Grinds My Firearm Gears


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Cactus Jack Arizona
July 22, 2014, 03:09 AM
When it comes to firearms, what grinds your gears?

For me, its idiots who don't take care of their firearms. :banghead:

I had a Bersa Thunder380 a while back. I really liked it for conceal carry. I only had one real issue with it and that was with the exceptionally long beaver tail. It was fine when I was walking around. However, when I sat down, especially in my car, the beaver tail would poke me in my lower ribs. Being tired of that issue, I decided to trade it in on something else that would work as a CCW. When it was traded it was impeccable, or at least it was for a Bersa. ;)

About a year later I found my old Bersa back at the pawnshop sitting in the used firearm case. I thought I recognized it so curiosity led me to have them check their records. Sure enough, it was my old Bersa. I was irritated at the horrible shape it was in. :cuss:

Needless to say, I bought it back. I'll take it to my smithy and have him repair the gouges, have him take some of the beaver tail off and give it a nice cerakote finish. :what: Afterwords, I may even try carrying it again.

Well, that's my story, what's yours? What really grinds your firearm gears?

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Dr.Rob
July 22, 2014, 05:32 AM
I have cleaned some firearms for people many times. Some are 'knowledgable', some not. When some 'expert' shows me a rusty piece stored in a foam lined case or leather holster I cringe.

I clean, I oil, I inform. What else can you do?

rhinoh
July 22, 2014, 07:45 AM
If it isn't yours I don't see why you'd care...much less get upset.

MachIVshooter
July 22, 2014, 08:21 AM
If it isn't yours I don't see why you'd care...much less get upset.

Agreed. Unless a gun or other item has some kind of collector value that is being ruined by a careless owner, I really don't give a rat's patootie how someone treats their personal property (although I do feel it speaks to their character)

bannockburn
July 22, 2014, 08:56 AM
Hate seeing rust and/or built up gunk on anything, especially when just some basic cleaning and preventive maintenance would take care of the problem. Having said that, while I may cringe a little bit inside when someone asks for help with their abused/neglected gun, it's not my gun so I really don't get all that bothered by it.

GBExpat
July 22, 2014, 08:56 AM
When it comes to firearms, what grinds your gears? People who refinish milsurp stocks with one of the oil-varnish products (e.g., Formby's or Minwax Tung Oil Finish, Danish Oil Finish, etc) and claim, some thru passing ignorance, that it is an "oil" finish, rather than what it really is; varnish.

I find that a bit annoying, especially when they are strangely resistant to accepting the fact that they are actually varnishing the stock ... even when you point out that the MFR label states that it is a varnish.

If that were the end of it, I wouldn't care as much ... but a lot of these rifles eventually end up being sold, many online, as sporting an oil-finish stock.

Orion8472
July 22, 2014, 09:24 AM
What grinds my gears is when someone posts a rifle on gunbroker, not having the best images, and failing to state that it has pitting and some rust.

What grinds my firearm gears is people using the phrase, "that's a nice little plinker there".

Other firearms gear grinders:

Huge markups on 22lr at gunshows.

"What?! Why don't you own a Glock?!! They're the best!!"

Higher ammo prices, and empty shelves where 22lr and 9mm should be.

Gun ranges with WAY too strict of rules [ie. "3 seconds between shots"], or "only two persons in the lane at a time".

buck460XVR
July 22, 2014, 10:00 AM
While I have a problem when folks abuse my firearms, I care less what they do to their own as long as they don't point 'em at me. I also have a problem when folks that don't know me at all, or know my priorities and needs, feel the need to tell how their firearm is a better choice for me.

herrwalther
July 22, 2014, 10:38 AM
Went to a range with a few other people once to go shooting. One of the firearms was a NHM-91 AK. Problem was it was light strike misfiring every third round or so. Brother and I took it to our house to troubleshoot. Turns out the owner used Vaseline to "clean it" instead of regular gun oil. Took us about an hour to dissolve all the vaseline off the firing pin. Makes me want to start an abused firearms rescue organization.

sauer1911
July 22, 2014, 11:57 AM
What gets my gears is when people with more opinions than facts chime in on a post that has really nothing to do with the original question.

