Is there a reason to get a 22-250 Remington?


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slowr1der
July 7, 2014, 09:26 PM
I have a chance to pick up a Savage Model 11 in 22-250 Remington for what looks to be a great deal. I'm very tempted to just have the action for a build if I don't like it, but I'm still undecided. I've always heard friends brag about their 22-250's, but I never really saw the point. Seemed like they were constantly wearing out barrels on them and the only advantage they could tell me about was the high velocity. It also seemed like I could get an even higher velocity shooting light weight bullets in a 243, so I just didn't see a point to it. Now that I have the chance to get one, I'm wondering if there is a point to it? Is there a reason I should have one? What's the average barrel life on these?

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jmr40
July 7, 2014, 09:31 PM
If you can afford to buy the ammo to wear out a barrel you can afford another barrel. I don't want or need one. A 223 isn't as fast, but is more versatile for my needs. But if you want to shoot lighter bullets fast it will do it. Most 22-250 barrels aren't twisted for heavier bullets the 223 will handle. Depends on what you need and want it to do.

R.W.Dale
July 7, 2014, 09:31 PM
To own a 22/250 it to experience the lure of the cartridge paper ballistics don't imply.

I don't think I've ever been able to create or conjure up a combination of loads or rifle parts that resulted in a "bad" 22/250 group.

For me it's just one of those cartridges that seems prone to shooting great groups if left to its own devices. Similar case but a polar opposite to my 243 experienced which always seemed to be highly picky as to what shot decent and what produced patterns with just a minor change

dvdcrr
July 7, 2014, 09:35 PM
I can see no real benefit in the field to choosing 22-250 over a 223, in fact 223 anchors coyotes better. Though it is nearly dead we really like 6mm Rem.

You could do a custom build with fast twist barrel to shoot the heavier bullets out of your 22-250.

Liberty1776
July 7, 2014, 09:47 PM
22-250 over a 223, in fact 223 anchors coyotes better.

???. Why, and how come...?

HOOfan_1
July 7, 2014, 10:15 PM
Wearing out their barrels how? For light weight bullets .223 , isn't going to kill better...and coyotes don't need heavy bullets to be killed. .243 isn't a legal hunting cartridge wear I hunt groundhogs. .22-250 is..and it is a death laser.

With lighter bullets at 300+ yards I'll take the .22-250 any time. That extra spped ensures those varmint bullets explode whenever they hit something.

Jackal
July 7, 2014, 10:27 PM
22-250 is the most versatile .22 centerfire round made, IF you reload. Reloaded, it can mimic everything from the .22 hornet to "near" 220 swift levels. However, if factory ammo is your flavor of choice, the old .223 cant be beaten.

TIMC
July 7, 2014, 10:36 PM
Only one.

Just cause! I really love my Remington VLS in 22-250.

TexasPatriot.308
July 7, 2014, 11:00 PM
I love .22-250s for everthing from coyotes to hogs to deer, got a few,....my favorite Ruger #1Varminter with bull barrel and a real nice Leupold....No.1 are called inaccurate....mine can put it thru a hogs ear at 200 yards or more, coytes, dear, DRT. beautiful tack driver, no matter what people say about No. 1 accuracy.

witchhunter
July 7, 2014, 11:04 PM
Out here in the west, the 22/250 is the benchmark standard for coyote rifles. Shoots flat, hits hard, don't kick. We get some 4-500 yard shots across a hayfield sometimes and that makes the difference right there. The right load will not shoot through one, but it will stop him. Not trying to argue with the .223 guys, just my opinion.

Deog
July 8, 2014, 01:11 AM
Have never shot a 22-250 that was not a tack driver.

tdoyka
July 8, 2014, 03:53 AM
I love .22-250s for everthing from coyotes to hogs to deer, got a few,....my favorite Ruger #1Varminter with bull barrel and a real nice Leupold....No.1 are called inaccurate....mine can put it thru a hogs ear at 200 yards or more, coytes, dear, DRT. beautiful tack driver, no matter what people say about No. 1 accuracy.


i can believe that!!!

my tc encore in 20 vartarg with a 16 1/4" mgm heavy barrel can do .2" at 100yards(3 shots). my savage m12 in 223 does .4" at 100yds(5 shots) with 55gr varmint nightmare. i still have to find a scope, but it is a tc encore 27" mgm heavy barrel in 22-250 ackley improved with 1 in 8" twist. a 75 gr amax or 60gr vmax is going to be used, i think ;)
groundhogs beware!!!! maybe i'll use it for deer next year!!!!

