Too much .223?


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jgo
July 13, 2014, 10:33 PM
Is it just me or there is .223 everywhere wmart even a small lgs had 2 five ft tall pallets! I wonder if a lot of manufacturers retooled after sandy hook and that is why the 22 shortage???

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monk d
July 13, 2014, 10:44 PM
I noticed that too, it has been building for a couple of months now. The problem I have found is that the Walmart prices are not very good compared to a couple of local guys around here, even for the 700 rd ammo cans that they have. And Lord have mercy, their .22lr is $8 per 100, completely out of sight

TennJed
July 13, 2014, 10:50 PM
Is it just me or there is .223 everywhere wmart even a small lgs had 2 five ft tall pallets! I wonder if a lot of manufacturers retooled after sandy hook and that is why the 22 shortage???
I dont think it has affected 22, i would think retooling would take a while and be pretty expensive

jgo
July 13, 2014, 10:55 PM
I dont think it has affected 22, i would think retooling would take a while and be pretty expensive

I heard its easy the way they have their machines setup only a few hours to retool for a dif caliber but maybe im wrong

ATLDave
July 13, 2014, 10:57 PM
I can easily believe that changing over from, say, 6.8mm to 5.56 is easy. I doubt it's possible to make .223 on the same equipment as .22lr. From what I understand, the manufacturing process has approximately zero steps in common.

Charlie Horse
July 13, 2014, 11:11 PM
It wasn't too long ago that Shooting USA had a segment on hows .22lr is made. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5qMsmucXhI Just to give you an idea of what they have to do to get it to market.

cat_IT_guy
July 13, 2014, 11:42 PM
Plenty of .223 around here, too, but unfortunately I dont think its presence is related to the absence of .22. These days Im shooting nearly as much centerfire as I am rimfire.... something a few years ago I never would have imagined.

RustyShackelford
July 14, 2014, 12:38 AM
Stag Arms of anti-gun/anti 2A CT now makes AR uppers in .300AAC Blackout. Both for right & left hand gunners.
I'm not much of a rifle shooter but a Ruger Scout Rifle in 7.62mm & a Stag Arms .300AAC Blackout, left hand might be in my near future.

I'm not a big .223/5.56x45mm fan so supply/logistics doesn't mean a lot to me.

Rusty
www.StagArms.com

Cooldill
July 14, 2014, 12:45 AM
I don't think that is what caused the .22 shortage, but yes there seems to be an inordinate amount of .223/5.56mm NATO available at all outlets near me and a lack of some other products I'd much rather accumulate.

No doubt that the .223/5.56 market is saturated. I'm not complaining though, it's better than an empty shelf! :D

45_auto
July 14, 2014, 07:01 AM
Any predictions on how many posters ARE NOT going to take advantage of cheap and available .223, yet will be the first to complain next time there is a "shortage"? ;)

MedWheeler
July 14, 2014, 07:48 AM
Monk D writes:

their .22lr is $8 per 100, completely out of sight

For what brand?

Though I have not seen .22LR in stock in a WM in over 18 months, I've never known them to overprice it, or ammo in other calibers, either.

Yes, I am also finding .223 Remington (especially that maker's brand) quite plentiful. Works for me, especially since I just recently got my first firearm capable of firing that caliber.

Sam1911
July 14, 2014, 08:14 AM
I heard its easy the way they have their machines setup only a few hours to retool for a dif caliber but maybe im wrong

Rimfire and centerfire ammo are so very different that they aren't even made in the same plants, let alone on the same equipment. While centerfire trends come and go and the equipment is fairly readily converted to make one or the other, rimfire ammo has always been made and used at a very steady, predictable rate. Huge demand has completely outstripped the abilities of those old established lines to keep up, and building new production facilities is very expensive and takes a year or more.

Tirod
July 14, 2014, 08:17 AM
Since it's Remington it would imply the improvements to the Lonoke, AR plant are coming on line. They recently went thru a major expansion and that would likely be one reason.

Secondly, the market is simply catching up - in military cartridges. Since it's the second panic for them, many who were wanting a back log prepared in advance or were early in the process of replenishment. They weren't going to get caught again.

It's the CIVILIAN market that is enduring their first panic - they ignored round one and scoffed there was any reason to "hoard" ammo when it wasn't their problem. But - for some reason - they panicked this last time, and created the .22 shortage that still endures.

Who's still lining up to get their two boxes early in the morning? Somebody is, the stuff isn't on the shelf yet. Even the Somali pirates aren't sailing, but .22 buyers are still stripping the shelves bare. :evil:

Ryanxia
July 14, 2014, 08:49 AM
.223 may be plentiful but the prices are still pretty inflated in most shops I go into. I'm still thinking that just like the AR's (which can now be had for $450 new on some sites) the ammo will go back down and the market will get nice and saturated again. :D

bannockburn
July 14, 2014, 01:21 PM
Too much .223?

