Concealed carry on a motorcycle.


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xxjumbojimboxx
July 17, 2014, 07:21 PM
Ive been riding a lot more lately as I just picked up a new motorcycle. Is there anything I should know about this circumstance? Obviously retention is a must... but is there anything else that doesn't jump out at me?

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shooting time
July 17, 2014, 07:45 PM
I use a concealed carry motorcycle vest it has a pocket on the inside with a elastic holster sewn in on each side

benEzra
July 17, 2014, 08:04 PM
Just be aware of the possibility of falling on the gun in the event (hopefully unlikely) that you go down...small-of-back carry would probably not be the ideal choice because it could damage vertebrae if you fell on it, though that carry mode isn't common anymore anyway.

Also, I think if it were me I'd want a holster that would protect the trigger guard well in the event of an impact, and for riding in the summer Kydex might be a better choice than leather due to heat/humidity.

Concealment with a hip holster is a little harder when bent forward than when you are sitting upright (obviously more of an issue with a sport bike than a more upright style), and of course wind is an issue. Appendix carry would be uncomfortable. You could look into a shoulder holster but I don't have personal experience with one.

Steel Horse Rider
July 17, 2014, 08:12 PM
I think a tank bag would work well without he worries stated.

splattergun
July 17, 2014, 08:22 PM
I've seen a couple come un-concealed on bikes, the latest was just Monday morning. His piece was tucke into his jeans, but the butt was protruding out of his vest and shirt. Make sure you stay covered.

xxjumbojimboxx
July 17, 2014, 08:31 PM
I use a concealed carry motorcycle vest it has a pocket on the inside with a elastic holster sewn in on each side
Do you have a link for that?

And steel horse, I don't want to put it in a bag, Because it would have to be removed from said bag if I got off the bike, and that would be in public.

Redlg155
July 17, 2014, 08:32 PM
I know its exactly not the topic, but I vaguely remember Motorcycle officers having problems with the vibration pullets pulling out of the casings back when revolvers were the norm.

Any one else heard of this?

Drail
July 17, 2014, 08:45 PM
That had to be some pretty lousy ammo for vibration to pull bullets. Of course we are probably talking Harley Davidson motorcycles here, right? I've seen a few of those undergo vibration induced self disassembly. Those engines are the reason Loctite was invented.:D I carried and rode for years (not any more) and one thing I learned was to keep the gun on you and not on the bike - at all times. Three guys jumped out of a car one day at a light and tried to take my bike. You just never know when you might need your gun. On another occasion I went down hard with a Galco Miami shoulder rig carrying my gun. It retained the gun perfectly.

another pake
July 17, 2014, 09:00 PM
http://www.foxcreekleather.com

Great company. The best products. Yes they make a gun pocket vest.

Larry Ashcraft
July 17, 2014, 09:18 PM
I normally carry a Lightweight Commander OWB, but on the motorcycle, the wind will either uncover it or make it print badly. I just put a Keltec P3AT in a pocket holster inside the vest pocket of my Joe Rocket jacket if I'm going on an extended ride.

When I ride to work, I carry both, so I don't have to carry the little .380 all day. I figure if people see a middle aged guy on a Harley, obviously carrying a 1911, they'll probably leave me alone. ;)

Capt. Capsize
July 17, 2014, 09:33 PM
I have been riding and carrying for many years. I usually carry a Colt Pocket Lite .380 in a belt worn leather zippered pouch. If I think I will be riding in a bad area I will carry a Para Ordnance P-10 .45 acp in a slightly bigger zippered pouch. The .380 has saved me from being mugged twice and I never had to fire a shot.

bergmen
July 17, 2014, 11:11 PM
I do not carry "on person" when riding (been riding for 50+ years). I also don't have my Swiss Army Knife or Leatherman on my belt either.

All for the same reasons, I don't want to have these break bones as I'm tumbling down the road.