Fredo0621
July 8, 2014, 04:13 AM
I can see no real benefit in the field to choosing 22-250 over a 223, in fact 223 anchors coyotes better. Though it is nearly dead we really like 6mm Rem.

You could do a custom build with fast twist barrel to shoot the heavier bullets out of your 22-250.
This is why you should not trust everything you see on the internet.....There is no way that a .223 would kill something better than a .22-250 when it has a 300+ fps edge using the same components.

Davek1977
July 8, 2014, 07:16 AM
I too call the idea of the .223 killing coyotes "deader" than a 22-250 nonsense. There is no way that given the same bullet out of a similar rifle, that the .223 would kill "better" than the 22-250 which beats it on both velocity and ft lbs of energy. Now, if you made the claim that a 223 shooting 69 gr bullets kills coyotes better than a 40 grain pill out of a 22-250, then we can at least have a conversation. But, everything else being equal, there's no way the ballistically inferior round is actually superior at killing coyotes for some undefined, unknown reason.

JDGray
July 8, 2014, 07:44 AM
Never lost an animal with a 22-250, cant say the same with a 223...

splithoof
July 8, 2014, 01:01 PM
Go ahead and buy it. For a project rifle, you can always go to another caliber that uses the same parent cartridge with minimal or no work to the bolt-face, ramp, magazine, etc.
My daughter was given a nice Remington 788 in .22-250. After the original barrel was toast after several thousand rounds, we installed a short .308 barrel on it. It makes a very handy, light weight deer rifle that is very accurate. I would imaging the same could be done with the Savage.

MachIVshooter
July 8, 2014, 01:14 PM
It also seemed like I could get an even higher velocity shooting light weight bullets in a 243, so I just didn't see a point to it.

Ballistic coefficient; a 55 gr .224" bullet will have superior down range velocity retention to a 55 gr .244" bullet.

1948CJ2A
July 8, 2014, 01:23 PM
Man if some of you guys are saying a 22-250 is a barrel burner, I'd hate to hear your gripes on the old 220 Swift.

Float Pilot
July 8, 2014, 01:37 PM
I have owned, hand-loaded and hunted with both the 220 Swift and the 22-250. The 22-250s did not burn out the barrels and they were super accurate. The 220 Swift only had a slight speed advantage at the cost of accuracy and short barrel life.
I would still own a 22-250 if I were still hunting wolves and coyotes.
It does at 450 yards what a 223 does at 200 yards.

MachIVshooter
July 9, 2014, 01:06 AM
The 220 Swift only had a slight speed advantage at the cost of accuracy and short barrel life.

Sounds like a crappy barrel problem to me.

The beauty of the .220 Swift is that you can match the top velocities of the .22-250 with a rather sedate load that is easy on brass and barrels. I run 55 grainers at 3,800 FPS. Yeah, a .22-250 can almost do that, but it's a max load. For the .220, though, it's very gentle.

cdb1
July 9, 2014, 01:54 AM
I don't think it matters whether you use a .243 or a 22-250 for most hunting purposes. I prefer the .243 but cannot tell you why.

NCsmitty
July 10, 2014, 07:58 PM
When Remington introduced the M788 in 22-250, they sold like hotcakes at around $100, and I did some load development for relatives and friends, and the M788 could shoot the lights out with about any load tried. I later had a Remington 40 XB in 22-250 for a time that was amazingly accurate, and was what you expect from a match rifle.
My current 22-250 is a rifle that I built myself using a medium 24" Remington 700 barrel that I threaded to fit a pristine Turk Mauser K.Kale action that I finished and fit in a Hogue overmolded stock, and that one shoots under 1/2" for 5 shots all day with the 52gr A-Max.
The beauty of the 22-250 is the ability to ballistically extend your kill range over the 222-223 cartridges by more than 100yds. It will reach out there.


NCsmitty

Plastikosmd
July 10, 2014, 08:44 PM
One of my favorites

Barrel burner? Meh, about the only gun that I have not seen rebarreled is a BB gun. Bunch of heat, pressure, etc, a barrel will wear. I have seen someone cook a 223, then someone else a swift in one range session.
( swift broke my heart as I just missed buying it, 60's gun that was a beauty until someone treated it like an AR)
One of mine?
1960's gun, round count??? I have 1000+ though it and it was no safe queen based on loads and data that came with it.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/40x/16780f6396d4157dffe29a3d07a97285_zpsabc14a0d.jpg

Not hard to put 5 nearly into same hole at 100, frankly it gets boring, best was 0.086", not sure where that pic is.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/40x/583ede301c796097466617272376c41e_zpseb328d49.png

Boring to the point I mainly use it to test new shooting equipt etc. ie like this particular shooting rest

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/plastikosmd/40x/fcxtest.jpg

NCsmitty
July 10, 2014, 09:24 PM
That's a sweet rifle, and with a Unertl too.


