What gun do you own that you would not trust your life to?


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gearbox
April 12, 2004, 05:44 AM
For me it would be my Remington 870E. It used to be reliable, then I put on a new stock set and barrel and it started jamming upon attempted extraction. 'Til I work that out, it's just a last-resort defensive weapon and a skeet gun with its original barrel.

The gun I have set up to protect myself is a USP9C in a MiniVault, backed up by a GP100, which is a keyed case and a speedloader away.

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foghornl
April 12, 2004, 08:12 AM
None of them.

That being said, I would prefer something in a larger calibre than the Ruger Mk 2 or Single-Six, but if that was all that I had loaded and ready-at-hand at crunch time, well "Run whatcha brung".


p.s. if more than one BG, though, again I would rather have something else besides the Lyman Trade Rifle .50 Flintlock.

bpisler
April 12, 2004, 08:17 AM
I would trust my life with any that i own but my 2 22's would be last on
list because of caliber.

Zach S
April 12, 2004, 08:28 AM
AMT. 'Nuff said.

Well, I still kinda trust it, its my snake-gun.

spartacus2002
April 12, 2004, 09:16 AM
The AR-15. Sorry, I just don't trust them at all.

ny32182
April 12, 2004, 10:02 AM
None of them except for .22. My PT-92 is slightly ammo finnickey and runs 100% so far with the GA gold dots it likes, but stovepipes every few hundred rounds with WWB. This is right on the edge of "acceptable reliability" to me. It sees mostly range time and stays loaded at the residence, but I don't carry it.

Any AR/AK/quality handgun of mine that experiences a malf without a damn good, correctable reason is up for sale.

4v50 Gary
April 12, 2004, 10:25 AM
I've got a hybrid rebuilt S&W that is unreliable. A Colt Official Police with a broken bolt (cylinder stop). I've a Beretta .32 (Tomcat?) I've never fired.

AV1611
April 12, 2004, 10:30 AM
My 10/22's and my MKII pistol. Rimfires semi-autos are nowhere as reliable as center fire weapons.

AV1611 out...

Ala Dan
April 12, 2004, 10:31 AM
None - cuz I trust all of them.

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

Sisco
April 12, 2004, 10:42 AM
An H&R in 38S&W that belonged to my Granddad. I did take it out and shoot it, fired six rounds from about 15 feet and never hit the target. :scrutiny:

Valkman
April 12, 2004, 10:54 AM
All of my working guns are reliable - the cheapest ones are a .45 Firestar and a .380 Makarov and they're reliable as can be. Now the old busted American Bulldog revolver and the 1860's Sharps 4-barrel derringer (both my Dad gave me) I wouldn't trust. :)

Jeepman
April 12, 2004, 11:22 AM
Jennings 22 Semi, best thing to do with that thing is throw it at the BG and hope for a good hit in the head and knock him out.

RepublicanMan
April 12, 2004, 11:22 AM
Buntline Scout .22LR revolver because if you don't hit them in the eye all you're likely to do is piss them off with such a small round.

OEF_VET
April 12, 2004, 11:23 AM
A Lorcin .22 that I'd feel too guilty selling to someone else, so I keep it around. It makes a good paperweight though.

sensei
April 12, 2004, 11:24 AM
Kel-Tec P11.

Just never could get it to where I trusted it for my carry piece. Wanted it to carry when I couldn't carry my G-30. It would work great for 200 rds. Then it wouldn't work multiple times in the next 200 rds. Worked great next 200 rounds, no worky for next 200 rounds. I finally gave up.

sensei

LASur5r
April 12, 2004, 11:34 AM
Sorry, if I felt that they were not reliable I would sell them with the appropriate caveats.

I always ask how much is my life worth? Or better yet, how much are my family's lives worth? That answers my question so that I go out and test my guns for all their worth and shoot the heck out of them in all conditions. (Rain, cold,hot, snow,muddy conditions....I have only several that have passed the tests...including shooting and feeding any ammo that I put in them)...totally reliable...
If it's the magazine's fault, they get put in a box until I have at least 4 good ones.