They just have to shoot their wad with the limited knowledge they have.

be safe

wendellgj
July 22, 2014, 12:04 PM
Apathy or tunnel vision is a sore spot for me. It usually feeds in all directions for these fine individuals. Sometimes the attitude that the instrument was built to function in "extremes". HA!:banghead:

jell-dog
July 22, 2014, 12:10 PM
Newbie here about storing pistols/revolvers in foam lined soft rug, I finally got a gun safe and after cleaning/lightly oiling my firearms I put them in foam lined soft rugs with a silica gell pack.
Bad practice??

MachIVshooter
July 22, 2014, 01:03 PM
I finally got a gun safe and after cleaning/lightly oiling my firearms I put them in foam lined soft rugs with a silica gell pack.

The problem is that humidity absorbs into the fabric and then sits against the metal, oxidizing it, rather than evaporating. Even here in CO, a very dry climate, one good, heavy rain storm will produce humidity sufficient to cause corrosion to a firearm cased in such a manner. The little desiccant packs don't really help.

jell-dog
July 22, 2014, 01:10 PM
thanks for your input!
I will get the big "gun safe rechargable" packs and take my pistols/revolvers out of rugs, lay on carpeted shelves, untill I can get pistol pockets or pistol shelves to fit safe.

45tex
July 22, 2014, 01:30 PM
Open shelf storage is better than in a foam box.
I look at a gun as functional Art. I enjoy the lines and curves of even the most common gun. And the way the parts work together to do what they do. So yes sometimes I am bothered by the abuse of a gun that is not mine.

RustyShackelford
July 22, 2014, 01:43 PM
When people(sometimes strangers) come up to you & tell you what you should do with your gun or what they think are the gun laws.
They need to learn the law not what they think is the law. :mad:

splithoof
July 22, 2014, 02:19 PM
Hi Jell-dog;
For storage in your safe, consider wire pistol racks made to sit on shelves. That way your nice sidearms do not lay on carpet (they can't "breath", and may rust on the side laying down), and you will be able to fit many more into the safe. The air can better circulate around guns stored, and rust will be less likely. Midway sells some really good wire racks.

jell-dog
July 22, 2014, 02:41 PM
My LSG where I purchased safe also suggested the wire racks and gave be web sites to look them over, great ideas all!

What gets my gears is when newbies like me hijack a thread:fire:

Also, What gets my gears is guys at range who say "nice gun, but you shoulda got......", then I say, "well maybe, lets see how it shoots" (first time out with my S&W 686-5 + 4" barrel).
At 10 yards I hit X, 9,8 rings first 7 rounds with 1 flyer.
No more comments from "gun expert":neener:

splithoof
July 22, 2014, 03:01 PM
^^^It's all good my friend!;)
What grinds my gears are: Poor gun handling skills, unsafe behavior, leaving trash behind, and any kind of vandalism.
I NEVER comment (unless asked) about another's choice of firearm; If you can't say something nice, don't say anything. Choices in firearms are often very personal; I'm just happy that they are safely exercising their constitutional rights to begin with.
BTW, the 686 is a great gun. My 4" version is, like your's, a tack-driver. Enjoy it!

NoVA Shooter
July 22, 2014, 03:34 PM
People asking NIB prices for used guns.

Gun rights "supporters" who believe in "common sense" gun laws.

astra600
July 22, 2014, 04:47 PM
Didn't do any grinding, but when my F-I-L showed me his Colt collection, they were all rust. He hadn't looked after them for years. Just made me sad that what was beautiful was now junk.

GBExpat
July 22, 2014, 04:52 PM
Quite frankly, that hurts just reading it. :(

Kanzenbach1
July 22, 2014, 05:30 PM
When random people at the range approach me and ask to shoot whatever I bring for the day. After one comes to ask, and I let them, it's just a domino effect from there.

RustyShackelford
July 22, 2014, 05:39 PM
My grandfather passed on in 1979. He had a nice gun cabinet with 4/5 rifles & shotguns. My father :mad:, never checked the weapons or even cleaned-oiled them.
I asked my older sister about the guns about 8mo ago & her response trailed off. :rolleyes:
I don't live in the same area & my father's not going anywhere for awhile so those firearms will just sit & rust. :cuss:

rhinoh
July 22, 2014, 05:59 PM
People asking NIB prices for used guns.


I used to be puzzled by that until I saw people readily pay it! My son has sold guns several times for very close to NIB prices. The buyers apparently didn't want records or were just stupid or both.
He just sold an older Glock 26 that was pitted from sweaty daily carry for years...for near what a NEW gen4 costs!

