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Thompson9494
July 13, 2014, 06:09 PM
Buying a Mosin Nagant has been on my to do list for a pretty long time now. I've always wanted one, but other things came first. I've been looking around at them casually and I had a few questions. Note: I'm more interested in the M44 than the 91/30 because of the M44's shorter barrel but if I found a nice enough 91/30 for the right price, I'd jump on it.

The first one, is it just me, or have Mosins really shot up in price lately? I read all kinds of posts from this forum and others from about 5-ish or more years ago and they're all talking about buying $89 M91/30s and $69 M44s. Nowadays, it seems like an M91/30 is difficult to find below $150 and a M44 can go into the $200 and $300 range for a nice one.

Two, what is a good price for a good condition, matching #s M44 or M91/30 nowadays?

Is the mega-cheap surplus ammo still readily available? Also, are there any special cleaning procedures I need to use after firing corrosive bullets through my Mosin?

Last one, I've heard nightmare stories about the evil demon that is cosmoline, how many gallons of it can I expect to find in the average Mosin?

Thanks!

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herrwalther
July 13, 2014, 06:27 PM
1. Yes. Mosin prices have shot up all over. I bought mine a few months ago for $150 OTD and thought that was a steal since it came with the standard accessories. Felt even better at the price for how accurate it was for a 60 year old rifle.

2. I would not go over $200 for either a 91/30 or M44, and that is pushing it based on year, manufacturing plant etc.

3. I wouldn't call any ammo mega cheap these days. But yes. Typically a place that sells Mosins will have a few spam cans laid out to pick out of.

4. Probably only 1 gallon of cosmoline spread out over the whole rifle. There are 101 ways of removing it and then some. Mineral spirits worked well for me as it melted the cosmoline right off. A small can of break cleaner helped blast what was left out of the rifling and bore.

Jackal
July 13, 2014, 06:50 PM
Find yourself a M38 or Finnish M39 if your going to venture into the $300+ region.

tuj
July 13, 2014, 06:55 PM
A small can of break[sic] cleaner helped blast what was left out of the rifling and bore.

be extremely careful when you do this (wear eye protection). I know of a shooter who lost his vision in an eye when he got brake cleaner into it.

Jlr2267
July 13, 2014, 07:00 PM
91/30's are everywhere for ~$129
Wideners has M44's for < $200

https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=7006&dir=700|701|1029

ZGunner
July 13, 2014, 08:25 PM
I see 91/30s at Gander for $179. No thanks. Used for $120-180.

M44s I've seen lately for ~$200-250.

I believe you can still get spam cans for $90-110. Lower prices on most everything are online and might be a wash after shipping. Your best bet is to get it private party.

Here's a video by Iraqveteran8888 on cleaning after shooting corrosive ammo:
http://youtu.be/VXhF0nHSX_g

mgkdrgn
July 13, 2014, 09:53 PM
91/30's are everywhere for ~$129
Wideners has M44's for < $200

https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=7006&dir=700|701|1029
Plus shipping ... plus transfer fee.

Jlr2267
July 13, 2014, 10:44 PM
Plus shipping ... plus transfer fee.

Get a C&R and end your pain

Mosin Bubba
July 13, 2014, 11:10 PM
I think you are on the right track with the M44. The 91/30 is just so dang long that it is difficult to shoot with. I find the carbine to be a lot more manageable, and I'd say the difference is worth the extra money.

M44s are $230 online at Bud's Gun Shop. I wouldn't give more than that for one, either online or in person. Mosins are great for what they are: fun, strong-as-hell, dirt cheap plinkers. But when there are several budget bolt guns out there that cost around $350 brand new, and will shoot one inch at 100 yards, it's tough to justify over-paying for a Mosin.

