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mainecoon
July 10, 2014, 08:08 PM
What caliber would you recommend for someone who likes a good punch in the shoulder when shooting? Not excessive, but as part of the experience, etc. Mostly at objects 200 yards or less away, in a bolt action.

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Schwing
July 10, 2014, 08:37 PM
A 45-70 lever action does it for me. Just enough punch to make you feel manly but not so much that you have to put your shoulder back in the socket. While bolt actions do exist, I really feel that the lever is the true way to go:)

gp911
July 10, 2014, 08:38 PM
Just about any milsurp. Cheap ammo, fun recoil, good enough accuracy for 200 yards, and the value goes up over time.

LUCKYDAWG13
July 10, 2014, 08:49 PM
a 91/30 will pack a nice punch

HOOfan_1
July 10, 2014, 08:57 PM
Ever seen that .577 Tyranasaurus video?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrImp-ek3bI

Seriously I hear the Mosin M44 gives a nice kick

MachIVshooter
July 10, 2014, 09:03 PM
It's all subjective; everybody's tolerance is different. I don't consider my 8mm mag particularly harsh, but a lot of folks cringe at a .300 win mag that is a good 15% lower in a similar rifle. Then there are true recoil junkies who enjoy firing .458 lott or 460 weatherby (or at least they claim to).

I think on average, the most recoil people find tolerable for more than a couple of rounds is .30-06 level: 20-25 ft lbs @ about 20-22 FPS.

Tell us what your experience is, and we may be able to better help. If you find a sporting weight .30-06 with normal 165 or 180 grain loads a pussycat, you likely won't have a problem with some of the magnums. OTOH, if a .243 is the most gun you've ever fired, prolly don't want to jump right into a .338 win mag

MistWolf
July 10, 2014, 09:03 PM
338 Winchester Magnum. More than enough recoil to let you know you've touched off a round, but not excessively so

henschman
July 10, 2014, 09:03 PM
.30-06 in a nice light sporter type rifle like a Savage 111.

dogmush
July 10, 2014, 09:07 PM
.50 BMG. No really. Lots of recoil, but slow with a usually heavy rifle so it isn't harsh.

My .50 is a really fun rifle to shoot. Not cheap though.

sappyg
July 10, 2014, 09:41 PM
A hunting weight 30-06 and a box or two of 180 grain bullets should get you there. Wear a T shirt while shooting for bonus points.

Can't really recommend anything more because that's where I draw the line personally.

I have fired a few rounds of 35 Whelen that had a good bit of thump.

A nice lever in 45-70 will get you there right quick.

kcofohio
July 10, 2014, 09:53 PM
Depends on the butt plate too. The mil-surps of Germany and Russia usually have steel plates. Those will let you know whether you're manly.

R.W.Dale
July 10, 2014, 10:04 PM
http://www.uberti.com/1871-rolling-block-carbine

I give you the 4.5# 45/70 with a curved brass buttplate

Let us know how that works out for ya

R.W.Dale
July 10, 2014, 10:08 PM
The worst kicking rifle I've personally shot (and I've owned 300wby and am no stranger to 375 h&h) was a 460 s&w magnum TC carbine.

Something about the recoil impulse from firing off that much fairly fast powder just made the rifle far more unmanagable than paper ballistics would imply.

The gun in question actually sheared off a scope ring!!!

MachIVshooter
July 10, 2014, 10:09 PM
^^^^^^^

I haven't had any interest in a new firearm for a couple of years, was doing pretty good not spending so much on guns. Thanks alot.

WestKentucky
July 10, 2014, 10:10 PM
444 marlin sticks out as a bruiser from when I was a kid. Then as others have said lightweight centerfires will typically wake a fella up. One of my personal thumpers is a 16" contender with a skeletonized homemade stock. With 300gr it's not wimpy and it's still plenty manageable and handy as can be. Your other choose is to go with a big round in a singleshot as they tend to be light. Maybe 300 win mag in a tapered handi-rifle.

Robert
July 10, 2014, 10:14 PM
My 375H&H is a ton of fun to shoot. Even with stout loads it is not over the top. Big shove, big boom and lots of fun. I have also had a good bit of fun with a friend's 470NE double rifle and 404 Jeffery bolt gun. I'd love to have the 404 if it were not a $15,000 rifle...

R.W.Dale
July 10, 2014, 10:17 PM
^^^^^^^



I haven't had any interest in a new firearm for a couple of years, was doing pretty good not spending so much on guns. Thanks alot.


Lol what are you trying to say?