RustyShackelford
July 22, 2014, 07:20 PM
When gun shops/pawn or gun show displays have firearms with nickel or after market coatings & are called: stainless steel. :rolleyes:

That's just insulting to the customer.

I'd add quickly that shops or booths with poorly trained staff or places where sales clerks have no real grasp of the shooting sports industry annoy me too.

barnbwt
July 22, 2014, 07:45 PM
Handguns:
"Answer in search of a question"
"What's your life worth"
"Better judged by 12 than..."
"Superior quality and design" (with no specifics to follow)
"If they could just make it a completely different firearm, then I might be interested in the design"
"If they could just make it perfect in every way, I might be interested"
"Why does it cost more than the cheapest available option?"
"Bad idea; there aren't replacement parts all over the place"
"When it has a track record longer than I will live to see, then I might be interested"
Browning/SIG clones passed off as original or innovative

Rifles (in addition to the above):
"Why does it not take AR/AK mags?" (anything that is not an AR/AK clone)
"Why doesn't it take all my AR/AK accessories?"
"Why does it cost more than an AK built from parts?"
"Why is it not an AR/AK?"
"Why isn't it mil spec?"
"Why aren't the controls exactly like my AR/AK (simultaneously)?"
AR/AK clones passed off as original/innovative (bonus points for 223/7.62-based chamberings claiming the same)

And feel free to substitute any fan-boy-ed model of weapon for those mentioned...
"Why doesn't my apple taste like an orange? And can I get it painted orange, too? Oranges are cheaper, so why not sell it for less?" Because it's not an orange; deal with it or move on :rolleyes:

TCB

Deltaboy
July 22, 2014, 10:47 PM
Retirees in my area who have grouped up to keep 95% of the 22 ammo bought up in my county then set up at the quarterly gun show and ask outrageous Prices.

Overpriced used guns

Folks who neglect quality firearms.

Cactus Jack Arizona
July 23, 2014, 12:47 AM
45tex said: "I look at a gun as functional Art. I enjoy the lines and curves of even the most common gun. And the way the parts work together to do what they do. So yes sometimes I am bothered by the abuse of a gun that is not mine."

Thank you 45. That is exactly my point. :D

Cactus Jack Arizona
July 23, 2014, 12:59 AM
Lots of good answers here. I also agree with those who talk about the extreme prices of ammo and firearms at gun shows.

Jlr2267
July 23, 2014, 01:11 AM
Price whiners.

Cactus Jack Arizona
July 23, 2014, 01:26 AM
Rusty, I know what you mean. The last gun show I attended there was a FEG DA/SA pistol sitting on this guy's table. He begins to tell me it's a Hi Power through and through. I said no, it only looks like the Hi Power. The insides are designed after one of the Smith & Wesson models, the model 59 I believe.

He looked at me with a "what the <removed> do you know about this pistol" look, followed by a "who the <removed> are you telling me about what I'm selling" look. It really bugs them when a guy off the street knows more about a firearm than they do. :evil:

rwehnau
July 23, 2014, 01:49 AM
Rabid gun owners of combat tupperware...."these are the best guns ever"

Resale of Bubba modified guns trying to get more than retail prices, because of all the crap modifications

Bobson
July 23, 2014, 02:09 AM
Short of recklessness and negligence, I don't care what people do with their guns. Want to pretend they're donuts and cover em in maple glaze, fine by me. Want to fill the barrel of your mint condition 1776 flintlock with concrete "so a burglar doesn't get his hands on a gun" and use it as an ornament above your fireplace, where it will inevitably be neglected and collect dust and soot, you go right ahead and do it.

This is America; you could make a full-time job of hearing about idiots and getting mad at the things they do. And heck, you'd probably have to hire some help so you get time off once in a while.

buck460XVR
July 23, 2014, 10:09 AM
This is America; you could make a full-time job of hearing about idiots and getting mad at the things they do. And heck, you'd probably have to hire some help so you get time off once in a while.

I have always wondered about folks that have nuttin' better to do than to concern themselves over some of the trivial things other folks do. I often wonder...... where did they take these observations before the internet?