Surplus ammo is still widely available and cheap. You should be able to find a spam can for $100, plus or minus a few bucks. There are two different types of combloc ammo: 147 grain light ball and 182 grain heavy ball. For a carbine, you probably want light ball; heavy ball in my M44 kicks pretty good. It does tend to do this (https://www.google.com/search?site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=634&q=m44+fireball&oq=m44+fireball&gs_l=img.3..0j0i5l2.278.1554.0.1685.12.12.0.0.0.0.190.1243.2j7.9.0....0...1ac.1.48.img..3.9.1235.D5F2qFWgf9Y&gws_rd=ssl#q=M44+fireball&tbm=isch&imgdii=_) though :D As far as cleaning it, I use Windex and oil, as outlined here (http://www.theboxotruth.com/educational-zone-13-shooting-cleaning-corrosive-ammo/). I haven't shot my Mosin all that much, but the barrel hasn't rusted yet, so I'll call it good.

The answer to how much cosmoline is on your Mosin is "a lot". Cosmoline was originally an oil-like substance, and the rifles were dunked into a vat of it before they went into storage. Because it went on as a liquid, it will find its way into literally every part of your gun. It isn't hard to remove; you've probably read about a dozen different ways to do it, and all of them will work. But you do have to be thorough.

Hope that helps. Whatever you decide to buy, enjoy your new gun.

BCRider
July 14, 2014, 01:12 PM
Being lighter the carbine version kicks a lot stronger. But you won't notice if shooting on a duller day due to the MASSIVE fireball it kicks out! ! ! ! :D I've got both the full length and carbine version and there's no doubt that the M44 kicks like a mule.

If you're after accuracy with your fun watch the SPAM cans. Quality is inconsistent from can to can depending on age and maker. The cans I bought are poor. But I've heard of folks that got a few good cans where the ammo matches modern commercial stuff. It's a crap shoot though.

If you want to try for the best accuracy then plan on reloading your own ammo eventually. I strongly suggest this for TWO reasons.

First is that you will have more control. It's not hard to make really consistent ammo if you load your own. A little tedious but not hard.

Second reason is that the surplus ammo is copper washed over a steel jacket. I've found that this copper seems to come off all too easily and the rifling becomes copper fouled almost immediately once you start shooting. And it's a bear to clean out. I'm hoping that the proper jacketed bullets I've bought will not leave so much copper behind.

I've actually got two Mosins. My hope is to find out which one is more accurate with my reloads and then dedicate the other to shooting the SPAM can surplus ammo. No more surplus stuff for the GOOD one. Same goes for the M44.

The M44 sort of fell into my lap. I got it from a shooting buddy for $150. And it had to happen since it was born the same year as I was.... :D

Stephen1956
July 14, 2014, 09:36 PM
Wideners in Johnson City, Tenn. good people to do business with and they don't sell junk quality stuff I've bought several nice rifles from them over the years. You can't go wrong and they back up what they sell.

caribou
July 14, 2014, 09:40 PM
Cosmoline is your friend.

Keeps away rust and damage.

Getting a rifle slather'd in such usually indicates it's still 'fresh in the wrap' hasn't been tweaked or messed with, shot rusty and left or any of the other rifle killers out there.

You've scored if its got cosmo!

The trick to a great corrosive ammo shoot is a good clean up, and iits a simple step more than non corrosive, and thats pouring boiling hot soapy water down the chamber, scrubbing and rinsing a couple three times. Then normal patches, solvents, oils and such as any other time you clean your rifle after every use.

Water sounds like poison to the steel, but its not, boiling water gets the metals hot and they dry themselfs very quickly, but more importantly the water flush will dissolve the salts the East Block used in their priming, spew'd down the barrel with each shot, sucking in moisture from the air...

Voodoochile
July 15, 2014, 01:02 PM
Can't help you on the prices because others have hit that nail perfectly.

As far as recoil goes with heavy ball in the M44, both my buddy & I have one & even my wife has no issues with the recoil that it has with Barnaul 174gr. Brown Bear FMJ or even the older 185gr.

