SIG P-250 - The Perfect Handgun


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Go For Broke
July 16, 2014, 10:21 PM
Okay, I love the Sig P-250.

But what's up with the rear sight being integrated with the safety thingy?

Does anyone have a reasonable excuse that SIG promotes?

Thanks,

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MikeJackmin
July 17, 2014, 09:42 AM
I'm guessing here...

I think the original design lacked the safety - it's a double action pistol, after all, and there's no reason why a properly engineered, lightweight firing pin backed by a spring would present any sort of a drop hazard. I think that the safety was a very late addition, driven either by a regulation in some important market, or perhaps because of an ignition problem what required a heavier firing pin. Then I think they stuffed it into the rear sight like that to minimize the number of parts that would have to be changed.

This is purely speculative, a result of staring at the thing and trying to second-guess what they were thinking.

Nobody in the after-market sight business wants to assume the liability of replacing a safety feature, so that pretty much killed any hope of support for the P250 platform. Personally, I'm quite happy with the sights so it's not a problem for me, but I'm guessing you won't see any more designers embracing this approach.

Is the P250 the perfect gun? It's perfect for the niche _I_ have for it... a modern bulldog revolver, a small heavy, with windex-bottle simplicity. I hope the modular concept catches on, but we'll see.

Speaking of modularity, I've long argued that the world need a lightweight, pistol-caliber, double-action carbine for home defense use by non gun-enthusiasts. Something that is light and handy, recoils gently, hits hard enough to matter, is forgiving of a lack of trigger discipline, and has a manual of arms no more complex than a double action revolver. A P250 carbine could be an awesome thing.

Fishbed77
July 17, 2014, 11:06 AM
SIG P-250 - The Perfect Handgun

Perfect for what?

Perfect for failing in just about every test for adoption by a law enforcement agency (ATF, Dutch Police, etc.)?

There is a reason SIG expanded SP2022 production and has introduced the P320 while their marketing has been quietly sweeping the P250 under the rug.

Sal1911A1
July 17, 2014, 08:01 PM
P250 Perfection!!!

I love the P250 as well. So many shooters bad mouth the P250 and never held or shot one. We have a whole generation of shooters and instructors that never shot a DAO revolver or DAO anything.

I hear it all the time about the P250. I guess shooters want a fast short trigger with a handgun for super quick split times.

The P250 has so many great features:

proper grip size to shooter

Fantastic DAO trigger

The best ergonomic of any handgun I felt.

No sharp edges enclosed no snag hammer

Magazines are quality. Night sights available.

Conversion Kits a big plus, I just received my 9mm carry kit and shot a few hundred, it ran perfect.

High capacity my 45 carry has 9 in the mag one in the pipe for ten rounds.

100 percent reliable

The gun is so simple not much can go wrong with it.

I can go on but you get it.

Look at all the P320 lovers coming out, The P250 has all the features but in DAO but it's the first pistol they dismiss.

Tommygunn
July 17, 2014, 08:29 PM
P250 Perfection!!!

I love the P250 as well. So many shooters bad mouth the P250 and never held or shot one. We have a whole generation of shooters and instructors that never shot a DAO revolver or DAO anything.

I hear it all the time about the P250. I guess shooters want a fast short trigger with a handgun for super quick split times.

The P250 has so many great features:

proper grip size to shooter

Fantastic DAO trigger

The best ergonomic of any handgun I felt.

No sharp edges enclosed no snag hammer

Magazines are quality. Night sights available.

Conversion Kits a big plus, I just received my 9mm carry kit and shot a few hundred, it ran perfect.

High capacity my 45 carry has 9 in the mag one in the pipe for ten rounds.

100 percent reliable

The gun is so simple not much can go wrong with it.

I can go on but you get it.

Look at all the P320 lovers coming out, The P250 has all the features but in DAO but it's the first pistol they dismiss.
I agree with those points as well. I just purchased a P-250 in 9mm. at the end of June and it is a very nice gun. Good ergonomic grip, easy to use, night sights, easy takedown and reassembly. A shame it gets badmouthed.
I understand people have their preferences in guns. I do too. But I won't say that a gun I do not "like" is a bad gun .... just that it is not my "cup of tea."
We all have our tastes in these things.

browningguy
July 17, 2014, 08:38 PM
Well I don't like dao pistols, so that would automatically kick it out of the best category.

Gun Master
July 17, 2014, 09:23 PM
Okay, I love the Sig P-250.

But what's up with the rear sight being integrated with the safety thingy?

Does anyone have a reasonable excuse that SIG promotes?

Thanks,
What about the P-210 ?

Also, what about the price ?

