Clip draw on the new Glock 42


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horsemen61
August 31, 2014, 04:34 PM
Do y'all think it would work ok I have a friend dead set on getting one for his g42 me I'll just pocket carry that's all I need but he thinks this will be the ultimate ccw for him so I on the other hand have my doubts

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2wheels
August 31, 2014, 04:36 PM
Don't think clipdraws are a good idea, especially on guns like Glocks. Nothing is covering the trigger, and that's generally not a good thing...

OneSevenDeuce
August 31, 2014, 04:46 PM
A holster that doesn't cover the trigger is not for me. Too many variables happen in day to day life. No pocket carry without a pocket holster either.

rcmodel
August 31, 2014, 04:49 PM
+3

Not on a Glock for sure!!

It's a Must to have the trigger covered by a holster on a Glock or other gun with nothing but a trigger safety.

If I had to use a clip-draw with no holster, and would also use this with it.

https://www.clipdraw.com/store/index.php?rn=396&action=show_detail

rc

OneSevenDeuce
August 31, 2014, 04:51 PM
I'd go so far as to say that a holster that doesn't cover the trigger is a no go for ANY carry pistol. Even if it has a manual safety, you shouldn't depend entirely on that. Just protect the trigger. Nuff said.

WestKentucky
August 31, 2014, 05:03 PM
I'm chiming in with the masses. I despise trigger safeties and dislike striker fired guns in general, but if a g42 were my carry gun it would be in a leather holster which covers the entire gun from the grip to the muzzle. It would be form fitted so that the trigger finger would fall into the trigger guard as the gun came out of the holster. Lastly my holster would probably be cross draw abdomen carry, not IWB so that it's not pointed at your femoral artery should a ND happen

JohnnyBravo
August 31, 2014, 05:08 PM
I heard the phrase, "dead nuts reliable" was coined by former clip-draw users.

jhb
August 31, 2014, 08:43 PM
Okay on a glock that isn't chambered.

One can argue on that point for sure. One can't argue on a chambered glock without the trigger covered. That is a very bad idea. Leg shot or negligent discharge will happen eventually.

Hometeached1
August 31, 2014, 08:49 PM
As others have said, no way. Not for any handgun really.

realjsturgeon
September 1, 2014, 01:12 AM
Instead of a clip draw he could do a MIC holster. Minimum weight and bulk but still covers trigger.

realjsturgeon
September 1, 2014, 01:14 AM
http://glocktech.com/purchase/glock42.php

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rcmodel
September 1, 2014, 01:20 AM
Great idea!

I had not seen those before!

rc

WestKentucky
September 1, 2014, 01:22 AM
What is that trigger cover intended for? I might look at that as a Christmas gift idea for a friend who keeps a 26 stuffed between his carseats. Tie that joker off to the seat frame and it's instantly a safer and better carry setup for his improvised driving setup.

Doors
September 1, 2014, 01:35 AM
I have a Kel-Tec P32 and I clip holster it but I also use a Kydex trigger cover.

When I IWB I secure the parachute cord to a belt loop and when I draw the Kydex trigger cover just snaps out. It's a very good system.

Doors
September 1, 2014, 01:37 AM
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OneSevenDeuce
September 1, 2014, 09:19 AM
It's scary to see how some people carry.

Zerodefect
September 1, 2014, 10:37 AM
Get a Crossbreed holster for IWB. Pocket carry stinks, for me.

AK103K
September 1, 2014, 12:25 PM
For those so sure that a Glock will discharge, on its own, if a holster isnt used, how have you carried one that the trigger did in fact trip while doing so?

These days, I normally carry Glocks on a daily basis, and after hearing all the "reports" and "promises" that they will fire on their own, if not carried in a holster, I started carrying a second, "unloaded" 17, just stuffed in my pants, pockets, etc, around the house and yard, pretty much every minute I was home, and doing all manner of things, both physical and not, for about a year and a half, and still do so pretty regularly, even now. In all that time, I have yet to find the trigger "dropped", and no matter how "reasonably" or "unreasonably" I handled the gun. Even when picked up off the workbench or table, "by" the trigger, it has yet to trip.