I have the 357 mag version of the baby rolling block and with magnums at under 5 lbs it will actually turn my shoulder a little blue

barnbwt
July 10, 2014, 10:40 PM
Search here on 585 Hubel. It'll be the last thing you ever shoot (I'm guessing). Cheapest solution is to buy a 30-06 and a wood rasp, and file the butt as narrow as you care to.

TCB

ms6852
July 10, 2014, 10:42 PM
My 450 marlin in a guide gun will rattle your fillings loose.

Ditchtiger
July 10, 2014, 10:46 PM
a 91/30 will pack a nice punch
A Mosin carbine is even better, + fire balls!!!!

BCRider
July 10, 2014, 11:01 PM
Telling us what cartridges and in what guns you've shot so far along with your feelings on their recoil would really help a LOT. Otherwise we're all shooting in the dark.

MachIVshooter
July 10, 2014, 11:12 PM
Lol what are you trying to say?

That thing is now on my short list. At the top.

jmr40
July 10, 2014, 11:39 PM
Personally not a fan anymore, but I owned a 45-70 for over 30 years. If you just like to get kicked without any much real performance it it the one you want. With milder loads it will push you around without killing you. If you're a real glutton for punishment you can load up some hot stuff. Most Marlin levers and others in 45-70 are 2-3 lbs lighter than a typical 375 or 458. The hottest loads make a 458 seem like a 30-06 when fired from such a light rifle.

R.W.Dale
July 10, 2014, 11:40 PM
That thing is now on my short list. At the top.


I'd only use it to hand to my buddies and say "here shoot this!" (Snicker, cough)

MachIVshooter
July 10, 2014, 11:54 PM
I'd only use it to hand to my buddies and say "here shoot this!" (Snicker, cough)

Hahaha! Kind of an expensive way to amuse yourself and lose friends, though. lol.

I don't know that it could handle "Marlin & Ruger loads" (nor would it be much fun with them), but I'm thinkin' it'd be a blast with some moderate hardcast loads, like 400 grainers at about 1,500-1,600 FPS.

Andrew Leigh
July 11, 2014, 12:39 AM
I agree with a 30-06 with a 180gr. bullet. Reason for this is that the 30-06 is widely considered at the calibre at which you will develop a flinch if so inclined.

js8588
July 11, 2014, 12:41 AM
416 Rigby http://www.realguns.com/archives/175.htm

56hawk
July 11, 2014, 12:52 AM
I really like my 600 Overkill, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it for 200 yards. For shooting a rifle off a bench I don't think I would want anything bigger than a 460 Weatherby.

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vaupet
July 11, 2014, 03:27 AM
In the ordinary category: 7.62x54R Mosin Nagant, in the M44 carbine
Make sure it got the original steel butplate.
If you shoot it at dusk, you get some free fireworks too :evil:

Deus Machina
July 11, 2014, 05:49 AM
I'm a fan of my M44.
Want a little more? Buy one with a ratty stock and throw an AIM polymer one on.

R.W.Dale
July 11, 2014, 06:02 AM
Hahaha! Kind of an expensive way to amuse yourself and lose friends, though. lol.



I don't know that it could handle "Marlin & Ruger loads" (nor would it be much fun with them), but I'm thinkin' it'd be a blast with some moderate hardcast loads, like 400 grainers at about 1,500-1,600 FPS.


I don't think you could stand to shoot it even at those fairly sedate speeds

The 30-30 maybe

The 45/70 OUCH

Sound Dude
July 11, 2014, 08:49 AM
A milsurp M95 Steyr-Mannlicher carbine. Hardest kicking milsurp I own, and I have plenty Moisin-Nagants in various lengths. I'm a big guy and I'd rather shoot my 9.3x62 all day that that M95. For added fun shoot 1930's vintage ammo that will have frequent hang-fires. Pull trigger, wait a full second, then bang!

390ish
July 11, 2014, 08:53 AM
M-95 Steyr gets my vote as well.

mainecoon
July 11, 2014, 09:24 AM
That Uberti looks gorgeous, but probably a bit too painful in 45-70. I'm more into the 30.06 range. Something that will leave my retinas intact.

jimwill48
July 11, 2014, 12:11 PM
Hot loaded .45/70 in a NEF Handi-Rifle. Will give you all you want for a bargain price.....

illinoisburt
July 11, 2014, 02:31 PM
Like the handi rifle idea! Course the heaviest recoil to be commonly found is 2 ounce turkey loads and 1-3/4 ounce magnum slugs through any of the 12 gauge single shots. Don't try this from a bench! A 5 pound gun puts out over 100 pounds of sharp recoil, not gentle shove there.