To me the M44 or the M38 "if I had one" is a very handy rifle that if you feed it good ammo & get the sights adjusted "had to adjust mine to shoot without bayonet out" will make for a fine rifle out to at least 250 yards.

I also agree with Reloading but suggest slugging the bore to see what is best suited for your rifle because like mine a .311 jacked projectile is best for the .313 bore.

Cooldill
July 15, 2014, 01:15 PM
You don't have a Mosin yet??

Now's the time to buy one! They have been going up in price lately, still pretty reasonable for what your getting IMHO. They won't be going down in price anytime soon though. Don't shy from a 91/30, they are fantastic rifles. They are long but surprisingly handy despite the length. IDK about you but decreased muzzle blast/flash/noise/recoil and increased velocity are all GOOD things! The M44 and other carbines are more compact, sure, but they are darn noisy and seem to recoil more.

As for the cost of ammo, cheap surplus steel case stuff in the sealed cans are still around for not much $. A quick check on ammoseek.com (http://ammoseek.com/ammo/7.62x54r) reveal surplus ammo for as low as $0.18 a round.

Just try and find any type of full power .30 caliber battle rifle ammo for that much $. I'll give you a hint- you won't! And that's a good thing for the Mosin. If you don't reload, like me, an afternoon out with an M1A, '03 Springfield, or even Lee Enfield can be hard on the wallet. Not so with the Mosin Nagant, at least in July 2014. It's actually cheaper to feed than a 9mm handgun round for round, and you can't beat that with a stick. This type of surplus ammo is typically very good quality too, don't think it's junk. As for the steel case, the rifles were specifically made for it and I've NEVER had ANY issues with steel cased ammo in a Mosin. Also, I've never had any issues from a single round of surplus 7.62x54mmR ammo. It's good stuff, and dirt cheap compared to others in it's class!

So in short, get a Mosin! :D!

herrwalther
July 15, 2014, 01:52 PM
Cosmoline is your friend.

It is very important that you keep repeating this to yourself when cleaning the "new" Mosin out the first time.

I understand where others are coming from when saying the 91/30 is a very long rifle, especially if you plan on doing bayonet rushes. I thought for sure my first Mosin was going to be an M44 or the rare 91/59. I ended up getting a 91/30 after handling a clean one at a gun shop and the weight or length wasn't too unreasonable. Still want a M44 or 91/59 so that is my open ended excuse to get one.

sknabnoj
July 15, 2014, 02:55 PM
I've heard there has been a ban put on importing surplus guns back to the US... is there any truth to this and is that the reason for the increase in price? It is my understanding that there are still thousands of these Mosins sitting in crates, overseas, waiting for someone to wipe off the cosmo and start shooting them.

Ryanxia
July 15, 2014, 03:11 PM
I've heard there has been a ban put on importing surplus guns back to the US... is there any truth to this and is that the reason for the increase in price? It is my understanding that there are still thousands of these Mosins sitting in crates, overseas, waiting for someone to wipe off the cosmo and start shooting them.
False.

They really shot up in price with everything else during the panic last year. Don't expect them to drop.

sknabnoj
July 15, 2014, 05:32 PM
That's interesting... I'll have to do some research on the topic and see where the rumor started. I swear I heard of some executive order that the President passed down basically limiting the number of military surplus firearms we would import back into our country (even the ones that we manufactured here). From what I heard this included guns like the Mosin, M1, Enfields etc). It was something to the effect of "We are passing this order to keep military grade weapons off our streets!!". Who knew we had such a problem with milsurp crime!

Thompson9494
July 16, 2014, 05:22 PM
I wanted to thank everyone for all the replies so far and all of the advice! Hopefully I'll be able to buy one here pretty soon and take it to the range!

woodmister
July 16, 2014, 05:39 PM
I bought 2 mosins. I was really curious how I was going to get the cosmoline off, but it turned out to be very easy!