I've had FTF in two incidents early in my adult life....that's enough.:cuss:

Swamprabbit
April 12, 2004, 11:41 AM
The ones that aren't loaded. I just make it a habbit to NOT keeps guns around that aren't reliable or as accurate as expected given their age and/or design.

45R
April 12, 2004, 11:48 AM
All of my Ruger .22s They have a tendoncy to jam.

On the Board of Trustess are the names of Sig Sauer, Kimber, Ruger GP100 and Springfield Armory.

goon
April 12, 2004, 12:04 PM
I trust all of mine.
I have had guns that didn't work as they should have before and I sold them off.
As far a caliber, I wouldn't choose a .22 because of the lack of power but both of my .22 rifles work flawlessly.

WhoKnowsWho
April 12, 2004, 12:08 PM
I have an old .22 Single Action Revolver that would be the last I grab due to loading/unloading speed and caliber, but it has never had a misfire, so if I had to...

cracked butt
April 12, 2004, 01:03 PM
Someone else mentioned it as well- My lyman flintlock. It will always go off on the first 2 shots, after that all bets are off. shoot-clean-reload- shoot-clean-reload-shoot. Too slow.

thefitzvh
April 12, 2004, 01:06 PM
There's probably a few I'd PREFER if TSHTF in my house, but I won't buy a gun unless I feel I could adequately defend myself with it.

I.E. I have a couple of mosins. Now, obviously they're loud, can damage my hearing, can overpenetrate, etc... but if I ABSOLUTELY have to use em, they'll do just fine.

I own a .22 caliber rifle, and I would trust that as well. I wouldn't PREFER to use it, but I maintain it well, and can put 13 rounds of .22LR into someone's head in just a few seconds.

now, i'd much rather have my XD-40 if I needed it, but any of my guns will do.


James

Black Majik
April 12, 2004, 01:24 PM
all of mine are trustable. *knock on wood* :)

I better not get a whole boatloads of FTF's FTE's after I jus' said that :scrutiny:

Gump
April 12, 2004, 01:38 PM
I don’t think I’d trust my staple gun for defensive purposes, unless my home was being invaded by some Tyvec.


Awkward trigger pull
Severely limited range
Small Caliber
:neener: :D

grimlock
April 12, 2004, 01:41 PM
The Smith & Wesson .38 that my great-grandfather bought in the Oklahoma Territory way back when.

No worries, the SigPro and the 870 work fine.

lee n. field
April 12, 2004, 02:08 PM
Taurus Model 66. After 10+ years of intermittant use the firing pin spring broke. Taurus replaced it in 2000. Last year it broke again. I got a replacement, and what I sincerly hope is a lifetime supply of spares, and installed it. Very shortly thereafter it broke again. :fire:

So, there's a non-trivial likelyhood that I'd get one shot, then the gun hangs because the firing pin won't retract. The Taurus is definatly in the "non-trusted" category now.

manwithoutahome
April 12, 2004, 05:32 PM
I have a few pistols that I just keep around and wouldn't feel "warm and fuzzy" using them.

Jennings .22 (mine hasn't jammed yet and I have about a brick through it, I AM trying to break it just to see what the hype was about).

Burgo .22 I just keep this because I can say at any gun conversation: Yes, Yes I do own a pot metal pistol :D.

Others for other reasons:

CZ-52: Because I only have around 100rds through it and the firing pin is "picky"

Lugar .30: Because I only have around 50rds through it.

AB-10: This gun was just bought to tick off the anti's when the awb was signed and they just changed a few things to make it "legal" again.

M.

Jake
April 12, 2004, 05:50 PM
Probably the 50AE Desert Eagle. It's the only gun I own that I have ever had jamming problems with.

GaryM
April 12, 2004, 06:35 PM
model 1888 german comission rifle. I have never fired it and would be afraid to. It is 112 years old and though I have a box of .318dia. 8mm for it I am scared to death when I look down that barrel.
Of course if under a serious zombie attack and it is all I had left...