I love it, but can't afford it .

I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. :uhoh:

Sal1911A1
July 17, 2014, 09:44 PM
The rear sight is fixed in the slide to make it more durable, so it can't get knock off center. It is a strong set up, easy to replace if needed.

That's my guess

Sauer Grapes
July 17, 2014, 09:47 PM
I bought a 250 when they originally hit the market. I was quite use to shooting DA revolvers so I figured, why not.

Loved the ergo feel of the gun. Trigger is long, but mine was smooth as glass.
Most of us are spoiled shooting short triggers with shot resets. If you can master the trigger control, they are good guns IMO.

I've since moved on from the P250, but I think for a carry gun, your well armed if u practice with it.
As far as the FBI trials, I think it's a lot of hog wash. I never had a minutes problem with mine thru about 1,200 rounds.

Capt. Ct.
July 17, 2014, 10:56 PM
I can't say that I was all that thrilled with mine. It gave me light primer strikes. I sent it back for the upgrade. This was on my dime. When I got it back it still game me light primer strikes. The conversion modules were not available. Maybe someday. I also didn't like the double action only trigger. Don't get me wrong on the trigger. It was quite smooth. I just don't like double action only and will never buy another. This pistol is not my perfect handgun by a mile.

NWcityguy2
July 18, 2014, 12:40 AM
I hear it all the time about the P250. I guess shooters want a fast short trigger with a handgun for super quick split times.

Fast and accurate shooting is literally the most important thing when talking about defensive handguns. Nothing else even comes close.

ljnowell
July 18, 2014, 02:43 AM
I shoot bullseye competitions DAO with a revolver. My daily carry is shot DAO, again a revolver. I have a glock21 that I shoot very well. The Sig p250 I shot? Worst trigger I have ever felt.

bannockburn
July 18, 2014, 11:14 AM
Sorry but not my idea of the "perfect handgun" either. I have tried them though and thought while the modular design was interesting (but hard to find and a bjt expensive), that if you're going to make a DAO gun then you should make it with a really great DAO trigger. Well the ones I tried had nowhere near that kind of trigger, making for a rather unsatisfying experience. Not exactly what I'm looking for in a pistol.

zoom6zoom
July 18, 2014, 04:49 PM
As far as the FBI trials, I think it's a lot of hog wash.
To be fair, some of the early guns did have issues. But they have long since been addressed.

Sauer Grapes
July 18, 2014, 08:29 PM
Someone explain to me why it's a crap DA trigger. Too long? I'll agree it's longer than say, a S&W revolver but so is a Ruger revolver and probably a lot of other pistols. I've never shot all that many DAO semis. And most that I shot suck.
How does it measure against other Sig DAO pistols?

JDGray
July 18, 2014, 08:38 PM
I seen a guy at the range with one. He was swearing because he broke a spring taking it apart to show his buddy how cool it was....

longknife12
July 18, 2014, 08:43 PM
Haven't had any problems with mine. I use the SC as a carry gun. So far, no burps. My problem is I don't get out with it enough!
Dan
;)

Onward Allusion
July 18, 2014, 10:46 PM
The P250's had some issues in the beginning and couldn't shake its first-impression with users. Even after getting the bugs ironed out, the public didn't really give it a second chance. Kind of reminds me of S&W and the 1st Gen Sigmas with the occasional issue and the reliable-awesome-value-for-the-money 2nd Gen Sigmas.

I have two of 'em and a few X-change kits. They are great guns IMO, but they are not for everyone. Not everyone likes the heavy true-DAO trigger. The modular design, different grip sizes, & changeable trigger is what sold me on the gun. It's a great value for the money. It's accurate, reliable, versatile, and has good ergos.

As for the safety . . . I'm guessing it came as an afterthought to sell folks who do not feel comfortable with a Glock-like gun, even though the P250 has a heavier trigger. Most P250's do not have that "feature". The 2 that I have do not.

burk
July 20, 2014, 02:28 PM
Sorry but not my idea of the "perfect handgun" either. I have tried them though and thought while the modular design was interesting (but hard to find and a bjt expensive), that if you're going to make a DAO gun then you should make it with a really great DAO trigger. Well the ones I tried had nowhere near that kind of trigger, making for a rather unsatisfying experience. Not exactly what I'm looking for in a pistol.

I couldn't agree more. For the record pre Newtown I saw P250's on sale regularly for $349. At that price they were a good value and certainly competitive with some of the other entry level guns from major makers like the SW9 VE or the P95. Now they are well north of $500, and some models are pushing $600. Really? At that price there are a host of other handguns that are made to withstand serious use. I'm not anti-Sig, and I recommend the P2022 (a FAR better value than the 250) and the new 320 all of the time. The reality that trigger is just not a serious trigger for a semi-auto handgun.