Way back in the day I did a low side at about 35mph on a Honda Super Hawk. Hanging from my belt was my Boy Scout Knife and it put a nasty bruise on my backside.

I have my 442 in my left hard locked saddlebag. I can gear up if I need or want to when I'm stopped (either going into a store, bank, whatever or if I'm on the side of the road broke down, outta gas or have a flat, etc.).

Dan

Tallbald
July 18, 2014, 03:11 AM
When my loving wife and I ride our scooters in town (don't laugh---we gave up bigger two wheelers after her open heart surgery and my multiple spinal surgeries) I just carry my revolver in a belt or shoulder holster. We are an open carry state so I may or may not wear a shirt or jacket over it. Interesting observation though-drivers in cars don't tailgate us as we putt along at or below the speed limit. Don

LT.Diver
July 18, 2014, 06:53 AM
If you dress like a typical biker no one will notice your gun. They'll be too busy laughing at your bandana, chaps, vest, sleeveless shirt, wallet chain, fingerless gloves, 4" wide watch band, foo man choo stash, 13 eagle and indian tattoos, and the 52 rude stickers that you got at a flea market and pasted on your brain bucket helmet.
A gun will probably be the only sane looking item on your wardrobe.
Just kidding, bikers are wicked cool :0)

Sug008
July 18, 2014, 07:11 AM
I use this: http://stonerholsters.com/stoner-concealed-carry-strapless-shoulder-holster

Just a suggestion, may not work for you.

I wear the gun slightly off position for normal shoulder carry, it is under arm but back toward shoulder blade more. This is because I still favor a semi-sport bike / semi-sport tuck riding position. The "holster" definitely stays put for long days on the bike (12+ hrs) and my Beretta PX4SC stays put in the holster, no issues. (But I also think the PX4SC is kind of the upper limit in terms of pistol size for this "holster". I tried my Cougar and it simply would not fit.) I wear under my riding jacket and over a T-shirt. When I want to remove the jacket, it is usually a simple task to transfer the PX4SC to a pocket somewhere. (I favor "adventure" style pants with cargo pockets.)

The same straps do work as an IWB set up, but I am not comfortable IWB. Depending on your bike/riding style, that might work better for you.

scaatylobo
July 18, 2014, 09:15 AM
I find it funny that y'all change your carry habits when riding 2 instead of 4 wheels.

I ride a Harley 2002 Roadking,and still carry as I have since I got her [ and previous 2 wheelers ] = exactly the same as I always do.

Strong side 4 O'clock [ approx. ].

I use a vest or shirt to cover the piece [ as I do all the time ] so I don't find it akard trying to adapt to another style of holster.

I worry more about the rest of my body IF there is an accident ,than I do about what if anything the pistol will do to me.

buck460XVR
July 18, 2014, 10:14 AM
I've found that for riding, a J-frame in an ankle holster provides the best accessibility while riding, good retention and it does not stick my passenger in the stomach. It also is in a area that is least likely to injure should I go down.

tyeo098
July 18, 2014, 11:17 AM
I just carry as normal, 3 o'clock with my CZ75 in a Crossbreed supertuck.
If I'm feeling fancy I'll pull out the OC holster.

Since I switched back to the CZ from my little CPX-2 my gf has noted the grip poking her thigh.

I don't mind it :)

anothernewb
July 18, 2014, 12:07 PM
I carry a revolver in the saddle bag. it's not quite concealed carry, but I've never needed it other than to dispatch a deer that was hit by a car.

Thought about a vest or similar for carrying a compact though more than once.

bigfatdave
July 18, 2014, 12:59 PM
I don't carry off-body because that's transporting, not carry.

I rarely do anything special when on my bike, the same gun as normal goes IWB just behind my right hip, spare mags behind left hip.
Sometimes, when I'm in the mood, I OC a fullsize or larger 1911 in my Dragon LeatherWorks flatjack on the bike, just because.

I do tend to use slim flat autoloaders, so if I go down on it, it should dig into me less than something wider or with a bulge.