Now, I do normally carry using holsters. Always have. I think its the prudent thing to do, especially if youre active. There are a lot of other reasons besides the trigger to do so.

That said, my brother has carried his 19 "loaded" using a Clip Draw since they first showed up, and had no issues doing so.

Im also familiar with some of the the problems people have had with Glocks, as well as other things, but in most of those cases (and as with most things), it was user error, and not the guns fault for the problem.

If youre so sure its an issue, I challenge anyone who claims so, to try it for a while, and see if you can make it happen.

If youre the least bit reasonable in your gun handling, I think youre going to find, its not as big a deal as some will tell you.


Great idea!

I had not seen those before!
These are becoming somewhat popular. I believe the Raven "Vanguard", was the first, and Ive seen a couple of others making them now as well. They can be had with the lanyard, or a "pull the dot" belt loop as well.

I tried the Vanguard when the first showed up, and while they seem to work, they are something you need to try, to see if they are for you. I found I didnt like them.

It's scary to see how some people carry.
It is. Its also scary people dont do their homework "themselves" and prove or disprove their choices are viable and safe, or not.

Get a Crossbreed holster for IWB. Pocket carry stinks, for me.
It does for me as well. To much other junk in my pockets for one, and the type pants I wear, dont make getting things out of them quickly, easy.

I normally carry my 17 in a IWB holster, and my 26, in either an ankle holster, or lately, a Smart Carry.

Ive come to find that the Smart Carry is one of the most versatile holsters I have, and I have them for a number of handguns of varying sizes.

With the Smart Carry, you dont need pockets. You dont need a belt or cover garment as well. In fact, you can wear a pair of shorts or sweat pants without a shirt at all.

OneSevenDeuce
September 1, 2014, 01:17 PM
I don't think anyone is saying that a Glock will fire on its own. However you must realize that the argument " I've never had a problem" is not sufficient to base a decision on. The concern is whether carrying any pistol with the trigger unprotected is reasonably safe. And it is a valid argument to claim no. He'll, even carrying in a holster is not entirely without risk.

AK103K
September 1, 2014, 01:30 PM
Nothing is without risk.

Im simply asking how many who say it is "overly risky", or more risky than anything else, have actually carried one in that manner, to know, one way or the other.

My personal, and actual experience has been, if youre reasonable in your gun handling, its not any more risky, than anything else.

OneSevenDeuce
September 1, 2014, 02:10 PM
It's inherently riskier because you are adding another variable into the mix. But I get what you are saying. For me, yes it is a needless risk considering the great options that are out there in terms of holsters. But even if you don't care about the safety aspect, I still think holsters are a good idea. They keep your weapon secure and sitting in one place. This alone has benefits for ease of draw and repeatability. What I consider overly risky is purposefully not taking a safety precaution that costs you little to nothing in terms of trouble, comfort, and expense. It's like wearing a seatbelt. Most of us won't get into car accidents everyday, but just in case it costs you nothing to put it on.

AK103K
September 1, 2014, 02:46 PM
It's inherently riskier because you are adding another variable into the mix.
And with any of them, not just Glocks.

But even if you don't care about the safety aspect, I still think holsters are a good idea.
Oh, I agree. A good (and with the emphasis on "good") holster is a good idea, "most" of the time.

I normally use one, but Im not opposed to not using one, if the need should arise. But Im basing that on actual use, and not internet conjecture or rumor.

What I consider overly risky is purposefully not taking a safety precaution that costs you little to nothing in terms of trouble, comfort, and expense.
The last one isnt normally "cheap", at least for the good stuff.

Some of the cheaper holsters are actually scarier to me, from a safety standpoint, than not using one at all.

I dont see the Clip Draw being an issue, if youre reasonable in your gun handling and its use. As long as youre paying attention, I think its as safe as anything else.

If youre not paying attention..... same as anything else.

