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Slater
June 23, 2014, 05:54 PM
I heard somewhere recently that handgun sales are trending away from the larger, duty-size pistols and toward the smaller, concealable types. Think that's true or just a guess?

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Bezoar
June 23, 2014, 06:34 PM
its what most american production is set for right now.

CWL
June 23, 2014, 06:54 PM
With the current trend of most States approving concealed carry, I wouldn't be surprised.

BullRunBear
June 23, 2014, 09:25 PM
Based on a conversation at a LGS, the compact and smaller handguns are the big sellers for concealed carry. Folks going for open carry/hunting/target guns want the full size versions. But CC is the trend around here.

Jeff

Vodoun da Vinci
June 23, 2014, 09:33 PM
At my local GS and range and with the small local group we have, guns that can be carried concealed are the top of the sales heap. Obviously that covers a wide range of guns but "pocket" sized and thinner guns generally are outselling everything else by a "substantial margin" according to the owners. I personally purchased 4 guns last year that I kept (we purchased a number of guns that were sold after we experienced them...) and all of them were subcompact guns.

VooDoo

philoe
June 23, 2014, 09:50 PM
This is what I see at shops and shows..

Concealable over not.
Auto over revolver.
Trends usually(but not always) change.

The contrarian should be on the lookout for quality revolvers on the cheap.

km101
June 24, 2014, 09:43 PM
All you have to do to confirm that it's true is check the guns on display at your local retailer. I have found that there are more small frame, small (er) caliber handguns than ever before. And the number seems to be increasing.

Also, there is a larger variety of "defensive" ammunition than I have ever seen before.

Philoe; I am a contratian, but so far I have not found any "smoking deals" on revolvers, new or used. But I am still hopeful!

ljnowell
June 25, 2014, 06:41 AM
My last two new gun purchases were an LCR and a J-frame. My next purchase will be a Glock 30s and then a Ruger SR9c. I live in IL and we just got the go ahead on ccw. So yeah, I believe that trend to be true.

huntsman
June 25, 2014, 10:27 AM
Where does it go after plastic? We got small, we got lightweight is this it till the pocket phaser? :) I think maybe a step back, Everything old is new again comes to mind.

buck460XVR
June 25, 2014, 11:29 AM
Women are the fastest growing segment of the shooting community. Many of them are so because of the desire to protect themselves and their loved ones. Thus they are buying guns that fit them and fit them when carried concealed. CWC is the one area many long time gun owners did not/do not have covered. Not only because it may not have been legal before in their area, but because most did not see a need years ago. Trends do change....as has been said. When Hi-Cap handguns became the rage, all you saw on the handgun shelves were big, clumsy, double stackers. Tactical became the rage and all you saw was black, earth tone and duo-tone guns with light rails. When hunting with big bore revolvers became the talk of the internet, yep...big stainless revolvers with half-inch holes in the end of the barrel were the hot item. Now it's small and easily concealed guns for cwc. Funny thing is, even tho they are meant to be inconspicuous, and not seen, they still need to be pretty or cool, to catch the buyers eye.

Drail
June 25, 2014, 11:37 AM
The current craze nowdays would seem to be flyweight plastic pocket pistols. A joy to carry but require a lot more skill and work to hit with. Of course they don't tell their prospective customers about that. Everyone also seems to believe that they absolutely must carry the hottest +++P+++ ammo they can find. Good luck with that in a flyweight pocket pistol. I grew up with all steel S&W revolvers and 5 in. 1911s in a nice leather carry rig. I am too old to change now.

David White
June 25, 2014, 01:57 PM
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GEM
June 25, 2014, 02:38 PM
The whole gun world is changing with the development of the self-defense culture. It used to be that the gun world was dominated by the sports/hunting paradigm. However, research has demonstrated that the self-def. paradigm is becoming more important.

Thus, it makes sense that practical to carry SD handguns would increase in sales. The development of lighter guns and better rounds in the 9mm and smaller calibers interacts.

huntsman
June 25, 2014, 03:50 PM
The current craze nowdays would seem to be flyweight plastic pocket pistols

If the only CC choices were metal snubbies or full size metal pistols there'd be no CC craze.

it makes sense that practical to carry SD handguns would increase in sales

It's my belief that the plastic SD gun saved the gun industry, how long will the current CC craze go? Is it just a fad? If so then sooner or latter we'll see total market saturation.

Mman
June 25, 2014, 03:54 PM
Time for colt to re-release the Detective Special.

tarosean
June 25, 2014, 04:30 PM
The most recent manufacturing data from 2011.

http://www.atf.gov/files/statistics/download/afmer/2011-final-firearms-manufacturing-export-report.pdf

btolle
June 25, 2014, 04:56 PM
I see more and more ads for slimmer and/or smaller semi-auto pistols for concealed carry.