WestKentucky
July 23, 2014, 11:06 AM
2 things really bother me with firearms. Abuse and carelessness. Some people such as a college buddy of mine look at guns as tools and only tools. On multiple occasions I saw him using his SKS as a crowbar, hammer, etc. I don't mind him destroying his own property but something just isn't right about taking a weapon and intentionally doing things to damage it. The other item is carelessness. I have heard plenty bullets zinging around the woods in deer season, have been peppered with shot several times in dove fields, and have seen a few NDs with handguns while they are being stored, holstered, and cleanded.

There is no excuse for either of these items because they can cause death or injury to the user or bystanders. Blowing up an sks barrel would be a good thing in some peoples eyes but blowing up a person never is.

Vodoun da Vinci
July 23, 2014, 05:34 PM
Grinds my gears? Folks who mishandle firearms in public....finger on trigger, pointing at other folks, etc. Not caring for a fine gun - no oil, improper storage, laying it carelessly away without wiping or any attempt at conserving it.

Folks who perpetrate the Caliber War in a way that denigrates someone else's abilities and personal choices.

Folks on Gun Boards whose only contribution to a discussion is "We already talked about it 50 times - use the search function" If they don't wanna talk about it, don't talk about it. Don't discourage folks from asking 'cause some of us like to discuss things (even again and again...) on discussion forums.

Grinds my gears.

VooDoo

tuna
July 23, 2014, 06:20 PM
Folks who hate on Taurus for no reason besides it isn't a Smith (like THAT is worth something)

Safety nazis

People asking what I paid for a gun, or giving a price for a similar gun seen, in front of my wife

RustyShackelford
July 23, 2014, 07:48 PM
It's a minor gripe but worth bringing up....
When armed citizens or officers are discussing guns & someone pulls out a firearm without any warning :eek:.
That usually starts like; "here let me show you" or "this is what I carry" :eek:
I never draw my sidearm unless I'm clearing it or I'm in a private office, out of public view.
I've worked with sworn LE officers & soldiers who do that too. :uhoh:
Like small children many people like to: see, touch & feel things. :rolleyes:

Guns aren't toys or props. That's a good way to get seriously hurt or killed.

A few years ago, a police officer in San Diego CA was killed in a ND incident. His older patrol partner wanted to teach him a new firearms related method. They went to a private area behind a group of warehouses. The older officer drew his duty pistol & fired a round off in the patrol car, striking the young cop in the upper torso. :eek: The officer died at the scene because of this mistake.

horsemen61
July 23, 2014, 08:39 PM
"KEEP YOUR BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH I had an older well respected gentleman yell this at me and a female friend I had just took to the range and she said "that's disgusting what does he think I pick my nose" She followed that up with it is that kind of attitude that makes new shooters not want to come shoot we didn't even have a gun in our hands :fire::fire::fire: I mean to a noon shooter that sounds horrible IMHO No 2 ignorance to the point of just not listening to common sense "5.56 is more powerful than 308 because the army adopted it and doesn't use the 308 as much":fire:

19-3Ben
July 24, 2014, 12:23 AM
People ruining collectible guns through poor storage.

I have a friend who is a really great guy. Nicest guy you could ever hope to meet. He makes me nuts though. He collects antique firearms. He has a ton of Civil War era through late 1800's rifles. Collectors are cool right? And old rifles are cool, right?

Problem is, he gets his wife to make him cotton gun socks. he sticks a rifle in the cotton sock and then has them stacked like cord wood in a nook in his closet. So they are all laying on top of each other, and all sitting wrapped in a cloth that absorbs and hangs onto moisture. He has pulled out several Krags, Winchester 1887, Martini Henry, etc.. that he bought in phenomenal condition and every one of them has little red freckles of active rust. It could probably be cleaned off with some motor oil and a toothbrush, but some of it would likely leave light pitting or at least finish wear. He loves to buy them, but doesn't keep them well, never mind the fact that not one of them is locked in an actual safe.
It KILLS me.

Zach S
July 24, 2014, 12:44 AM
I cant figure out why someone would pay $1000 for a good production 1911, but buy a cheap holster for it. Its like having maypops on a 'Vette.

I can't stand for a norinco to be carried so the Les Baer stays pretty. Its like driving an escort and making payments on a Lincoln that sits in the garage.

It really gets under my skin when folks give me a hard time about not cleaning my guns every time I shoot them. I think that's like changing the oil every time I drive.