HOME DEPOT GEORGE
July 11, 2014, 03:20 PM
How about a revolver in 450 marlin :evil: https://www.magnumresearch.com/Firearms/Magnum-Research-450-Marlin-Revolver-10-inch-Barrel.asp

BCRider
July 11, 2014, 03:36 PM
That Uberti looks gorgeous, but probably a bit too painful in 45-70. I'm more into the 30.06 range. Something that will leave my retinas intact.

You wuss.... :D

If you're satisfied with 30-06 like recoil then there's a HUGE number of options for you. I'd suggest the Mosin and a couple of SPAM cans of ammo but I understand that recent laws or policies are going to make the former communist bloc ammo a little harder to find and more expensive when you can find it.

So that leaves you with just about any rifle you can get and simply move into reloading your own ammo. With reloads you can cut the cost down to around 25 to 30 cents a round for the bullet, powder and primer. And with care and the odd annealing of the neck area the cases will last well over 30 shots before they begin splitting. More if you start with a known heavy kicker and load it down to a milder velocity.

The gun weight really counts as well. A .45-70 shot from a 12lb Sharps isn't that bad. But the same cartridge shot from a light Handi Rifle or TC Encore will rock you out of your socks. But of course you can simply download the round to obtain whatever recoil level you like.

DRYHUMOR
July 11, 2014, 06:37 PM
I had a .340 Weatherby once, it will let you know it's there when it lights off...

Very good ballistics/energy as well.

Frostbite
July 11, 2014, 09:39 PM
Of course, it does not meet the rifling nor the 200 yards criteria, but for inexpensive (less than a dollar a round) and easy to find (sold everywhere) punch (pain?) in the shoulder, the twelve gauge very basic slug is just great. It's made a .338 Winchester with a nice soft pad feel very delicate.

On the softer, rifled, longer range side of things, my Remington 760 Gamemaster in .30-06 Springfield with a metal but plate is cute. Still pleasant to shoot, but lets you know you have shot it. Noting comparable to the twelve, but it wakes you up after a hundred .22 LR shots. Like others, I will insist on the metal plate part, it just seems of importance. :)

barnbwt
July 11, 2014, 10:47 PM
M-95 Steyr gets my vote as well.
For whatever reason, my Steyr never kicked so bad as my K31. I truly think recoil for the '06-class of rifle rounds is almost totally dependent upon stock geometry. Granted, I never shot Nazi surplus which is supposed to be slightly hotter, but that's only because it was expensive & borderline-unsafe to shoot in pressure in the first place. It's getting rebarrelled to 50 Alaskan, so I imagine my opinion of its kick will change a good deal.

TCB

highlander 5
July 11, 2014, 10:49 PM
Had Ruger No 1 in 45/70 and kept a box of reloads with me for the recoil junkie. 300 grain jacketed at 2400 fps. No one wanted to fire it a second time. Recoil was between 45 /50 ft lbs.

Tom_AZ
July 12, 2014, 02:31 AM
.45-70, .300 wm or wsm should work.

Fleetman
July 12, 2014, 09:48 AM
Ruger #1 in .30-378

a-sheepdog
July 12, 2014, 12:53 PM
Get a 416 Rem Mag, mine is a bit of a punch but tolerable. Not something that I want to shoot from a bench very often. It has a little recoil if you like that sort of thing. My 450 Marlin lever action is not much fun either.

ultratec1
July 12, 2014, 03:23 PM
I would say some stout 180gr 300 win mag loads rank right up there.

BruceB
July 13, 2014, 12:53 AM
My candidate for this particular affliction would be my Ruger #1H (Tropical) in.416 Rigby.

I have actually loaded it (and chronographed the result!) with a Barnes 300-grain X-bullet..... at a flat 3000 feet per second.

The #1 is generally considered to be a hard-kicking rifle, and with the Barnes 300, well over 100 grains of powder, and that high muzzle speed,...... it lives up to the reputation.

One DEFINITELY does not want to have his tongue between his teeth when the hammer falls; believe me, I KNOW!

Even with the somewhat-slower 400-grain loads, it kicks.... but the higher recoil velocity with the hot 300 really makes itself felt.

The handloaded .416 Rigby will equal the .416 Weatherby, for all practical purposes. Why not? It's essentially the same cartridge.