I have had more FTF's and malfunctions with semi-autos than revolvers so I carry a Poly-Protector .357 revolver. If I can't hit my target in 5 shots 10 shots isn't going to help. The key to any concealed carry weapon is practice with drawing and aiming.

Btolle

RichardB
June 27, 2014, 01:13 PM
Can't help but notice that my most recent handgun purchases have not been the big comforting Ruger revolvers that I enjoy shooting but smaller plastic guns that are not so much fun to shoot but fit in my pocket or just weigh less.

Old Fuff
June 27, 2014, 01:43 PM
Philoe; I am a contratian, but so far I have not found any "smoking deals" on revolvers, new or used. But I am still hopeful!

The real reason for this is that those that have older revolvers - big and little - seem to be holding on to them rather then selling. Of course they're exceptions, but I'm not finding them like I used to.

Pocket revolvers vs. Plastic pistols: At the manufacturing level the profit margin of pistols over revolvers is substantial, once the tooling for the polymer (or whatever plastic) is paid for. Because of they're basic construction revolvers are more expensive to make, but this may be changing if the marketplace will accept the same construction they see in pistols.

Currently most of the demand for full-size/9mm and larger pistols is coming from the law enforcement segment.

Fiv3r
June 27, 2014, 02:59 PM
I typically buy duty sized guns. I like big, comfortable shooting, intimidating looking handguns. Most of them see range or HD use, but I carry them around often as lifestyle and dress allows.

That said, on vacation, I'll be packing a little LCP stuffed into my cargo shorts pocket. Too much crap to cart around for my wife and 4 year old to bother with another couple pounds of handgun on my hip. However, it's the only "compact" gun in my rotation. My SP101 is concealable, but it's a heavy brute. My full size FNH pistols are thinner than a Glock, but they aren't what I consider ideal for the IWB role. The same thing can be said about my Beretta and 1911s. They're robust.

I still think there is a very good use for a Mouse Gun like the LCP.

There is no doubt the buying public prefers these tiny monsters. You really have to commit to wearing 30-50oz of gun on your belt. It's way easier to drop a single stack micro in your pocket or purse and be done with it.

ljnowell
June 27, 2014, 07:45 PM
I typically buy duty sized guns. I like big, comfortable shooting, intimidating looking handguns. Most of them see range or HD use, but I carry them around often as lifestyle and dress allows.



That said, on vacation, I'll be packing a little LCP stuffed into my cargo shorts pocket. Too much crap to cart around for my wife and 4 year old to bother with another couple pounds of handgun on my hip. However, it's the only "compact" gun in my rotation. My SP101 is concealable, but it's a heavy brute. My full size FNH pistols are thinner than a Glock, but they aren't what I consider ideal for the IWB role. The same thing can be said about my Beretta and 1911s. They're robust.



I still think there is a very good use for a Mouse Gun like the LCP.



There is no doubt the buying public prefers these tiny monsters. You really have to commit to wearing 30-50oz of gun on your belt. It's way easier to drop a single stack micro in your pocket or purse and be done with it.




I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote. I myself have been complacent recently and have taken to sticking a S&W 637 in my pocket and forgetting about it.

Recently my father and I were having a discussion about reaction times. He likes to pocket carry his LCP. We tested ourselves sitting in the drivers seat of our vehicles how long it took get the gun out of the pocket and into play. We also tested the time standing to get it into play versus from a quality holster.

The results were eye opening. While standing it was more than twice as fast from holster as pocket, sitting in the car there wasn't even a comparison.

Pocket carry was convenient but sure wasn't effective it seems. My other holster guns are full size do I am now looking to get a Glock 30s and possible a Ruger SR9c.

huntsman
June 27, 2014, 09:40 PM
Pocket carry was convenient but sure wasn't effective it seems.

To me the advantage of pocket carry is you can get you hand in the pocket and get a grip Before you need to draw, but then that means you need to be aware of the surroundings and situation.

ljnowell
June 28, 2014, 02:18 AM
To me the advantage of pocket carry is you can get you hand in the pocket and get a grip Before you need to draw, but then that means you need to be aware of the surroundings and situation.


Unfortunately sometimes that situation sneaks up on you , especially in a car, and that's where the worst implementation times were.

Drail
June 28, 2014, 10:36 AM
Agreed. I no longer wear tight jeans at age 60 but I also don't believe that I own one single pair of pants that will allow me to draw a gun from my pocket as easily or as fast as drawing it from a belt mounted holster.

Fiv3r
June 28, 2014, 12:14 PM
I do think the lack of speed of pocket draw is skimmed over by some. We hear it 20 times a day on gun boards decrying that an unchambered carry weapon is "useless" or "might as well be a brick" etc.

But to be honest, unless I've got my hand in my pocket, gripping my gun, and angling it for fast draw, I can draw and chamber an aimed round from my covered owb hip holster much faster that I could a chambered subcompact/pocket pistol.