I hate it when someone sees the my scuffed, scratched, lightly polished, maybe dinged and dented firearms that have finish worn through and/or flaking off and accuse me of abuse. They get a little banged up with use, I'm not gonna treat them like glass to keep them pretty. That's like being careful not to scratch the tractor.

Field Tester
July 24, 2014, 01:40 AM
It's a minor gripe but worth bringing up....
When armed citizens or officers are discussing guns & someone pulls out a firearm without any warning :eek:.
That usually starts like; "here let me show you" or "this is what I carry" :eek:
I never draw my sidearm unless I'm clearing it or I'm in a private office, out of public view.
I've worked with sworn LE officers & soldiers who do that too. :uhoh:
Like small children many people like to: see, touch & feel things. :rolleyes:

Guns aren't toys or props. That's a good way to get seriously hurt or killed.

A few years ago, a police officer in San Diego CA was killed in a ND incident. His older patrol partner wanted to teach him a new firearms related method. They went to a private area behind a group of warehouses. The older officer drew his duty pistol & fired a round off in the patrol car, striking the young cop in the upper torso. :eek: The officer died at the scene because of this mistake.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=34879

Rusty,

Do you have a link to this? The only Blue On Blue in San Diego that I'm aware if was of Bill Jordan shooting Officer John Rector, but that was in 1956 and it was Border Patrol. See above.

Baron66
July 24, 2014, 04:54 AM
I dont' like A-holes at the range.

Like when we're all at the rifle range waiting for it to go hot and I ask the guy next to me what kind of rifle he is shooting and he barks "308" and then turns his back to me. Or when somebody comes up to tell me that I am doing something the wrong way and is just an ass about it.

If it's a safely issue, then by all means holler away or tell the RO. For everything else, please try not to be a miserable person to be around. It's cute and all that you are a LEO or were in the military, but it's no reason to be a A-hole. You might know alot about guns, but it's no reason to be a A-hole.

Orion8472
July 24, 2014, 09:19 AM
Another thread reminded me of another "grind my firearm gears".

Not being able to conceal carry at a gun range or at a gunshow. If you're responsible enough to carry a loaded gun, you're probably not gonna cause trouble at either of these two places. :cuss:

Having said that, . . . I totally understand the insurance legalities, so it really only grinds them a little. :o

BSA1
July 24, 2014, 03:19 PM
Baron66,

Not wanting to tell a stranger what I am shooting is not rude. A stranger comes up to me and asks what I am shooting my reply is "9mm, .308, etc." and I am not showing or letting him handle my guns.

If the stranger approaches and makes small talk for a while I may tell him what I am shooting after I feel comfortable with him but he still isn't going to handle my guns.
I do agree that telling someone what they are doing wrong (non safety issue) is rude.

Shifty
July 24, 2014, 03:37 PM
Stainless barrel bushings on blued or parkerized 1911s. Don't know why. Just irritate me.

Arkansas Paul
July 24, 2014, 03:43 PM
Safety nazis

You wouldn't like me at all.

Ranger Roberts
July 24, 2014, 03:59 PM
I can't stand when someone sees one of my guns and says "I was going to get one of those but...

I couldn't justify the cost

such and such brand was better

ammo is too expensive

my buddy had one and it was a clunker

etc, etc, etc."

If you don't have anything nice to say, keep your trap shut (or at least wait for me to be out of ear shot!)!

WV_Gunner
July 24, 2014, 04:14 PM
What gets me are the AR and Glock people at stores and on the range. Yes they are good guns and yes not all of their owners are oblivious to the world but to the majority of that crowd it's scary what they think. Anything else is junk to them and their close range target shooting is equal to anything else. I've literally seen someone unload a Glock pistol about 2 yards from their target. I've seen AR guys, with scopes mind you, brag about their awesome shooting at 40 yards.
Plus the magnum crowd. Bigger is always better, whatever you have is too small. I have a friend who deer hunts with a .300 short mag. I hunt with a .243 and sometimes I feel it's overkill.

RetiredUSNChief
July 24, 2014, 04:16 PM
About a year later I found my old Bersa back at the pawnshop sitting in the used firearm case. I thought I recognized it so curiosity led me to have them check their records. Sure enough, it was my old Bersa. I was irritated at the horrible shape it was in. :cuss:

Needless to say, I bought it back. I'll take it to my smithy and have him repair the gouges, have him take some of the beaver tail off and give it a nice cerakote finish. :what: Afterwords, I may even try carrying it again.