Jeepman
April 12, 2004, 08:52 PM
Jennings .22 (mine hasn't jammed yet and I have about a brick through it, I AM trying to break it just to see what the hype was about).

I have a Jennings 22, got real cheap, well used. I could never get it to consistantly fire an entire mag without a jam or stovepipe. I sent it off to Bryco (they service Jennings) and they rebuilt the mags, replaced the extractor, springs, and whatever else they did to it. When I got it back I managed to fire two mags in a row without fail, and that was it, it still jams and stovepipes.:banghead:

Funny... had it at the range a couple of weeks ago, wanted to give it one more try before I trade it for $50 worth of ammo. A friend fired it a bit and fought with it, then I was firing it and the darn thing came apart in my hand!! It was as if I had pushed in the takedown button on the slide!!! Freekin thing just fell apart!!!.:what:

I about peed myself laughing. Its getting cleaned up and traded! Could only find one shop in my travels willing to take it in trade.

BTW Bryco has since folded. I tried to contact them and there was a recording stating that they had ceased operations.

Stevie-Ray
April 12, 2004, 09:11 PM
My Colt Pocket Auto .32 ACP, that was passed down to me from my father, passed down to him from his father. I fired it only enough to find out that I wouldn't trust it with my life. Of course if it was the only gun I had..........but luckily that's not the case.:D

Dionysusigma
April 12, 2004, 09:13 PM
My Winchester 1911 SL, a 12ga WW1 autoloading shotgun with a design so terrible that it kills more operaters than enemies. Next would be my Marlin 60, but that's only because of its caliber.

Firethorn
April 12, 2004, 09:51 PM
My Ruger 10/22. I'd use it last on my list. I just don't trust a .22 for self defense. Even though the ruger's a semi, I'd take my marlin .30-30 lever action before it.

cratz2
April 12, 2004, 10:57 PM
As most have said, I'd trust my life to any of my guns, last and least the three or four 22 handguns I own though I expect with 6 to 10 rounds of Stingers, they would kill a man quite dead if called upon to do so.

snug
April 12, 2004, 11:02 PM
I agree with Zach S; I just bought an AMT and just took it out for a test run,
well less than prefect. Overall good accuracy, heavy,heavy trigger pull
8 to 10lbs. and must be pulled in a strong fashion, no slow or stepping
or else no "BOOM" !!! The primer will be deeply dented as if a hard primer,
so it appears that the full hard momentum of the hammer is required for
discharge! The saving grace is that unlike other weapons is that you can
try, try again without removing the chambered round due to the double action of the trigger/hammer.
Normally I would'nt own something that I'd hang my life on that did'nt
work 150% of the time, but I was going for size, so I'll see what more
can be done to correct it, I've owed and disposed of others in 24 hrs
for failure to feed and other malfunctions.

riverdog
April 12, 2004, 11:03 PM
My guns either work or they are made to work. Those that don't make my trust list are sold.

Devonai
April 13, 2004, 01:01 AM
I have a Colt Official Police .38 that my dad gave me. If I was serious about using it for self-defense I would make myself put at least 200 more rounds through it. Recoil is manageable with 158gr +P SWCHPs, but the grip angle and double-action trigger pull are so alien to me that my accuracy is poor.

palehorse
April 13, 2004, 01:12 AM
Right now, it would have to be my father's father's snub nose 38. Rusted all to hell and given to me from the estate sale. Dad knows I am the only one in the family who has firearms and I am the only male direct blood in the line.

Part of me says leave it the way it is, to honor him...

Part of me says restore it to working order...

If anyone has an idea which would be more honorable...

This particular weapon has no significant tactical or defensive value among my 12 other firearms....

BluesBear
April 13, 2004, 01:16 AM
None of them.
All on are trustworthy.