Now, I don't carry unchambered. I'm just making a point. Pocket pistols are great if you have big pockets and have enough time to get your hand on your gun to get it out. I'm just as guilty as anyone. I usually carry mine in my back pocket "just in case". It's not fast on the draw, but I would rather at least have it on my person than not. It's not the best for immediate presentation, but if I were found in a situation that degrades quickly, I would be glad to have that .380 even if I need to fumble a bit to get it out.

The irony of my pocket-friendly guns is that they seem to work best in large coat pockets. Coats which are dandy at concealing a hip holster making a pocket or subcompact a moot point. That said, even if I'm carrying a larger gun on my hip while wearing a coat, I'll have a .380 or .357 hiding away at the ready.

I'm getting off topic here:o
I think the compact market is here to stay for awhile. Personally, I don't mind WHAT people buy as long as they are buying something and learning to use it instead of keeping it as a crutch.

nathan
June 28, 2014, 01:02 PM
I hope importers will find more makarov pistols to boot. I have my Russian IJ 70 , the best carry in my opinion. Its built like a tank ...

C0untZer0
June 28, 2014, 01:06 PM
This is why you can't get a .32 or 380 ACP pistol with a 4.5" or larger barrel ! :cuss:

barnbwt
June 29, 2014, 11:50 AM
I agree that compact & concealable is where it's at. Where I think it's going, is optimization of those features. A lot of guns available now can be carried and concealed, but have things like corners, protrusions, redundant controls, sensitive finishes, and odd overall shapes that make them more awkward to carry than they could be. As bad as the R51's execution was, I do think the gun pointed the way to the future as far as concept, in that it was comfortable, thoroughly dehorned, had good sights, a narrow profile, and very simple controls. The dehorning in particular is something which should have been a common feature in carry guns years ago, but instead everyone focused on Glock and their Spartan slide profile. It's just funny, because way back in the day when people did carry concealed guns, the slides corners were rounded and the profiles narrow; ever since the Wonder Nines, this concept was totally discarded. I think the rising popularity of carry guns with women will finally bring these practical features for carry guns to pass.

TCB

nugun55
July 7, 2014, 07:31 PM
Let's see, my last 2 handgun purchases were an XDS-45 and a Colt O1991 45. I see a pattern, here. :D

Jorg Nysgerrig
July 7, 2014, 07:51 PM
I heard somewhere recently that handgun sales are trending away from the larger, duty-size pistols and toward the smaller, concealable types.
You mean the trend that started in 1994 when 10-round-max was the norm? In the mid-90's, between the AWB and the spread of CCW laws, we saw many smaller pistols introduced.

rbernie
July 7, 2014, 10:44 PM
You mean the trend that started in 1994 when 10-round-max was the norm? In the mid-90's, between the AWB and the spread of CCW laws, we saw many smaller pistols introduced.I've often wondered how popular the 1911 would be today had the '94 AWB not made hi-cap double stacks relatively moot.

But the point made is valid - there are more small-to-pocketable pistol options today than I can recall at any other point in my life. I credit the CHL/CCW expansion for that, moreso than the AWB.

Jorg Nysgerrig
July 7, 2014, 11:55 PM
I credit the CHL/CCW expansion for that, moreso than the AWB.

I think it was both, the spread of CHL/CCW sparked the demand for something concealable and the AWB "softened" up the market for smaller capacities. Kahr and simliar designed came out shortly after the AWB. Having a 10 round limit made the 7-9 round capacities seem less of a sacrifice compared to the standard 15-17 round magazines. The CHL/CCW trend, however, has obviously kept demand for them high.

I think it also pushed the .40 S&W, as the question was no longer 15-17 9mm vs 12-14 .40, but 10 9mm vs 10 .40.

Plenty of small pistols came out in the mid to late 90's, regardless of the cause.

armoredman
July 8, 2014, 12:38 AM
My favorite brand seems to be angling more towards the larger sizes, like the new CZ P-09, shown here with the subcompact CZ pistol, the CZ 2075 RAMI BD.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/CZ%20P-09/Brotherandsister2_zpsa50463a6.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/CZ%20P-09/Brotherandsister2_zpsa50463a6.jpg.html)

The P-09 is actually the same size as my CZ SP-01 Phantom, with it's extended magazine installed.

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/CZ%20P-09/PhantomontopofP09_zpsc51e2e4e.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/CZ%20P-09/PhantomontopofP09_zpsc51e2e4e.jpg.html)

And that gun is my normal every day carry pistol. It's a full size handgun, which I prefer. The High Noon holster and gun belt make the difference.

I have carried smaller guns, Walther PPK, Taurus PT-22, and of course my CZ P-01 compact and CZ PCR compact pistols, but when I discovered the right gear gave my an easier to shoot and control larger sidearm, I was much happier.