Well, that's my story, what's yours? What really grinds your firearm gears?

People who sell there guns, then buy them back later because they're angry with how they were treated.

:neener:


Seriously, about the only aspect about guns themselves that get me are the people who seem to believe that any given gun is "The Magic Gun"ô

Such people are usually so unreasonably lobsided about their opinions that they can't seem to carry on a civil conversation on any given gun topic.

What I've found about many such people I've encountered and had a chance to go shooting with is that they often can't shoot as well as I can with my own "inferior" gun.

Makes me smile when that happens.

:D

Orion8472
July 24, 2014, 04:21 PM
How about "gun know it alls" that tell you that "You shouldn't have gotten that gun, it sucks! . . You should have gotten THIS gun instead" [their gun of choice]. The "brand myopic" folk.

RetiredUSNChief
July 24, 2014, 04:44 PM
Didn't do any grinding, but when my F-I-L showed me his Colt collection, they were all rust. He hadn't looked after them for years. Just made me sad that what was beautiful was now junk.

Meh...

A little time with a wire wheel on the grinder, some spackling compound, and paint...WALAH! A thing of beauty again!

Which brings me to another grind...people who interject silly comments in forum strings about firearms.

I don't care who you are, that there's funny.

:neener:


Seriously, I'm with you...I don't think I'd call this a grind, but it sure is a crying shame.

NOMI WASP
July 24, 2014, 05:54 PM
People who believe frangible ammo has reinvented the wheel for SD. My brother came over memorial day showing off the liberty defense 90 grain Hollow Point and I pulled out my 124 grain HST. After he did his homework, he quickly thanked me for showing him the error in his thinking. Then he bought 3 boxes of HST from PSA.

I had a LGS try that on me stating "itís the fastest 9mm made" :barf: My brother said a slick LGS sold him on it. LOL

I told him they need to get some real ammo like Ranger, HST, or Gold Dots. If these frangible rounds were so good, all the major ammo companies would have a similar round because we live in a copycat world.

One of my passions is ammo media tests and wish I owned some property so I could do some of my own.

WV_Gunner
July 24, 2014, 06:22 PM
The gun know it apps are quite annoying, I know a few. You can't get a word in any conversation relating to guns without it being wrong. And it's usually from someone who literally has almost no gun experience.

I do store some guns in cases, I don't see anything wrong with it. Honestly though the guns I store in cases aren't nothing fancy. I keep a Marlin 55 in a gun sock, won't fit in anything else. I keep my handguns in cases, and I keep my Draco in a foam case, it won't fit in the safe. I've never once had an issue with rust of any sort. I hear of it a lot on the Internet but I've yet too even hear of anyone in person say anything about it.

I honestly don't care how others take care of their guns, if anything everyone should be happy most take bad care of guns that way when you buy one used it'll be that much cheaper and a little cleaning makes it look good again. My dad has literally bought 2 H&R shot guns for $80 because they needed cleaned that bad. You could hardly see through the barrels, and they were 12s.

KingMedicine
July 24, 2014, 06:45 PM
I hate people who will argue price on a sale even tho they don't want in on the deal. Had one chew me out for an AR I had up for 800, he put up a link for a m&p sport for 629 and chimed in how it was a ripoff... It was two completely different rifles...

Cooldill
July 24, 2014, 06:49 PM
I don't like it when other people at the range do things like hold the gun sideways and do mag dumps just to look "cool".

Really distracting when I'm actually trying to concentrate and be accurate!

jell-dog
July 24, 2014, 08:23 PM
[quote]Cooldill I don't like it when other people at the range do things like hold the gun sideways and do mag dumps just to look "cool".

Really distracting when I'm actually trying to concentrate and be accurate![quote]

Being accurate with these distracting things going on is a GOOD thing:D

Complaining about powder-bullet-primer-brass prices then paying the price ANYWAY "grinds my firearm gears":banghead:

.22 LR hard to find/cost to much? Put the .22 away until the cost/availability are better and shoot what you load for :what:

as with all things, YMMV:rolleyes:

maxxhavoc
July 25, 2014, 06:48 AM
Mine is folks who don't follow range etiquette.

People who start picking up my brass without even asking first.