Including my old bolt action Marlin .22, although for most things it would not be my first choice but with Aguila 60gr SSS ammo it is a great 25-50 yard, "doesn't sound like a rifle" rifle.

entropy
April 13, 2004, 02:57 AM
The :cuss: Iver Johnson .22 I bought so my son could learn to shoot a pistol. Right now it's my only cartridge handgun, but it won't stay that way long! The :banghead: thing shaves lead, and can't hit a milk jug 15 feet !:what: And, no it's not me.:neener: I shot my boss's Kimber Elite earlier today, and was 'banging the gong' at 75 yards.:D I want one.:)
I'll have to add my 1851 brass frame .44. It's been shot far too much in it's time, it's just a wall hanger now. (Actually a safe queen, till my kids are older.) And one more, an H&R 16 ga. with a hair trigger:what: ;it was my grandpa's pheasant gun, another safe queen.

Feanaro
April 13, 2004, 05:28 AM
If I can't trust my life to a weapon , I don't buy it. If I happen to buy one that I wouldn't trust my life with, I make it reliable or sell it.

Citadel99
April 13, 2004, 06:33 AM
Right now my Winchester 1903 that fires .22 Winchester. I don't own any ammo for it and a .22 doesn't make the best blunt force instrument!:D

Mark

foghornl
April 13, 2004, 09:57 AM
Palehorse:

To my way of thinking, since it was "Gramps" gun, restore it to working order, and fire once in a very great while to honor his memory. No new Hogue rubber grips, if you could even find them, no Tritium night sights, etc. Just restore to good working order.

Same thing I do with my "Gramps" very old .22Shorts only revo. I cleaned it up, and I shoot it about once a year. I got it with a box of ammo in the red & white box marked Remington Hi-Speed. Remmy hasn't sold ammo boxed that way since sometime in the 60's.

Gump
April 13, 2004, 10:10 AM
I agree with foghorn, Resore it and use it on a special occasion, like his birthday.
You want it to owork when you hand it down to your kids, right? ;)

Dr.Rob
April 13, 2004, 11:27 AM
I have a Luger that's fairly finicky about ammo. That would likely be a weapon of last resort.

BluesBear
April 13, 2004, 07:12 PM
Palehorse, I agree, I say, I agree with Foghornl and his way of thinking, his way of thinking I said.

Restore it. Preserve it. Shoot it on occasion. And then pass it on when it's time. It would be a good way to honor him. A small bit of immortality so to speak.
so to speak, I said.

Jeepman
April 13, 2004, 07:25 PM
Palehorse,
I third the motion, restore and preserve in his honor. He would be proud I'm sure.

9 m&m
April 13, 2004, 07:59 PM
Hmmmmm...............cap gun.:neener:

A. Partisan
April 13, 2004, 08:09 PM
I do not and will not own a gun I can't trust.

Ian
April 13, 2004, 08:20 PM
I have a Marlin Model 60 (.22 semi) that's a plinker only. It's old and worn and usually malfs once or twice per tube of ammo.

I would trust my replica 1860 Army revolvers, though. They're reliable and surprisingly accurate, despite shooting a bit high.

Stevie-Ray - I have a Colt 1903 in .32 ACP, and it's a fantastic pistol. Accurate (if you can get used to the small sights), very little muzzle flip, and it's never malfed on me. I would definitely trust my life to it (actually, I do carry it on occasion).

cheygriz
April 13, 2004, 08:23 PM
all of thgem chambered in .22 calibre, and the 1911.

Cyberdyne systems
April 13, 2004, 10:06 PM
Chinese Type-54-1 Tokarev converted to 9mm luger, sometimes it jams on ejection, I only use it as a "range gun" I would not trust it to use for defense, also my Bushmaster Shorty AK , I sold it because it wasnt reliable enough for me.

artherd
April 13, 2004, 10:59 PM
My Remington 7400 still needs some work on the aftermarket 10 round mags (feed lips are getting polished, and an area the bolt hangs up on is getting relived.) The 10 rounders work fine with soft point ammo, but FMJ is a little long and can sometimes hang up on the not-perfect end of the mag body.

Factory 4 rounders work 100% however, so I still trust it.

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