M1GarandDeerHunter
July 13, 2014, 01:05 AM
If your wanting recoil, 12 ga slugs will do it, tho 200 yards is getting long. :o
Otherwise any WW1 or 2 Milsurp will work.:)
But if you want something that pushes hard, and gets real busy fast when you touch one off, would .50 BMG be enough? :D

Fred in Wisc
July 14, 2014, 11:28 AM
It's a little funny to me that people now talk about 30-06 and Mosins having heavy recoil. I think shooting Ar15s has "recalibrated" people's expectations of recoil in centerfire rifles.

How about a 45/70 with a stout handload or a 338/375 class magnum? The 45/70 lever guns are a hoot to shoot. Touch off a 338/340/375 and you'll definitely know that something big just happened.

Bigger than that, I have to go with Clint Eastwood "A man's gotta know his limitations".....

1948CJ2A
July 14, 2014, 11:33 AM
My 8mm Rem Mag is the hardest recoiling rifle I own, especially when stoked with 200gr Accubonds.

Mosin Bubba
July 14, 2014, 02:18 PM
An M44 with heavy ball ammo will definitely get your attention, and it will also do it a lot more cheaply than some of the other guns listed.

wombat13
July 15, 2014, 09:17 AM
Of course, it does not meet the rifling nor the 200 yards criteria, but for inexpensive (less than a dollar a round) and easy to find (sold everywhere) punch (pain?) in the shoulder, the twelve gauge very basic slug is just great. It's made a .338 Winchester with a nice soft pad feel very delicate.

On the softer, rifled, longer range side of things, my Remington 760 Gamemaster in .30-06 Springfield with a metal but plate is cute. Still pleasant to shoot, but lets you know you have shot it. Noting comparable to the twelve, but it wakes you up after a hundred .22 LR shots. Like others, I will insist on the metal plate part, it just seems of importance. :)
Question for those who have the big bore rifles (say .375 and larger) and hunt turkeys. How does the recoil of the big boomers compare to a 3.5 inch 12 ga. turkey load? The heaviest recoil I've experienced is 2.25 oz of hevi-shot from my 3.5" Remington 870. I shot 8 rounds from a bench sighting in my Burris FF3 sight and that was a few more than I care for.

I do know that the turkey gun is a lot more recoil than .338WM and .300WM, but have never fired any of the bigger bore rifles.

benEzra
July 16, 2014, 02:13 PM
Depending on how much accuracy you want, a deer rifle in .30-06 would fit the bill (if you prefer optics), or a Mosin-Nagant M44 or M91/30 (iron sights only), or a milsurp Mauser/Enfield/Carcano/whatever. I've always thought an Enfield "jungle carbine" (the shorter model) would be fun, but those are a bit pricey.

Or, a Sharps reproduction in .45-70 or .45-110...

If you like AR's, you could look at a .50 Beowulf...

aarondhgraham
July 16, 2014, 02:47 PM
This will put wind in your sails,,,

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=200653&stc=1&d=1405536119

Here is one scoped for $288.00 (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_262/products_id/75810),,,
Delivered to your LGS.

Just a thought,,,

Aarond

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dmurdach
July 16, 2014, 02:56 PM
I know it doesn't meet the bolt action specification, but I will second the 50 beowulf suggestion. being a semi auto you can feel the abuse a few times in rapid succession!

Jlr2267
July 16, 2014, 03:00 PM
Like the handi rifle idea! Course the heaviest recoil to be commonly found is 2 ounce turkey loads and 1-3/4 ounce magnum slugs through any of the 12 gauge single shots. Don't try this from a bench! A 5 pound gun puts out over 100 pounds of sharp recoil, not gentle shove there.
I agree w/this ^

I have a Mosin M44 and Marlin 45-70, which I have loaded very hot...but turkey loads are the absolute worst. I can take about 5 or so and I'm done.

Collector0311
July 16, 2014, 04:21 PM
The steel buttplate on my old 1894 30wcf used to remind me the next morning that I had been shooting the day prior!

illinoisburt
July 16, 2014, 06:10 PM
There is an online calculator which provides some basis for comparison, though action type, stock dimensions, shape, and fit to shooter will make a lot of difference in how recoil is felt. Important number is the "free recoil". Most people find 20 foot pounds to be the limit for comfortable shooting.

http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp

For example: Compare bolt guns in 30-06 180 grain, 2800 fps, 55 grains powder in an 8-1/2 pound rifle at 19 foot pounds of recoil, or a fast 30 cal 180gr at 3200 with 70 grains of powder from an 8-1/2 pound rifle at 27 foot pounds. Get 50% more recoil for those extra 400 fps. If it's the same model gun in two different calibers, you will definitely notice!