OneSevenDeuce
September 1, 2014, 05:34 PM
I agree. It's not just GLOCKs. However I will say that always using a holster is a rule for me. Not because of what I expect to happen, but because of what I don't expect. In a fight, if someone knocks me over, we tussle on the ground, I want that trigger covered. Just one example, the list goes on. But I don't expect to change anyone's mind by rambling on the internet. We will all do what we are comfortable with.

rcmodel
September 1, 2014, 05:43 PM
have you carried one that the trigger did in fact trip while doing so?No.
But I haven't been struck by lightening either.

Then again, I would not carry a loaded Glock in my pants without the trigger covered on a bet.
Any more then I would stand under the tallest tree in the area during a lightening storm.


If nothing else, a pocket holster will keep a whole bunch of belly-button lint out of a guns innards.
And sweat from causing corrosion.

rc

OneSevenDeuce
September 1, 2014, 05:49 PM
Also, on the cost issue, if you are willing to spend several hundred dollars on a gun, then why go cheap on a holster? You can get a very good holster for 50-75 dollars. I usually spend about 100 for a crossbreed with the features I want, but you don't have to spend THAT much. It's like buying a nice car and then putting cheap oil in it. Why?

AK103K
September 1, 2014, 06:06 PM
Then again, I would not carry a loaded Glock in my pants without the trigger covered on a bet.
Basing that on what?

Any more then I would stand under the tallest tree in the area during a lightening storm.
Id choose the loaded Glock over that, and take the bet, any day.


Also, on the cost issue, if you are willing to spend several hundred dollars on a gun, then why go cheap on a holster?
No argument from me there, but just look at all the people who figure a $10 nylon holster with a spare mag pocket attached and a simple metal clip, is a good choice. ;)

rcmodel
September 1, 2014, 06:14 PM
Basing that on what?
Based on my Spydey sense after carrying every kind of handgun there is for 50 years in my pants sometimes.

Stuffing a loaded Glock in my pants makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up!

There are just too many unforeseen ways a gun without a safety or a long heavy trigger pull and be fired accidently.

BTW: Did you hear the one about Plaxico Burress?

rc

420Stainless
September 1, 2014, 06:19 PM
I like the idea of the clip draw except for the open trigger issue. Having said that, I was unaware of the pop-out trigger block and trigger holsters shown by others in this thread. Might not be such a bad idea with one of those.

AK103K
September 1, 2014, 06:25 PM
BTW: Did you hear the one about Plaxico Burress?
Who hasnt? Its the one case everyone runs out, when this comes up.

His mistake was grabbing for the falling gun. It could easily have easily happened with anything.

It would be interesting to see the stats on some of the others over the years before and since the Glocks came along. Ive seen enough people have issues with 1911's, and DA guns being reholstered before being decocked. Lots of things can happen with anything, if youre not paying attention.

As I said before, if youre "reasonable" in you handling, I dont believe its an issue.

But, by all means, if youre uncomfortable in doing so, dont do it.

AK103K
September 1, 2014, 06:31 PM
I like the idea of the clip draw except for the open trigger issue. Having said that, I was unaware of the pop-out trigger block and trigger holsters shown by others in this thread. Might not be such a bad idea with one of those.
Id go with something like the Vanguard, before I went with the trigger block. Less to go wrong there.

kokapelli
September 2, 2014, 06:52 PM
Why would anyone bother with gadgets like a trigger block or the trigger cover when it would be just as easy just to use a proven pocket holster?

AK103K
September 2, 2014, 07:08 PM
What if youre not carrying in a pocket?

kokapelli
September 2, 2014, 08:03 PM
What if youre not carrying in a pocket?
There is still a lot of reasons to holster carry like keeping sweat and lint off the pistol and perspiration that can cause rust.

AK103K
September 2, 2014, 08:47 PM
There is still a lot of reasons to holster carry like keeping sweat and lint off the pistol and perspiration that can cause rust.
No doubt, and Im not saying you should carry without a holster, especially if it makes you uncomfortable.

There are times though, that carrying a second or third gun, warrant a different method, and its nice to have options.