Esoxchaser
July 18, 2014, 01:11 PM
Galco Miami classic shoulder rig under my jacket.

chris in va
July 18, 2014, 05:02 PM
I wrecked my Goldwing last year.

My Kahr K9 was in my chest jacket pocket, on the advice of other CC bike riders. My Swisstool knife was on my hip and left a nice bruise, and my watch cut my wrist pretty bad...among other injuries.

My advice, DON'T wear a piece of steel on your hip. And despite most guns being drop safe, I might also recommend carrying unchambered when actually on the bike.


All for the same reasons, I don't want to have these break bones as I'm tumbling down the road.

Exactly.

Zach S
July 18, 2014, 08:29 PM
I've looked into this before, and it seems like anyone who went down while carrying wont wear a gun on their hip. One guy I spoke to went down twice. He carried IWB about 4 oclock, but rolling around on his pistol caused some back problems (or made them worse?). While his back was healing he fixed his bike, then started carrying in a repro M7 shoulder/chest holster. He said the second time he went down, the accident was worse (totaled the bike), but his injuries weren't. Sore a few days, riding again in a week.

That had to be some pretty lousy ammo for vibration to pull bullets. Of course we are probably talking Harley Davidson motorcycles here, right? I've seen a few of those undergo vibration induced self disassembly.
You sound like you're talking about a shovlehead... A buddy of mine lost two or three license plate brackets, finally had one TIGed to the rear fender...

I could see a shovel shaking bullets loose...

http://www.foxcreekleather.com

Great company. The best products. Yes they make a gun pocket vest.
I used to sell leather... Paul's products are top notch. He's a little weird, but a real nice guy.

SeanSw
July 19, 2014, 12:05 PM
I decided early on that ccw wasn't a priority while riding and stored my rig in a backpack over the rear. Going down on on the bike is much more likely than needed immediate access to a firearm.

It didn't take long to find myself going down an impassible road and encounter three dogs (two pit bull mixed breed and one 3 legged German shepherd) who came straight out of the woods and were not happy about where I was forced to stop. It was a narrow gravel road, maybe 8 feet across, with sharp shoulders dropping 3 feet into a flooded ditch. Getting out required stopping and carefully turning the bike around while threee dogs circled me on all sides barking and snarling. Any one of those dogs could have easily pulled me off the bike with the poor footing and caused me to fall under the motorcycle, and I would have been completely defenseless against 3 dogs. I was wearing a lot of gear but it's still not going to keep the fingers attached to my hand or prevent my throat from getting torn out.

I tried to keep my cool and got the bike turned around as quickly as possible but the dogs were close enough to kick and had me on all sides. I couldn't speed off because of the road conditions so I slowly moved out with as much control as possible (going down being much worse than having my legs bit) and every one of those dogs followed me down the road at least half a mile and I didn't lose one of them until I was able to accelerate past 35mph.

It is definitely time to rethink my motorcycle ccw options.

Walkalong
July 19, 2014, 08:38 PM
I use this: http://stonerholsters.com/stoner-concealed-carry-strapless-shoulder-holster

Just a suggestion, may not work for you.

I wear the gun slightly off position for normal shoulder carry, it is under arm but back toward shoulder blade more. This is because I still favor a semi-sport bike / semi-sport tuck riding position. The "holster" definitely stays put for long days on the bike (12+ hrs) and my Beretta PX4SC stays put in the holster, no issues. (But I also think the PX4SC is kind of the upper limit in terms of pistol size for this "holster". I tried my Cougar and it simply would not fit.) I wear under my riding jacket and over a T-shirt. When I want to remove the jacket, it is usually a simple task to transfer the PX4SC to a pocket somewhere. (I favor "adventure" style pants with cargo pockets.)