Pretty sure I will never see a downside to that.

buck460XVR
July 14, 2014, 01:25 PM
During the previous panic buying spree after '08, around here .223 was impossible to find and .22 was still plentiful. Now the opposite is true. I believe the supply of .22 has not yet caught up to the recent demand caused by the latest panic and those stocking up on .223 have their cupboards full.

Bruno2
July 14, 2014, 06:12 PM
Any predictions on how many posters ARE NOT going to take advantage of cheap and available .223, yet will be the first to complain next time there is a "shortage"?


I haven't seen any cheap 223. There is plenty of over priced stuff out there. .20 per round is outrageous IMO.

tuj
July 14, 2014, 06:26 PM
priming 22lr is completely different than priming centerfire. Eley spins their cartridges to achieve uniform priming compound distribution. I believe most other manufactures follow a similar method.

Bartholomew Roberts
July 14, 2014, 06:28 PM
I haven't seen any cheap 223. There is plenty of over priced stuff out there. .20 per round is outrageous IMO.

If you can get it to market cheaper than $0.20 per round, I bet you sell all you make.

ms6852
July 14, 2014, 06:36 PM
My local LGS had pallets of the 5.56 during the Obama Drought but was selling it for $1.10 a bullet. I'm sure he made a ton of money from the new hobbyists who did not know any better. I am glad I was stocked enough for a 10 year drought and do not have to purchase any thing or reload during this time.

kcmarine
July 14, 2014, 06:40 PM
Is that an actual thing? Too much .223?

M1key
July 14, 2014, 07:53 PM
I haven't seen any cheap 223. There is plenty of over priced stuff out there. .20 per round is outrageous IMO.

What were you paying? 20 cents per round is darn cheap even for steel imported stuff.


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Sam1911
July 14, 2014, 07:53 PM
I haven't seen any cheap 223. There is plenty of over priced stuff out there. .20 per round is outrageous IMO.

If you can get it to market cheaper than $0.20 per round, I bet you sell all you make.

Good heavens, yes! That's almost as cheap as corrosive Soviet surplus 5.45x39 WAS a few years ago! $0.20 a round for 5.56 nato will have a line of shooters out the door and down the block!

76shuvlinoff
July 14, 2014, 08:02 PM
Brass .223 for $.20/rd? ok I'll take 5000.

Stephen1956
July 14, 2014, 09:01 PM
At my local Wally World the Winchester 555 packs are around $24.00 when you find them they're supposed to send you a e-mail when they come in. But after 3 weeks I'm still waiting for the e-mail that's the way it goes. As for .223 in 2011 I bought a lot of brass, bullets, and powder and started reloading and the bullets have came down some I think Rocky Mountain Reloading has them for around $45.00 for 500 and free shipping.

sawdeanz
July 14, 2014, 09:23 PM
Ive seen tons too. Why dont I have an ar yet?! But I cant really justify even a $600 gun now

sappyg
July 14, 2014, 09:23 PM
Is it just me or there is .223 everywhere wmart even a small lgs had 2 five ft tall pallets! I wonder if a lot of manufacturers retooled after sandy hook and that is why the 22 shortage???

Around here 223 was getting to be slim pickings (along with everything else) but it was usually available for a price. There is plenty now for sure and I'm OK with that.

I believe 22lr. Is another matter and has little, if anything, to do with 223 ammo. Lots of new gun owners... Lots.... They want cheap guns and cheap ammo. Imagine 30 million buyers (I'm guessing here) coming into the market overnight. Each one wants a brick of ammo for their new gun.

22 lr is coming back now. It's not unusual to see it on the shelves lately.

danez71
July 14, 2014, 10:00 PM
Too much .223?


:scrutiny:



Never too much. ;)

FuzzyBunny
July 14, 2014, 10:23 PM
Too much .223?

Thats like too much money.

mboylan
July 15, 2014, 03:55 AM
Is it just me or there is .223 everywhere wmart even a small lgs had 2 five ft tall pallets! I wonder if a lot of manufacturers retooled after sandy hook and that is why the 22 shortage???
Rimfire ammo uses a completely different and much more complicated manufacturing process than centerfire ammo. The machinery is in no way compatible. The set-up for rimfire manufacturing is absolutely huge in comparison to centerfire. It is also much more expensive to start and requires more labor and operating cost.

olm911
July 15, 2014, 06:57 AM
I heard its easy the way they have their machines setup only a few hours to retool for a dif caliber but maybe im wrong

My understanding is that 22lr uses entirely different machinery for the loading process.

Jorg Nysgerrig
July 15, 2014, 09:37 PM
Still waiting to see where/when Bruno2 was seeing factory .223 for less than 20 cents a round. I haven't seen prices like that since 2006 or so.

I suspect it was nothing other than a stubborn denial of reality.

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