[twoblink]

.308 for CQB?

Skunk complains that the M1A is too heavy and big for CQB, I don't know if that is true or not, as that's mostly personal preference..

But are there other rifles chambered in 308 that might be better for CQB?

[KMKeller]

Go over to Armalite and take a gander.Armalite (http://www.armalite.com/index-old.htm) Their ar-10 series are pretty decent if I'm not mistaken.

[LeadPumper]

If you really want a .308 for CQB, try this DSA Mini FAL on for size. Remmeber, all NFA rules apply.

http://dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=SA58OSW&storeid=1&image=sa58osw.gif


Or for us civies, a not so tactical carbine:

http://dsarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=SA58C&storeid=1&image=sa58carbine.gif


Best,

-LeadPumper

[Chipperman]

The G3KA4 is what I would pick, or the HK51 (U.S. homemade version).

http://www.remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g3/g3.htm

:evil:

[El Tejon]

I've always wanted to rework a Browing BAR MkII in .308. Someday.:)

[Nightcrawler]

Why not? Weight has little to do with it. I've done close quarters battle drills witha 15lb SAW. 9lb M1A? HA!

As for the overall length. It's a common misnomer, I think, that a longer barrel is some kind of lethal disadvantage in close quarters. To hear a lot of people talk, you NEED, absolutely NEED a 16" barrel on your AR-15 to do room clearing, but adding 4" more barrel on a full rifle makes it some kind of long unwieldly 2x4. They act like a 20" AR has the same overall length as a Kentucky Rifle (you know, put the stock on the ground and the barrel'd come up to your chin?).

In reality, a 20" is just as good for close quarters as...a 20" SHOTGUN. THey both have an overall length of 40".

Now, an M1A carbine has an overall length of...40".

A 16" FAL carbine has an overall length of 38.5"...the same as an 18" barreled pump shotgun.

Sure, a shorter barrel is handier going around corners and in narrow hallways. But it depends on the kind of building you're talking about here. In an indoor shopping mall or modern office building you could probably swing a 25" Barreled Enfield around without too much trouble. In my upstairs hallway, you couldn't keep an MP5 at the shoulder and turn around without the muzzle hitting something.

I've practiced, and have done, close quarters drills with my 21" FAL. It takes a bit more finess getting around corners, but it's entirely possible.

Still, a carbine would be handier, and I'm using that as an excuse to buy one. :D

[Oleg Volk]

Balance would have as much to do with suitability as length. I can't swing an M91 mosin very well but an M48 Mauser (a little shorter but not by much) can be pointed much faster. Same with AR15, I suspect that lighter barrel upper would work much better than an HBAR of the same length.

[SteyrAUG]

Sure.

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QwDiAvoSnGmuTcFhXhlWZVIwMlrzTQdVTPwdlgW3HLjy8AUpUQCPxAnoIxPSmgtVDBYHi2k*cpUxzQkV2EkcfaPV*1yp6aYj9WP*kLM49fI/hk510.JPG

[Chipperman]

Put a sear in that Bad Boy and we're talkin' my kind of language!

:cool:

[No4Mk1*]

How much rifling does that have?

[CWL]

Since your CQB will most likely be home defense, why not? Depending on where you live & the backstops, just choose your ammo. There are TAP rounds in .308.

If, for some reason, you are involved in house-to-house fighting in Taiwan, the standard rebar-reinforced concrete buildings there will eat .223 rounds.

[jacks308]

I see no reason why a 308 can not be used . Everything inside a closed area is gonna be loud , all of it is gonna penetrate and some of the shotguns used are as long as a rifle .

Hey run what ya brung

Jack

[twoblink]

There are a few places I found out that don't require licenses etc to shoot; mostly clay, and I think they limit it to a single barrel shotgun...

That being said, I am curious if they would allow me to own a single shot shotgun; that wouldn't be bad at all..

I have a browning BPS in 20 gauge.. A good dove gun... I hear people telling me that anything less then a 12 gauge is useless for homeD, and that anything that has a barrel longer then 18" is suicide trying to use it for homeD.

I'm just curious where they all get these ideas?? It's as if, a 22" 308 is on the side, and they will refuse to pick it up and use it for homeD if that is their only option..

I for one, wield my M1A quite well (it's all that training with it!! It's the training that counts!!) and so I see the weapon as only secondary to the training..

That being said, I WOULD rather wield a 6lb AR15 then a 11lb M1A, but for some reason, I just don't see if the situation actually arising, that I'll be in a 24 hour gun fight etc... I just don't see a BlackHawk Down situation in my house...

[Deadman]

' Why not? Weight has little to do with it. I've done close quarters battle drills witha 15lb SAW. 9lb M1A? HA! '

I'm with you Nightcrawler. Never did understand why people worry about the difference between a 7lb rifle and a 8lb rifle.
Carrying a loaded Minimi (M249) at about 22lb all day even with a pack on isn't that big a deal.

[Will Fennell]

twoblink,
Methinks people that tell you that a 20ga is not suitable for Home Defense haven't shot many 150-200lbs aninals with a 20ga. I have, and at HD ranges, it will work just fine. Heck, better than just fine it will be GREAT.

[twoblink]

The number of people that have questioned my manhood because I chose a 20 gauge over a 12 gauge never ceases to amaze me.

I did the math: 75% of the pellets, 50% of the recoil. 20 gauge came out to be a better buy..

And as Jeff Cooper says; if you don't think it's all that effective, why don't you stand in front of my muzzle?? Yeah, I thought so..

One of the things I'm wondering about though, is if shooting someone at say 10 yards with a 308; if I'll get any expansion at all... Or will it just punch through someone? At that point, do I buy frag-tipped bullets??