Someone On The High Road Should Be Able To Answer This Question


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sonny
February 5, 2003, 11:36 PM
Let's say you owned a NEW mini 14 or a similar semi auto rifle,and you kept it in it's stock configuration ...O.K..here's where the question comes in..........you also own a folding stock and a flash suprresor for a mini 14 but you have not installed it on your weapon.
Are you a felon?.....have you broken any law......is it against the law to own parts that have the ability to transform your legal weapon into an assault weapon?
I'm serious........I can see a lawyer having a field day with this.
Please point me to any link that can confirm or deny this,or just give an opinion if thats all you have.......thanks :)

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Thumper
February 5, 2003, 11:46 PM
It's legal here. Have no clue about your own situation as I con't know where you're located.

Blackhawk
February 6, 2003, 12:03 AM
The only way you become a felon is by being convicted of a felony. The condition is permanent....

Baba Louie
February 6, 2003, 12:15 AM
As you may (or may not) know, the ATF was successful in their case against Ken Ballew (read Unintended Consequences) because they claimed he "could make hand grenades from the bits and pieces he had in his possession" (casing, primers, powder, etc.) Or so I've read/been told.

The same in regards to silencers, and or just owning the parts necessary to fit into an M-16, I believe its the trigger, disconnector, etc, even if you do not own an auto-sear, and you are the legal owner of an AR-15.

Its a felony to own certain parts that can allow you to "convert" it (your legally owned semi-automatic firearm into an NFA firearm.

But that's at the Federal level of legistation/bureau ruling level.

At the state level, I beleive that the CA DOJ did something like that in regards to someones legally owned SKS with a detachable magazine. First it was OK, they later re-nigged and he had to turn it in.

Worst case is they could break you financially paying legal fees and still get a conviction if they were pre-disposed.

Ride with the law, not agin it.

Of course, I could be wrong. (doesn't help much does it?) You may want to ask a legal beagle.

Adios

Hkmp5sd
February 6, 2003, 12:16 AM
ATF has always held the position that if you have the parts to assemble an illegal weapon, you are in possession of that illegal weapon whether or not you actually install the parts.

For example, I own both an M16A1 and a Colt AR-15. ATF has decided that if I buy spare parts for my M16A1, merely having those parts along with an AR-15 places me in possession of an unregistered machinegun.

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter52.txt

A little closer to your situation is this one. A person with a registered HK full auto sear installed into an HK SP-89 (semi-automatic pistol) also installed a collapsible stock to his "machinegun". ATF informed him that if he removes the auto sear from the gun (and even if he retains ownership of that sear), he must either render the SP-89 incapable of accepting the collapsible stock or dispose of the collapsible stock. They ruled that having both the SP-89 and the uninstalled collapsible stock caused him to be in possession of an unregistered short barreled rifle (SBR).

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter59.txt

10-Ring
February 6, 2003, 12:19 AM
I'm not 100% sure on this, but in CA, the possession of such things isn't illegal, but the installation on your rifle would be...if it hadn't been registered in such configuration prior to a specific date of which I don't recall.

EJ
February 6, 2003, 12:19 AM
Brain Freeze --Sorry

The folder would have a pistolgrip--

and that's two things-- right:banghead:

Hkmp5sd
February 6, 2003, 12:20 AM
keep the folder with pistolgrip--That setupwould be legal--

No it would not. That counts as two seperate evil items.

Kahr carrier
February 6, 2003, 06:54 AM
Yep.:( If you are in the Prk you might want to do a little reading at the Doj site that might help you.:)

BigG
February 6, 2003, 08:24 AM
Time to add another layer of tinfoil. :uhoh:

Now you can be prosecuted for your thoughts. You had a part considered a machine gun by ATF and a rifle. They automatically assume you put the two together without evidence. :scrutiny:

Carbon_15
February 6, 2003, 09:52 AM
Let me get this straight...I have some tide in my laundry room, some styrophome in the trashcan and some diesel fuel in the garage..so I am in possetion of homemade Napalm?:scrutiny:


Tim Wilson was right..."its a sorry world"

Tamara
February 6, 2003, 09:54 AM
I've heard of cases made on cheesier pretexts.

larry_minn
February 6, 2003, 12:28 PM
IF you add a book or writing showing how to combine the three and best amounts of each. Or it could be shown you have the knowledge some idiot would prob try to make the case.
Who here had not heard of the type of bomb that was part of explosion at OKC?
How many of us played with that stuff in High School after reading about it or seeing it on TV?
I went to Sheriff about 3 months after OKC to renew my expolsives permit. He asked if I ever added home brew. I said yes. He asked if I would stop. I said I would consider it. I am legal to purchase explosives, transport to my work site, blow things up but he is worried that I will mix up some home brew?

Politically Incorrect
February 6, 2003, 02:01 PM
Technicalities can get you in trouble. :rolleyes:

Sometimes owning weapons make you feel like you're jumping through hoops like a trained animal.

"No bayonet lug. Good boy. Now sit!"

Doesn't it just make you sick? :mad:

Justin
February 6, 2003, 02:10 PM
Its a felony to own certain parts that can allow you to "convert" it (your legally owned semi-automatic firearm into an NFA firearm. I guess that means we all have to get rid of our shoelaces and wear only velcro shoes?:uhoh: :scrutiny:

rock jock
February 6, 2003, 02:12 PM
sonny,

Some of the opinions posted here may be correct, but they may also be pure speculation. When dealing with gun regulations, your safest bet is to either contact a lawyer who specializes in this area, or contact the ATF for an opinion, or both. In either case, request specific citations to the regulations or policy memoranda which is related directly to your question.

sonny
February 6, 2003, 04:53 PM
Rockjock.........your advice is solid..........ultimately the answer to this question does not concern me but I think that we should do our best on the Highoad to KNOW the answers to questions like mine..........I will do some reaearch on my own and I remain hopefull that someone will know the answer.

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