
darn that home cookin!! Getting about time to knock it back off again, wanna stick around for my kids!

Get a Big Dog, and Walk/Run it every night. Also great way to keep an eye on the neighborhood...

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