For giggles we can throw in the shotguns. 2 ounce turkey load at 1250 fps, 2-1/2 dram equivalent = 875 grains projectile, 1250 fps, 68 grains powder out of a standard 6 pound field gun = 98+ foot pounds of recoil. Won't find many takers for 100 round shooting session with these things. 5 in a box is plenty :-)

(dram is equal to a bit over 27 1/3 grains of powder so 2 dram = 55, 2-1/2 dram = 68. Shot or slug weights 1 ounce = 437-1/2 grains)

justice06rr
July 16, 2014, 07:42 PM
Mosin M44 gives quite a kick for a cheap 7.62 rifle.

You can also try a 12gauge shotgun and shoot slugs through it.

wombat13
July 17, 2014, 09:14 AM
There is an online calculator which provides some basis for comparison...

http://www.handloads.com/calc/recoil.asp

For giggles we can throw in the shotguns. 2 ounce turkey load at 1250 fps, 2-1/2 dram equivalent = 875 grains projectile, 1250 fps, 68 grains powder out of a standard 6 pound field gun = 98+ foot pounds of recoil. Won't find many takers for 100 round shooting session with these things. 5 in a box is plenty :-)

(dram is equal to a bit over 27 1/3 grains of powder so 2 dram = 55, 2-1/2 dram = 68. Shot or slug weights 1 ounce = 437-1/2 grains)

That's an eye opener. I knew the turkey load had some recoil. My hat has almost come off (hat stays still while body and head recoil). I now know to make sure my hat is nice and snug.

The hevishot and longbeard XR loads I use don't list their powder charges. Is 2 dram a standard powder charge for a heavy load?

I put the 2.25 oz shot @ 1200 fps (hevishot 3.5" shell) and used the 68 grains of powder with a 7 lb gun = 95 lbs of recoil. Even a 9 lb. gun only drops the recoil to 74 lbs.

TenDriver
July 17, 2014, 10:56 AM
This is easy. Get a Rossi 92 in 44 Mag.

I've got the following in my safe:
Mosin 91/30
Marlin XL-7 in 270
M1 Garand
Rossi 92
Remington 870 in 12 ga.
Some other stuff that doesn't kick hard.

The Rossi 92 has the most felt recoil of anything in the safe. Full power magnum loads (think Winchester white box), become downright painful due to the small, narrow steel buttplate.

wombat13
July 17, 2014, 11:16 AM
This is easy. Get a Rossi 92 in 44 Mag.

I've got the following in my safe:
Mosin 91/30
Marlin XL-7 in 270
M1 Garand
Rossi 92
Remington 870 in 12 ga.
Some other stuff that doesn't kick hard.

The Rossi 92 has the most felt recoil of anything in the safe. Full power magnum loads (think Winchester white box), become downright painful due to the small, narrow steel buttplate.
This brings up a great point. Does the OP want something that moves him or something that hurts him? Pain can be achieved with a narrow, steel butt plate or using a scope with insufficient eye relief. OTOH, if you want recoil that moves your body, it is hard to accomplish without significant mass exiting the barrel at high velocity. As Illinoisburt demonstrated, the cheapest way to get massive recoil is with a turkey load in a shotgun.

While turkey hunting this year I had to get quickly into position when the tom appeared. I ended up taking the shot while kneeling (one knee down). I ended up flat on my back, but I got the bird!

C.R.
July 20, 2014, 12:54 PM
find yourself an old .303 Enfeild bolt action you will know it whrn you pill the trigger

Col. Plink
July 20, 2014, 11:32 PM
For whatever reason, a synthetic stock Mossberg 100 ATR in 30'06 was painfully jarring. Seemed like there was no holding it tight enough.

Sold it and the guy wrote back to say his girlfriend loved it for that reason!
He goes by Big Mustard around here...

RPRNY
July 21, 2014, 12:09 AM
.243, .257 Roberts, 6.5 x anything, and 7mm-08. All of these are excellent target calibers, and will do for white tail. The 6.5x55 with 1:8 twist and 160 RN will do for elk and moose as might the 7mm-08 in 140 with excellent shot placement.

CZ, Weatherby, and Savage would be where I would look first.

SORRY, wrong answer. Read it as "recoil-phobic" For "recoil-phile",458 win mag, 416 Remington, Ruger or Rigby, or for real retina detaching, powder spewing, ear splitting fun, the 378 Weatherby Mag.

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