Unorthodox methods are also many times, the only way to pull off carrying a gun, and for many, those methods can give pause, especially if they havent tried them out to understand them.

Madcap_Magician
September 4, 2014, 11:01 AM
AK103K, I understand you're playing devil's advocate, but can you name a situation where carrying a Glock sans holster in your waistband is a good option? Because otherwise it's kind of a moot point. Even the cheapest holster beats just stuffing the gun in your pants, if for no other reason than it's more comfortable, less likely to damage your clothing, and less likely to expose the gun to sweat.

OneSevenDeuce
September 4, 2014, 01:51 PM
Yes, that is a good general rule. Even if carrying in a pocket without a holster isn't worse than carrying with a holster, it is never better.

AK103K
September 4, 2014, 07:28 PM
Madcap,

Its a moot point, to the point, you happen to need to do it. :)

Im not advocating it as a normal way to carry the gun either, as Ive said before, and I "normally" do carry using a holster, but there have been times when I did have another along, in a different capacity, and it was not in a holster.

My main point in bringing it up is, you need to prove to yourself, that what youre hearing on the internet, and other places, is in fact correct. You ALWAYS hear, and more often than not, from people who dont even own one, that Glocks should not be carried without a holster, yet how many who tell you that, actually know for a fact its true? Im simply saying, prove it to yourself, that the way you think you might carry it, is in fact, unsafe. The only way to really know, regardless what others might say, is to do it. And that goes for anything, not just Glocks.

Over the years, Ive personally seen more safety issues with things like 1911's and SIG's, than I have Glocks.
It doesnt matter what the gun is, if your lackadaisical or become complaisant in your handling, youre apt to have issues.

OneSevenDeuce
September 4, 2014, 09:04 PM
AK, the problem you aren't acknowledging id that your experience is anecdotal. Science has shown that anecdotal evidence isn't evidence at all. I'm not suggesting that you can measure a holster scientifically, all I'm saying is your experience is your experience. Nothing else. It in no way is a comprehensive assessment of how safe or unsafe the method of carry you are talking about is. Not everyone needs to get into a car accident to want to wear a steatbelt. You don't have to prove to yourself that you'll never get into an accident this year.

ljnowell
September 5, 2014, 12:59 AM
Nothing is without risk.



Im simply asking how many who say it is "overly risky", or more risky than anything else, have actually carried one in that manner, to know, one way or the other.



My personal, and actual experience has been, if youre reasonable in your gun handling, its not any more risky, than anything else.


This argument is invalid. I don't have to play with a rattlesnake to know it's dangerous either.

Common sense says having the trigger exposed on a gun with no manual safety while stuffed down your pants is a bad idea.

Madcap_Magician
September 5, 2014, 12:08 PM
AK, the problem you aren't acknowledging id that your experience is anecdotal. Science has shown that anecdotal evidence isn't evidence at all. I'm not suggesting that you can measure a holster scientifically, all I'm saying is your experience is your experience. Nothing else. It in no way is a comprehensive assessment of how safe or unsafe the method of carry you are talking about is. Not everyone needs to get into a car accident to want to wear a steatbelt. You don't have to prove to yourself that you'll never get into an accident this year.

Ordinarily I would be the first person to call someone out on believing that the plural of 'anecdote' was 'evidence,' but I actually think his only point is that it is possible to carry a Glock in condition one in your waistband without having a negligent/accidental discharge.

Which is true, but like he says, without some compelling necessity you wouldn't want to, since while it can be done, it is significantly less safe than in a holster.

OneSevenDeuce
September 5, 2014, 12:10 PM
That may have been a point, but I don't think it was his only point. He seemed to be stressing the point with GLOCKs specifically, which seemed to suggest that he was speaking against the idea that GLOCKs are somehow less safe when carried without a holster than weapons with a thumb safety. THAT point I actually agree with, because thumb safeties can, and have, been inadvertently actuated in a pocket.

OneSevenDeuce
September 5, 2014, 01:40 PM
It CAN happen…

http://concealednation.org/2014/09/concealed-carry-on-campus-shoots-itself-in-the-foot-literally/

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