People who shoot other people's targets - especially the guy who shot my pistol spinner with a .300 Winmag. Then denied he shot it. He said my 9mm must have done it. .33" steel.

http://www.fasthavoc.net/linkedimage/guns/spinner.jpg

Arkansas Paul
July 25, 2014, 09:54 AM
Complaining about powder-bullet-primer-brass prices then paying the price ANYWAY "grinds my firearm gears"

Hey, I resemble that remark. :)

NOMI WASP
July 25, 2014, 11:35 AM
Mine is folks who don't follow range etiquette.

People who start picking up my brass without even asking first.

People who shoot other people's targets - especially the guy who shot my pistol spinner with a .300 Winmag. Then denied he shot it. He said my 9mm must have done it. .33" steel.


That picture of the spinning target is priceless :) LOL

RetiredUSNChief
July 25, 2014, 11:47 AM
People who wander onto other people's private property for target shooting on a range someone else has set up (which most of the property owners I know of don't really care about, since that's why they set up the range) and then steal or damage the range equipment (which the property owners DO care about).

Case in point is a guy at work who set up a decent steel backstop behind the dirt berm in a field on his parent's property. Someone came along and stole the entire steel set up and sold it for scrap. (Guy was caught when the police investigated local recycling centers.)

Come on, people...

buck460XVR
July 25, 2014, 12:46 PM
People who wander onto other people's private property for target shooting on a range someone else has set up (which most of the property owners I know of don't really care about, since that's why they set up the range).


I didn't set up my range on private property so other folks I don't know could "wander onto" and target shoot. The reason it's on private property is to keep folks I don't know or folks I don't want there off. The crime of trespassing is just as bad as vandalism and theft as far as I'm concerned.

RetiredUSNChief
July 25, 2014, 01:37 PM
^^^^

OK, let me rephrase that, since I obviously messed up what I intended. (Sorry about that.)

Most property owners I know don't really care about other people using their range so long as the people who wish to do so have the common decency to ask permission. Just like when I was growing up and wanted to hunt on someone else's property. Ask first.

Some property owners I know have set up a "shooting range" in areas so remote that it takes quite a bit to get there...and they fully realize other people are likely to also use it without bothering to ask. And these people don't really care simply because the range requires very little maintenance. It's only when theft or vandalism happens that they care.


Of course, some people DO care (like you and many others) about other people using their range.

;)

RustyShackelford
July 25, 2014, 06:17 PM
I agree with being considerate with other shooters property or not picking up spent cases without expressed permission. :mad:
I'd add that another annoying irk is when people take small children to gun ranges or gun shops then let them wander around or not supervise them. :mad:

I was looking at a new M&P pistol once & almost dropped it because a young kid was scampering around me.

The Lone Haranguer
July 25, 2014, 06:31 PM
It doesn't affect me directly, I suppose, but I don't like seeing this sort of thing.

http://www.legacyofhope.com/images/oct_2004_img5.jpg

Pure feel-good BS, there will be hundreds more for each one destroyed, and sometimes desirable, valuable or historic firearms are lost forever.

ChCx2744
July 26, 2014, 06:21 PM
When someone who knows absolutely nothing about guns, gun ownership or shooting says or asks me something about guns, then turns around and contradicts their own statements with replies, such as "But the guy at the gun store said" or "My cop/military friend said" and believes it as solid fact. I then reply "Well your friend is incorrect" to which I am responded to with "But they are firearms experts and know more about guns than you." For example, a (Now former) friend was in the market for a pistol and opted for a Smith and Wesson Bodyguard in .380, the one with the summabich of a saftey and the laser. I tried to persuade him away from it, possibly looking at Kahr PM or CMs, Keltecs, Rugers or subcompact Glocks. He insisted on the Bodyguard because the "gunstore guy is an expert and recommended it" and that he insisted being able to have a manual external safety. After about 3 days of owning it and shooting approximately 2 magazines out of it (Less than 20 rounds) he sold it for less than what he paid, bought a Glock 26 and refuses to admit his foolishness to me anymore. We've since had a few arguments where I made it quite clear that I would not be giving him any more advice if he insists on talking down to me and taking the advice of someone who is trying to sell merchandise, instead of providing constructive recommendations.

Also when these same people who are not very well-informed about guns try to argue the "stopping power" concept with me. It's even worse when they take their advice from someone else who they "think" is an expert and have never received any proper classroom or range instruction.