The same straps do work as an IWB set up, but I am not comfortable IWB. Depending on your bike/riding style, that might work better for you.
That is a cool holster.

rskent
July 20, 2014, 05:50 AM
I will stick with OWB at 3:30 thank you. If you are on your bike I just donít see how you can get your gun out of a pocket or ankle holster.
For me, going without is simply not an option. Your chance of getting jacked at a stop light, or road raged is just as high on a bike as it is in a pickup.

aarondhgraham
July 20, 2014, 10:37 AM
I ride a V-twin cruiser,,,
So my riding stance is erect.

I bought one of these Tanker holsters,,,
from Pacific Canvas & Leather. (http://pacificcanvasandleather.com/holsters/pcl_56_r.htm)

It worked fine but only fit one of my pistols,,,
But the strap assembly held the gun against my torso.

I liked the fact that the gun was in front of my body,,,
And not under my armpit where I chafed me,,,
So I copied the strap for a new holster.

If you carry a 4" K-frame or a semi with a 1911 profile,,,
One of the two stock models will work for you.

Oklahoma now has open carry,,,
So if my jacket needs to be open for hot weather,,,
I'm still legal but in the non-open carry states it could be a problem.

Just throwing out an idea.

Aarond.

verdun59
July 20, 2014, 08:58 PM
Any gun I've had that was like a Harley was sold or traded right away. Who in their right mind would want a gun that leaked and had parts falling off, plus you would have to buy the complete Harley costume for the gun.

buck460XVR
July 21, 2014, 09:43 AM
Any gun I've had that was like a Harley was sold or traded right away. Who in their right mind would want a gun that leaked and had parts falling off, plus you would have to buy the complete Harley costume for the gun.


I smell rice burnin'.............:neener:

verdun59
July 21, 2014, 08:13 PM
No, try the oldest motorcycle company still in business TRIUMPH.
But Harleys are good looking.

Larry Ashcraft
July 21, 2014, 09:45 PM
Who in their right mind would want a gun that leaked and had parts falling off
They quit making shovelheads in 1984. Please try and pay attention. :)

Seriously, this is about CCW on a motorcycle. Let's stay on topic.

bainter1212
July 21, 2014, 10:09 PM
I ride a Gold Wing as well....

I havent explored CCW while riding but then again, I just got my permit in February. I have pondered the Tanker holster option, and also this one

http://www.hillpeoplegear.com/Products/tabid/762/ctl/ProductDetails/mid/1916/ProductID/72/Default.aspx

While expensive, it appears to have good access and also meets the requirement of maintaining concealment.

Zach S
July 24, 2014, 12:24 AM
Aarond, Bianchi makes a similar holster, not sure how much it costs or if it fits other pistols.

Verdun, are you refering to the Triumph that went out out of business in '83, or the company that started in '84?

shooting time
July 24, 2014, 10:09 AM
xxjumbojimboxx
it was a gift it is made by shaf international called event leather style # EL-5360 it has snaps on pockets so it dont fall out.it is simular to this one http://www.leatherboundonline.com/Buffalo_Nickel_Mens_Motorcycle_Vest_p/fmm611bsf.htm

HOWARD J
July 24, 2014, 11:03 AM
I rode a bike for many years--my leather jacket had many pockets with zippers to hold my old Colt Mustang.
I got more use out of the Mag Lite than the gun

buck460XVR
July 24, 2014, 11:06 AM
They quit making shovelheads in 1984. Please try and pay attention. :)

Seriously, this is about CCW on a motorcycle. Let's stay on topic.


Seems it almost impossible for a thread to exist anymore without someone trashin' someone else's choices. Funny how this got pulled off from the topic of CWC to become a Harley bashing thread.

We all make choices. Whether it be guns, bikes or the way we carry. I never could figure why some feel the need to belittle other choices to justify their own. Low self esteem maybe or could be insecurity about their own choices. I dunno. Truth be told, shoot what makes you happy, ride what makes you happy and carry the way the makes you feel the safest and most secure. If you respect other folk's choices, odds are they will respect yours.

Shifty
July 24, 2014, 03:42 PM
I ended up using a shoulder holster inside my jacket. Worked best for me.

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