Your mileage may vary, of course.

Hurryin' Hoosier
July 8, 2014, 06:49 PM
I heard somewhere recently that handgun sales are trending away from the larger, duty-size pistols and toward the smaller, concealable types.
That's par for the course. I just decided to get my first 1911.

XD 45acp
July 8, 2014, 09:53 PM
I think too that there are more women buying handguns. They tend to lean toward the smaller more concealable types.

stevek
July 17, 2014, 05:34 PM
Another point to remember is that it is NOT necessary to draw in order to fire a pocket handgun. A semi-auto may only cycle one round, but a J-Frame or LCR will give you 5 shots without having to draw...

Drail
July 17, 2014, 10:00 PM
Might wanna carry a small fire extinguisher if yer gonna do that.

MCgunner
July 17, 2014, 10:07 PM
Every post here sounds like trends I was reading about in magazines 20 years ago. So nothing has changed, I suppose.

I just cannot get into new autoloaders. I have all the autos I need, all the revolvers, really, but I just love shooting revolvers. Revolvers are the bulk of my collection, single action and DA. One of my favorite shooters is an auto, Ruger KP90DC, accurate booger. But, on the whole, I prefer to shoot revolvers.

LT.Diver
July 17, 2014, 10:43 PM
I don't know what it says about us but it seems like if a gun is bigger than a Tic Tac and ways more than a moth's ass hair we won't buy it.
Are we really getting so soft that we can't carry a J-Frame anymore unless it's made of gravity defying unobtainium?

MCgunner
July 17, 2014, 10:49 PM
An airweight is plenty light enough to carry 24/7 in a pocket. Belt guns get to bothering me after a few hours. OWB is about the best way I can tolerate 'em.

armoredman
July 20, 2014, 04:58 PM
LT Diver, I carried this once upon a time,

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/theymeanit.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/theymeanit.jpg.html)

With full power loads it was seriously NOT fun to use. We have been having this discussion for a great many years - here's a couple of "pocket rockets" from the turn of the century. Oddly enough, the British Bulldog has a .34 caliber barrel and has to have very special ammunition handcrafted for it.


http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/38SampWsuicidespecials004_zps30d0f197.jpg (http://s16.photobucket.com/user/armoredman/media/38SampWsuicidespecials004_zps30d0f197.jpg.html)

Kidslash
July 20, 2014, 05:05 PM
I think the compacts are where manufacturers are going now. That and striker fired semi autos.

ljnowell
July 21, 2014, 02:18 AM
An airweight is plenty light enough to carry 24/7 in a pocket. Belt guns get to bothering me after a few hours. OWB is about the best way I can tolerate 'em.


How's this for being a wimp, my favorite gun to carry OWB in a nice leather holster? An Airweight smith. A 637 to be exact. I recently bought a nice heavy belt, one of the Hanks Amish CCW belts, and a bianchi holster. I will honestly forget it's there sometimes.

When I would carry a 1911, the first thing I would do when I come home is unholster. With this I find myself watching tv at 9pm still wearing it.

flyingtiger85
July 22, 2014, 10:00 PM
Here's a current trend!People are buying imported high quality clones at bargain prices and are talking about how happy they are with there purchase.Cz,Sig and High power copy's made in Belgium and Turkey are awesome.Search the internet,people are very happy with them.A gun doesn't necessarily have to cost $700 or $800 to be a good gun.
Examples include:Caniks, Arcus and Zastava.9mm auto pistols.

seeker_two
July 22, 2014, 10:35 PM
And Turkish & Filipino 1911's....

aarondhgraham
July 23, 2014, 10:20 AM
I can believe the trend,,,
Meaning I have no proof one way or another,,,
But with the rise in people getting their permits to carry,,,
I understand they are for the most part not gun nuts so they go utilitarian.

By utilitarian I mean something that suits their need for a handgun,,,
But probably won't see much range time or practice.

I'm the resident gun-nut at my workplace,,,
I'm often asked about "what's a good gun these days".

Most of the time I show them a range from mouse to duty,,,
Much more often than not they like the smaller guns.

They aren't into the nuances of firearms,,,
They just want something that will shoot a bullet without hurting them.

I think some formal training would change a lot of their minds,,,
But that won't happen so any gun is better than no gun.

Aarond

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MCgunner
July 23, 2014, 12:02 PM
This has to be trendy, right, polymer revolver? I should be getting this in by the end of the week. It has been shipped. Beat up on me if you wish. 20 ounces unloaded, should be a little easier on me than the 340PD I tried once and easy to carry. I'm not put off by polymer, have several pistols with polymer frames. In fact, I kinda like the idea, especially as it miffs off the traditionalists who will insult me on the net, if not face to face. :D

http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/taurus-1-tau_2_605029ply.jpg

http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2012/11/taurus-protector-polymer/?scrape=true

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