MikeJackmin
July 20, 2014, 06:11 PM
Summit has the compacts and subcompacts for $379, with night sights:

http://summitgunbroker.com/p250sc.html

http://summitgunbroker.com/p250c.html

TennJed
July 20, 2014, 06:44 PM
I couldn't agree more. For the record pre Newtown I saw P250's on sale regularly for $349. At that price they were a good value and certainly competitive with some of the other entry level guns from major makers like the SW9 VE or the P95. Now they are well north of $500, and some models are pushing $600. Really? At that price there are a host of other handguns that are made to withstand serious use. I'm not anti-Sig, and I recommend the P2022 (a FAR better value than the 250) and the new 320 all of the time. The reality that trigger is just not a serious trigger for a semi-auto handgun.
They are fairly easy to find right at or under $400. Also for some reason some of them run over $500. I dont really understand this about Sigs.

Take Buds gun shop. They have one model of P220 for $550 and then several othe models substantially higher. Last time i looked they had one model P250 in 380 for around $400 and at the same time anothet listing for a p250 380 for over $500.

They have so many different variants of the same gun, one model can be all over the map

ritepath
July 20, 2014, 07:19 PM
Good news is the p250 has been a good test bed for the new 320.

I almost ordered one last night after checking out an overpriced one at the LGS.

I've put some trigger time behind a friends 250....IMHO....thanks anyway. I'd rather shoot my DW's 642 if that's the kind of trigger I'm gonna have to use.

PS....I love my 220 :D

http://www.kygunco.com/category.cfm/keenes/sig-sauer-handguns

Go For Broke
July 22, 2014, 11:15 PM
Well I'm a die hard revolver fan, so the DAO works.

Dutch police as I understand were not satisfied with SIG's delivery potential. Maybe there was some politics too.

Yes, first generations P-250s had problems.

Cops as shooters and therefore qualified to judge...getting fewer and fewer.

Armor Snail
July 23, 2014, 10:32 AM
Brother in Law has one.
Awful DAO.
My S&W 10 is fantastic.
My Taurus TCP is great.

The Kahr I tried was nice.

250 felt like a spongy spring.
Worst trigger ever.

Rather shoot my CZ70 in DA with its 20lb pull

TennJed
July 23, 2014, 07:41 PM
Brother in Law has one.
Awful DAO.
My S&W 10 is fantastic.
My Taurus TCP is great.

The Kahr I tried was nice.

250 felt like a spongy spring.
Worst trigger ever.

Rather shoot my CZ70 in DA with its 20lb pull
I suspect that was a bad one and not the usual p250. Most people (myself included ) considered it one of the best DAO triggers

Gun Master
July 23, 2014, 08:14 PM
I suspect that was a bad one and not the usual p250. Most people (myself included ) considered it one of the best DAO triggers
DAO - Naaah, most of the time.

SA/DA option, with safety/decocker, Yeaaah, all the time.:D

FireInCairo
August 16, 2014, 12:58 AM
I checked out a new one at the LGS today. It had a fantastic DAO trigger. The early ones have a terrible reputation with good reason, but people are saying the newer ones are better.

If I bought one and it proved reliable through a few hundred rounds, I would consider carrying one daily.

Sheepdog1968
August 17, 2014, 12:31 AM
Assuming the pistol is reliable, the the perfect pistol is the one the feels best in my hand if that's the 250 for you congrats. Enjoy it and shoot it a lot.

UpperAtmosphere
August 17, 2014, 01:28 AM
The trigger on mine is smooth as glass, but I'm just not a fan of the mile long trigger pull.

GoldieMI
August 17, 2014, 07:21 PM
The trigger on mine is smooth as glass, but I'm just not a fan of the mile long trigger pull.

Same with my 2011 250-Compact
was a blast to shoot in .357SIG but hated the trigger pull...smooth just way too long.
even with the exchange kits for 9mm/45ACP to go with it...just traded it straight up for a NIB P226

jdmb03
August 17, 2014, 08:49 PM
SIG P-250 - The Perfect Handgun

Perfect for what?

Perfect for failing in just about every test for adoption by a law enforcement agency (ATF, Dutch Police, etc.)?

There is a reason SIG expanded SP2022 production and has introduced the P320 while their marketing has been quietly sweeping the P250 under the rug.

Big deal, you say it doesn't pass government tests. I don't buy guns based on government findings. The P250 is an excellent DAO and the P320 is an excellent striker fired gun. They serve me and many well.

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