What I did was get a a plastic tub, mineral spirits.. and a toothbrush for the metal parts. I scrubbed a bit with the brush, and just made sure every piece was completely covered and scrubbed. It came off super easy, but a little bit of elbow grease ever hurt to make sure. I let them sit for a while and then dryed them off and oiled up each piece and just let them hang out while I worked on the stocks. For the Barrel, I plugged up one end and poured mineral spirits in and let it sit for a day. Then I used solvent and gun oil to get them clear of anything else. I'll end up shooting out anything that was left over on my first day at the range, then use hot water/ammonia to clean them after.

For the Wood, I cooked them. :) In a makeshift oven. You can see the images
here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36388296/over1.JPG) here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36388296/over2.JPG) here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36388296/over3.JPG) and here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/36388296/over4.JPG).

It actually worked really really well. I cooked em at 10-13 minute intervals, flipping them and repeating. I had to put a metal barrier over the very front part just so I didn't get that part too hot. Not everyone has a diesel shop heater laying around, but the concept is sound, however you can re-enact it.

Once all the cosmoline was out, I lightly stained areas that needed some, and then did a layer of varnish once every other week for 2 months.

They turned out pretty well. I'll post a picture as soon as I get the second one finished, I took a lot more time on it, as it'll be a showy gun, instead of my actual plinker.

- Danny

Shawnpatrick
July 16, 2014, 06:01 PM
The surplus gun importing thing was relating to Korean M1 Garand rifles.

justice06rr
July 16, 2014, 08:49 PM
Get a C&R and end your pain

Not worth the time, effort, and money.

You can easily buy them online and get it shipped to the FFL of your choice.

$170 for a M44 from Wideners.
$230 for a M44 from Classic Firearms.

Those are still excellent prices for a Mosin M44. I bought mine from a friend for $170 a couple of years ago. $170 online now (plus shipping and transfer) is still an excellent deal.

Jlr2267
July 16, 2014, 09:05 PM
Not worth the time, effort, and money.

You can easily buy them online and get it shipped to the FFL of your choice.

$170 for a M44 from Wideners.
$230 for a M44 from Classic Firearms.

Those are still excellent prices for a Mosin M44. I bought mine from a friend for $170 a couple of years ago. $170 online now (plus shipping and transfer) is still an excellent deal.
Takes 30 minutes and $30. Get surplus rifles and handguns shipped to your door and no transfer fee or BG check. Pays for itself with your first purchase. Very much worth it for me.

Stephen1956
July 16, 2014, 09:33 PM
woodmister the best thing I've found to clean the stocks is oven cleaner don't know why it does so well, spray it once wait about 20 minutes and most of the cosmoline will be gone. Takes about 3 times to get it all out but it works in warm weather at least. But I've did several rifle that way and it really does a good job.

SimplyChad
July 17, 2014, 07:43 PM
I got some Type 53s that I love but with heavy ball they will get your attention

vamo
July 17, 2014, 07:57 PM
Sure they aren't as cheap as they were even 2 years ago, but they're still a bargain at the $150 cabelas was asking last time I was there.

As far as the cheap surplus ammo I've not seen any in the last 2 years under $5 for 20 with some mild discounts for buying in bulk. However, this is still cheaper than the cheapest factory offerings which are typically in the $9-12 per 20 range.

Thompson9494
July 19, 2014, 07:38 PM
Thanks for the replies! I've borrowed a very nice M44 from a family member so hopefully I'll get around to firing it within and I decide where I wanna buy one from! Once I get around to firing it I'll let y'all know!!

skeptical_in_Ohio
July 19, 2014, 07:56 PM
Hi-

AIM Surplus (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=709&name=Russian+1891%2f30+7.62x54R+Mosin+Nagant+Rifles) (admittedly plus shipping and FFL since you're in Texas & not Ohio)...