NCsmitty

Scot43
July 10, 2014, 09:27 PM
I have a Savage 111 in 22-250. I have several 22-250's because, as a coyote hunter of over 30 years I can say that if I were to only have one rifle to hunt coyotes it would be a 22-250. My Savage 22-250 Model 111 has the accutrigger and accustock. I had the stock camo dipped shortly after purchasing the rifle.
Right out of the box this rifle was consistently cutting 1/2" MOA groups with several hand loads. The Savage 111 is probably the best buy for the money. This is how mine shoots:
http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu105/Scot43/P1010033-1.jpg (http://s638.photobucket.com/user/Scot43/media/P1010033-1.jpg.html)

joed
July 11, 2014, 01:20 PM
Why wouldn't someone want to own a .22-250? It's a good cartridge intended for a different purpose than a .223 Rem. I own a .22-250 as well as a .223, .243 and .25-06. Each have their purpose for me.

Burn up a barrel? So what, I've rebarreled the .25-06 a few years ago, great move. I'd do the same with any of the others.

MarshallDodge
July 11, 2014, 01:47 PM
The 22-250 has never intrigued me as I started with a 223 and it did what I needed but I hear a lot of people rave about how good the 22-250 does at distance.

I wouldn't worry about burning up the barrel. It is a Savage so they are easy to rebarrel anyway and you may get bored with the caliber anyway.

murf
July 11, 2014, 02:18 PM
moderation with the over-bore 22s prevents burning up the barrel. if you can't keep your hand on the barrel for ten seconds, it's too hot. let it cool (open the action) for a while before continuing.

although i am a 220 swift fan, the 22-250 is just as good a varmint caliber. i have both in my stable.

murf

wolf695
July 11, 2014, 03:54 PM
In many states, it is the cal. of choice for fox and coyote. The ballistics is better than 223, a lot of older hunters also use 222 as well. It is a good all around cal.

browningguy
July 11, 2014, 07:35 PM
They shoot .22 cal. bullets really fast, that's the whole point of them. Really fast causes heat and wears barrels, but if you like varmint shooting they are a good way to go.

tomrkba
July 11, 2014, 07:46 PM
Is there a reason to get a 22-250 Remington?

Prairie dogs at 600-800 yards.

Plastikosmd
July 12, 2014, 12:37 AM
Thx nc!

Scot43
July 13, 2014, 08:43 PM
Stop and think about it for a moment. If anyone was to wear out a barrel on a 22-250 with hot loads coyote hunting he wouldn't be able to put all those coyotes in a fleet of semi trucks. On the other hand, if your desire is to sit at a bench busting prairie dogs with a 22-250 until you could use the barrel of the rifle for a branding iron, you probably have the money for another barrel.

Arizonan
July 14, 2014, 04:24 PM
I blast my Wyle 's with a Savage 110. Chambered in 270. Sure you have the recoil. But if you shoot less then 50 rounds a day it is fine. Mine is scoped with a 6.5 x 20 x 50mm.
All day and every day drop em from muzzle out to 500 yards. They never know what hits em. Im shooting 85 grain Barnes handloads.

ECVMatt
July 14, 2014, 04:54 PM
Out here in CA, we have big spaces that almost always hold wind. I love the .223 and shoot it often, but if wind is in play I switch to the .250. I tend to think of rifles like golf clubs: I sure play a whole game with a Seven Iron and a Putter, but it is more fun to play with the whole set.

If I had to choose between the two, I would keep the .250. I would suggest playing with it and seeing if it fits into your arsenal.

Saleen322
July 14, 2014, 07:03 PM
If you want an accurate, flat-shooting round you have a reason to buy one. As far as burning barrels out, I have this 22 Varminter (a 250 Savage necked to 22 caliber before the 22-250 was standardized) that still shoots pretty much one-hole after over 1/2 a century.

http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt98/saleen322/Center%20Fire%20Rifles/1885-1.jpg http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt98/saleen322/Center%20Fire%20Rifles/1885Win1-hole.jpg

I also have 2 heavy barreled 22-250s. As Townsend Whelen said, only accurate rifles are interesting but I guess not everyone likes interesting rifles! :)

chazwood
July 14, 2014, 07:40 PM
22-250s are like land rover's those who have one love it. The rest of us don't know why.