RustyShackelford
July 26, 2014, 10:06 PM
Some LE/military types get strong opinions based on their training or conditioning.
They have it ingrained into them that what weapons they use are the best & they are to trust this weapon/ammunition selection with their safety & welfare.
I would not always go by what a cop/security guard/service member says.
They can offer a valid opinion based on experience or what their agency used but there are many, many choices or selections in 2014.

RS

TMCCOY
July 27, 2014, 11:00 AM
Yesterday walking into the gunshow, the first table I came across had bricks of 22LR for $80 each. This grinds my firearm gears.

N.Schafer
July 27, 2014, 07:45 PM
"I support the 2nd and your right of self-defense BUT..."

maxxhavoc
July 31, 2014, 12:55 PM
Some LE/military types get strong opinions based on their training or conditioning.
They have it ingrained into them that what weapons they use are the best & they are to trust this weapon/ammunition selection with their safety & welfare.
I would not always go by what a cop/security guard/service member says.
They can offer a valid opinion based on experience or what their agency used but there are many, many choices or selections in 2014.


When folks say whatever they use is best "because it's what the cops use" I have to ask if they are still driving a Crown Victoria. Or a Taurus.

If they insist on emulating the military, they need to load FMJ in their 9mm for that "military style extra damage."

Pit4Brains
July 31, 2014, 09:57 PM
Muzzle breaks at the range. Nothing worse than having your back to a 300 Win Mag that is porting it's blast into your area.

george burns
August 1, 2014, 08:26 PM
I have run into 2 guys who took perfectly new expensive guns, one H&K 45, "looks like the P 30" and a custom S&W commander, and beat the hell out of them, scratching dropping and burying them in mud and sand, claiming that this was the true test of a carry gun.
It isn't supposed to be pretty, it's supposed to work under the most adverse conditions. I thought it was ludicrous to do this to a new gun. Maybe I am nut's but I take care of all my guns, if one gets scratched during use, I don't allow it to bother me, like it was my new, car, but it still hurts.
the difference is I know that it was made to take a certain amount of abuse over time, but not for no reason.
Both these guys felt that this was the only way to trust a gun, which again to me is stupid as you could easily damage it while playing games like that.
But each to their own.

TrickyDick
August 1, 2014, 10:35 PM
When the word "Tactical" is used to describe a firearm, parts, or accessories.

An AR is no more tactical than my Mosins. Your actions can be tactical, not objects.

Sheepdog1968
August 1, 2014, 10:46 PM
People who are unsafe at the range.

Pit4Brains
August 2, 2014, 12:40 AM
[QUOTE]When the word "Tactical" is used to describe a firearm, parts, or accessories./QUOTE]

Or the big word..Assault

You are correct though, it is an over-used word.

Zach S
August 2, 2014, 12:50 AM
Lol, I searched the Wilson Combat site for "tactical" once. I think there were three or four products it didnt find.

I dont think they're that bad anymore, but it is still overused.

Cooldill
August 2, 2014, 01:22 AM
I think what grinds my firearm gears the most are people being unsafe at the range, performing mag dumps and other silliness at the range, and being "firearm know-it-alls" anywhere including the range!

ojh
August 2, 2014, 01:57 AM
Religious wars about storing, cleaning and dry firing.

Any text that contains guages or muzzle breaks.

george burns
August 2, 2014, 12:41 PM
People who say they don't have a gun, because they might lose their temper and shoot someone. Or ones that do, but don't know if it's loaded or where, or what it is, but plan on using it if someone breaks in.

RustyShackelford
August 3, 2014, 04:58 AM
I see the point of #80, but I also think the US shooting sports/gun industry panders to that "niche" gun owner segment. :rolleyes:
This is the sector of the buying public or consumers that only buy "one gun" for self defense/home security. There never really shoot or train with it, they rarely or never clean it, :mad: , they may secure it in a safe or gun case but store it far away or in a impractical place for a critical incident, :uhoh: .
These consumers may have bought a firearm as a impulse or maybe got it as gift/inheritance & don't know what to do with it.

The Youtube gun channel personality; The Yankee Marshal made a video with this same point, that some gun makers cater to this segment.
In recent years, I've seen only a few shooting sports industry names really stress the importance of proper training & instruction. SIG Sauer posted a few web ads & Gander Mountain has a few in-store displays/signs reminding customers of safety/learning safe firearm use.

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