For those who don't want to click the link -

91/30's (didn't see any M44's)
Round receiver - 130
Hex receiver (seen as more desirable by some) - 150 (currently out)
Tula (seen as more desirable by some collectors than Izhevsk) - 140
Add $10 if you want them to pull five and then pick the best of that handful for you. My experience with AIM has been good (buying ammo, though - not guns) but I'd be inclined to trust them to give $10 worth of value for that fee.

I would put their prices for Finnish but those are all currently sold out. Low was $400.

Ammo (http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?groupid=902&name=Russian+7.62x54R+147grn+FMJ) (Russian) - $200 plus $25 shipping anywhere in the US for 880 rounds (two spam cans).

Personally I buy the NC brass stuff from them - they're out right now but generally have not too painful prices on that stuff.

Hope this helps.

Thompson9494
July 20, 2014, 05:29 PM
What is the consensus from everyone about the 'Molot' Mosin Nagants you can buy off of places like classicfirearms.com?? I've heard some people don't like 'em.

Thanks in advance.

caribou
July 21, 2014, 07:20 AM
No problem with Molot, they are just the Russian exporters, not manufacturers or such.

Jlr2267
July 23, 2014, 02:34 AM
No problem with Molot, they are just the Russian exporters, not manufacturers or such.
I agree the Molots are ok. Collectors snub them because they are considered to be recent re-arsenals and w/out historical value...they are exported as sporting/hunting rifles.

I bought one of the $89 specials from classic and it was all matching numbers from Tula...good shooter too.

electrode1998
July 23, 2014, 10:53 AM
After reading the entire thread I am feeling very blessed by my LGS......I picked up one 91/30 for $150 and a 44 for $100 OTD a couple of months ago.

These are in storage right now waiting for my birthday to come later this year........

Both swimming in cosmo with all the normal accessories included and the final bonus to the purchase besides the nice prices was that my LGS let's the customer pick their rifle from the shipping crate they arrived to him in.......

I took my time picking over all the rifles in the lots going over fit, feel, furniture condition, metal condition, date stamps, etc.........

Can't wait to open my birthday presents, clean them up and head to the range with spam can in tow........

TenDriver
July 23, 2014, 02:59 PM
At $100, you stole the M44. Nice pick up. I like my 91/30, but want a M44 to go with it.

Jlr2267
July 23, 2014, 10:57 PM
At $100, you stole the M44. Nice pick up. I like my 91/30, but want a M44 to go with it.
Check Wideners...$169 last week

TrickyDick
July 23, 2014, 11:19 PM
I've got 4 mosins. My favorite is the Finn M39, hands down. It's worth the money, and you should get one while prives are reasonable. As for 91/30's I bought a Molot form classic for $118 to my door (thank you C&R license) its the nicest 91/30 i have.

But if you want a standard 91/30, it's best to hand pick one. I advise you to take a look at http://www.themosincrate.com

Good quality firearms, reasonable prices, and you get the very one shown. the guy is a collector and is selling off some of his collection. some prices may seem high, but it's fully explained why. but hey, you can take a chance and order one you've never seen, or pay a hefty price for junk at your local LGS.

GunnyUSMC
July 25, 2014, 09:47 PM
Don't buy Mosins. They will have nuprotected sex when your at work and you will end up with more then you will know what to do with.
http://i60.tinypic.com/1hlkg.jpg

bainter1212
July 25, 2014, 10:16 PM
Don't buy Mosins. They will have nuprotected sex when your at work and you will end up with more then you will know what to do with.
http://i60.tinypic.com/1hlkg.jpg
Haha!

A Spanish Civil War specimen turned up at my door the other day. He had a carpet bag slung over his shoulder and a five day's beard. I felt so much pity for him I just HAD to house and feed him. He likes to eat Russian surplus....who knew??

Deus Machina
July 26, 2014, 07:47 AM
And now I'm jealous again, Gunny.
Here and I thought I was lucky for getting Ivan for $69.95.