TexasPatriot.308
July 14, 2014, 11:38 PM
I have several, all tack drivers, kill deer, hogs, coyotes all the time. helluva caliber, low recoil and women can be good shots with this caliber. until you own one, shoot one, you aint gonna be able to make an opinion or state one....so there.

Arizonan
July 15, 2014, 09:41 AM
22-250 ON HOGS?
Were they piglets? :neener:

R.W.Dale
July 15, 2014, 10:10 AM
Where are these hogs that can survive a 22 centerfire into the brain pan?

Ks5shooter
July 15, 2014, 05:50 PM
Why not get one? I have a 1971 vintage Sako Forrester heavy barrel gun still driving tacks.

Davek1977
July 16, 2014, 07:16 AM
I don't understand why anyone would even hesitate to use the 22-250 on hogs. Its certainly up to the task, unless there's a new species of mutant, armor wearing pigs out there

HOOfan_1
July 16, 2014, 09:36 AM
I thought there were people who used .17 HMR on Hogs....

and apparently .300 Blackout is the new vogue round......22-250 hits a lot harder than .300 Blackout.

Buzznrose
July 17, 2014, 08:53 AM
My biggest gun-selling regret was a Ruger M77V bull barrel 22-250 I sold in the mid 90's. That rifle shot ground squirrels (Montana) out to 350 paces with ease. I sighted it for 1" high at 100 yards once and the old Bushnell 4*12 held true for as long as I owned it.

Man I miss that rifle....

jim in Anchorage
July 17, 2014, 11:36 AM
Never fails to amaze me how many people worship the .223. Is it a AR thing? A 223 is to the .22-250 what a flat head Plymouth six is to a 426 hemi.

Anyway buy the .22-250. I load my .223 WSSM to .22-250 levels and from the looks of the primers I am probably running 40,000 PSI. I don't expect to outlive the barrel. So knock off 150 FPS or so and enjoy your .22-250.

ColtPythonElite
July 17, 2014, 12:06 PM
My .22-250 is the only rifle I load near max rounds for and that's just because it groups well with the load. I have never been concerned with the whole barrel burning jazz. If it happens, I will rebarrel or replace. No big deal.

Laphroaig
July 17, 2014, 12:30 PM
A 223 is to the .22-250 what a flat head Plymouth six is to a 426 hemi

Exactly. Many people would prefer the reliability, gas mileage, and the fact that you can do your own mechanic work on the old flathead.

The analogy is that 223 has cheaper brass, uses less powder, easier on barrels, and will do 95% of the practical varmint shooting that anyone will ever do. Prairie dogs at 6-8K? Not with a 1:14 barrel. I contend a fast twist 223 will be more accurate at those ranges once you get it zeroed.

Laphroaig

Plastikosmd
July 17, 2014, 07:06 PM
shoot what you love, cartridge wars are lame :)

for me, a hemi !

R.W.Dale
July 20, 2014, 11:09 PM
Reason #1 to get a 22-250


Because watermelon

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HOOfan_1
July 21, 2014, 01:03 PM
Reason #1 to get a 22-250


Because watermelon



50 grain Sierra Blitz King at 3800fps will do that to a groundhog's head too. I have the pictures to prove it. The ones I hit in the body don't explode though...there is an entry hole..no exit hole and they kind of slosh when you pick them up.

MachIVshooter
July 21, 2014, 06:22 PM
22-250s are like land rover's those who have one love it. The rest of us don't know why.

Perhaps not the best analogy. The romantic appeal of a Rover disappears relatively early in the ownership endeavor for most, as soon as they're out of warranty and the repair bills quickly equal or exceed the exorbitant monthly payment. Wanna guess what the air springs on a Range Rover or the 100,000 mile service on a Freelander cost? lol.

Scot43
July 22, 2014, 04:52 PM
A friend stopped by my house the other day and we ended up in the man cave around my reloading and gun area. He asked why would anyone need to own 3 22-250 rifles? My answer was twofold. I told him because I like the 22-250 and these are the remaining 22-250 rifles out of over a dozen I've owned in my lifetime that consistently cut 1/2" MOA or less holes in targets @100 yds. I've shot sub MOA 200 yd groups with a few of them. Yes, accurate rifles are definitely interesting. The 22-250 has been a mainstay caliber in my battery of varmint and predator hunting rifles and, if I were limited to only one rifle for coyote hunting it was be the 22-250…hands down!

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