Robbins290
July 26, 2014, 08:03 PM
Jg sales has m44's for 199. Having about a dozen mosins. The m38 and m44 are the best. Nice and short. I like the 44 for having a bayonet

Thompson9494
July 26, 2014, 10:57 PM
About what kind of accuracy can I expect out of an M44 Mosin? I mean, I know that they are by no means the most accurate rifle of their era but I would definitely like to at least to be able shoot decent sized targets at 200 or 300 yards.

Another question, has anyone ever bad luck with a Mosin from J&G, classic firearms, or Wideners?

Last one, many of these websites, classic firearms and Wideners (I've only checked Wideners) require memberships to order and Wideners req's you to be 21 y/o, I've never ordered a firearm before so I was wondering, do you have to be 21 y/o to order ANY kind of firearm of the internet even if it is a C&R gun, if so then I'm hosed for another 13 months.

mgkdrgn
July 26, 2014, 10:59 PM
What is the consensus from everyone about the 'Molot' Mosin Nagants you can buy off of places like classicfirearms.com?? I've heard some people don't like 'em.

Thanks in advance.
I've had the Molots come through my shop and I liked them a LOT. Clean! Very "discrete" import marks. I'd take them again any day.

ford8nr
July 27, 2014, 02:45 AM
About what kind of accuracy can I expect out of an M44 Mosin? I mean, I know that they are by no means the most accurate rifle of their era but I would definitely like to at least to be able shoot decent sized targets at 200 or 300 yards.

The last vintage match I shot with my 91/30 using surplus ammo shooting off a front sand bag was a 403/500 (8 ring average) with the 8 ring being 6". So that's 50 rds at a 100 yards on a 6" plate with iron sights. Winner was shooting a sniper version with a scope and shot a 494/500 with a 2" 10 ring. At 240yds I can keep it on a 12" plate 4 out of 5 off a bench and front sand bag. If it has a decent bbl it'll probably shoot as good as most shooters.

Thompson9494
July 27, 2014, 09:09 PM
GunnyUSMC, you've got a very impressive collection of Mosins!!

RevDerb
July 27, 2014, 09:58 PM
Everything that you ever wanted to know (and more) about Mosins can be found here: http://7.62x54r.net/

GunnyUSMC
July 27, 2014, 10:07 PM
GunnyUSMC, you've got a very impressive collection of Mosins!!
Thank you. I have never been a big fan of the Mosin rifle, But they just keep turning up. I like Turkish Mausers the most.

A Spanish Civil War specimen turned up at my door the other day. He had a carpet bag slung over his shoulder and a five day's beard. I felt so much pity for him I just HAD to house and feed him. He likes to eat Russian surplus....who knew??
Your right about those Spaniards. I have four or five of them and I think they are the root of the problem and the number of Mosins I have.

Jg sales has m44's for 199. Having about a dozen mosins. The m38 and m44 are the best. Nice and short. I like the 44 for having a bayonet
Unprotected Mosin sex will lead to Carbins.
http://i59.tinypic.com/dh3bdj.jpg

The Finn Mosins have remained neutral while at the house and the M91 stay to themselves.

Chrisbradley2001
July 27, 2014, 10:57 PM
Love my m44 carbine I just picked up for 100$

Now for a 91/30


201020

Thompson9494
July 30, 2014, 09:40 PM
How much money would y'all say your average Finnish Mosin is worth? I remember there has been a vendor at the gun show who has had one on his table for last few times I've been there.

TrickyDick
July 30, 2014, 11:17 PM
How much money would y'all say your average Finnish Mosin is worth? I remember there has been a vendor at the gun show who has had one on his table for last few times I've been there.

Depends on manufacturer, year, condition and stock (early straight stocks are worth more) But the price ranges from $350-$600 depending on what you have.

This website will give you an idea, it's where i bought mine, i highly recommend http://www.gunsnammo.com

TrickyDick
July 30, 2014, 11:19 PM
I just clicked on that link, and apparently she hasn't updated the site with new rifles yet. but keep checking back. (Pat is short for Patricia)

GunnyUSMC
July 31, 2014, 05:04 PM
How much money would y'all say your average Finnish Mosin is worth? I remember there has been a vendor at the gun show who has had one on his table for last few times I've been there.

Now which Finn rifle are you asking about. You have what is called Finn captured rifle which are Russian made but put into service by the Finns, M91, M91 Dragoon, 91/30 and the M38.
Then there are the Finn rifles built, M91, M91 Dragoon, 91/30 M24, M27, M28/30 and the M39. These are just a few and there are variants in most models.
Price can start at $250 and go into the thousands.
A Finn M91 will sell for around $300 and then a Dragoon will sell from $300 to $500 depending on what it has on it.
This Finn marked M91 Dragoon is valued at approx. $400. It has the early solid Dragoon bands and a cut down early hand guard.
http://i41.tinypic.com/33wtp1v.jpg

TrickyDick
July 31, 2014, 11:25 PM
I have a Finn M39, and a Finn capture, re-stocked Tula M91. The M91 has seen better days, afterall it was made in 1905

Mosin Bubba
August 1, 2014, 12:00 AM
^And very possibly made it through two world wars. Your gun may not be pretty, but I bet it has some real history.

TrickyDick
August 1, 2014, 11:19 PM
best part is, I got it at a low price of $175. I haven't shot it yet, I slugged the bore, and due to years of corrosion, it slugs at around .308" (built up rust). So I made up some light handloads using 150gr .308" SP. The day i went to the range with it, i forgot those rounds, so i didn't fire it. I'm hoping a few shots will do some minor lapping to clean it up a bit. When i first got it, the bore snake was getting caught up inside the barrel, it was bad.

Diogenes415
August 25, 2014, 06:53 PM
Yes prices are certainly going up and milsurp ammo isn't quite as cheap and abundant as it was a half year ago but it's still a fun and inexpensive rifle to shoot.

Uncle Nubbs
September 11, 2014, 02:43 PM
A good 91/30 can be had for about $140 at least in my market (North Texas). This should include the accessories such as cruciform bayonet, weird oil can and cleaning pouch and tools. Most shops I've gone to keep one on the floor and you get the luck of the draw from the cases in the back. I suppose if you have a good relationship with the shop owner, maybe you could convince him to select one with matching serials but I've never tried this.
Ideally, matching numbers are best. There are four spots: Buttplate, magazine floor plate, bolt handle (under cocking knob) and receiver. There will also be a serial on the bayo but because of the way the russians arsenaled these, its rare for that to match as well.

Other than that, Tula arsenal is preferred to Izshevsk and hex receivers (pre-WWII) are preferred over the later ones. There are resources online to help you identify the proof marks to tell which arsenal produced the rifle. My first one is a 1942 Izshevsk and it shoots just fine! Also got pretty lucky on a heavily figured birch stock. I've attached a little pic.

Anyway, about cosmoline. Yes its messy and it'll most likely be all over everything. I completely disassembled the MN and degreased the metal. Its pretty easy to take down and there aren't a whole lot of parts to it!
As for the woodwork, the stuff is going to be impregnated in there so you'll be dealing with it for a while. What I do is wipe off as much as I can from the wood, wrap it in a towel and leave it in my car for a few weeks. The hot Texas sun will do quite a bit of the work for ya, but it'll make your car smell a bit. I don't mind this but you may. After a few weeks of that, you can pretty much get the rest out if you are planning to redo the stock. I had to get the ugly shellac off mine and I went to a simple BHO finish along with a beeswax stock wax.

Ammo is still plenty available. You can get a 440 round spam can from CTD for I think around 90.00. I pick these up now and then but I shoot privi partisan because its a little cleaner and I like to keep the spam cans stored for later.

The first thought that went through my head when I fired the MN for the first time was "why don't I have ten of these?"

Enjoy

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