[Sven]

As posted in the for sale forums, I've been searching for a pre-1983 High Standard Victor .22 Pistol (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6886) here in California (as well as an M1 Carbine and M1 Garand and 870 shotty...)

...well, yesterday I located a 98%+ example of a High Standard Victor in Southern California in a dealer's warehouse. I contacted my FFL here in Northern California and he informed me of the following:

I suspect you are out of luck regarding the High Standard. Here's the deal: PRIVATE PARTIES can sell "unlisted" guns to each other in California (as long as they go through a dealer for these "private party transfers." BUT, if the dealer you contacted has this pistol in his inventory, then it is no longer a private party pistol. He can only sell it out-of-state.

OK: WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON HERE?

So close to my goal, and so far away, and WHY?

WHY does it matter that it is at a dealer, not in possession by a person? Why is this .22 pistol such a risk that I cannot own it in this state?

I'm so fed up with this state... my blood is boiling.

If I didn't own a company here in CA, I'd already be with Standing Wolf in greener pastures.

[Pilgrim]

I know of a dealer who was "stuck" with several SB-15 non-compliant pistols. He is transferring them to his private inventory, one gun a month, and after holding them one year will sell them in a private party transfer transaction. He told me BATF said this is acceptable under the PDRK's silly "safe" handgun law.

Bruce

[Greg L]

I'm assuming that once it is out of the state that it can't be private partied back into the state? If it can come back in you could have someone out of state buy it and then private sale it (through a FFL) back to you a little later.

Greg

[Sven]

Greg,

Nope. Unless guns are on the list of approved handguns, they cannot be imported from another state.

So, I have to find someone in state, not a dealer, willing to sell.

-s

[Hkmp5sd]

Sven,

A person moving TO (for god knows why) California can bring in firearms that are "unlisted" and once in California they can then sell that unlisted gun to private parties.

Do you or any of your friends happen to know anyone planning to move to California in the near future? :)

[10-Ring]

CA gun laws...argh! :fire:

[pogo2]

I have run into this problem myself. Just before this law passed I was building a small collection of older Colt Gold Cup models, mainly by buying them on internet auctions in other states and bringing them into CA through a local FFL. When this "handgun safety law" passed about 2 years ago, I found that these Colts were not on the list and hence "unsafe". So my collecting came to a halt.

I decided not to get agitated about this and now just go with the flow. I either find somebody with a used gun for sale through a private party transfer in CA, or buy a new gun on the approved list. You can still get all the guns you can afford, but don't have as wide a choice.

[Frohickey]

DOJ approved list of handguns
No standard capacity magazines
Private party transfer via dealers
No semi-auto firearms with 'certain' features like pistol grip and detachable magazine
10 day waiting period
30 day per handgun period
DOJ approved gun lock
No full auto unless you are politically connected
No CCW unless you are politically connected
No CCW reciprocity with other states

We are living in a Nanny state... maybe I should propose a California initiative changing the name of the state from California to Nanny. I bet I can get 1 million registered people to sign the petition to put it on the ballot.

[CGofMP]

We are living in a Nanny state... maybe I should propose a California initiative changing the name of the state from California to Nanny. I bet I can get 1 million registered people to sign the petition to put it on the ballot.


You misspelled Nazi.


Sven f you ever do take the biz out of the state and need a loyal worker let me know.

I detest this place too.


Charles

[Standing Wolf]

One of the many reasons I left the People's Republic of California last year to return to the United States was that I found an eight-inch Python at Gunbroker.com. I sent the F.F.L. holder a check, only to discover I couldn't so-called "import" my own firearm into the P.R.C. Now the P.R.C. has lost my tax revenues forever.

[Sven]

Maybe my parents could buy it, and then I could have it transferred into state through the estate/inheritance clause?

[Pendragon]

There is some speculation that it might be legal for a non CA resident to come to CA and sell a handgun to someone. This would meet the requirement for someone to physically be present fot a person to person, but the exact meaning of importing the gun is a bit unclear.

Of course, your parents could "move in" with you with the "intent" to become residents.

Fact: you CAN move here and bring an unlisted handgun.

to the best of my knowledge, there is no hard proof of residency required to sell a gun.

btw - if you did go that route, I would probably have them register the gun here when they arrive. That would probably show intent to move here. Then, when they find out how sucky the laws are, they could have a change of heart :)

This is all wild speculation and fantasy on my part - IANAL YMMV.

[kalibear45]

That sucks! :mad:

[pogo2]

Pendragon said: "to the best of my knowledge, there is no hard proof of residency required to sell a gun. (in California)"

I believe this is correct, based on my own experience. During 2001 I did a transaction in California to buy a used Sig P229 from a young man who had moved to CA from Texas. We agreed on a price and I met him at an FFL dealer's gunstore in CA to complete the transfer. The dealer filled out the DROS (dealer record of sale) form with all my identifying information and then asked the seller for proof of identification (but not residency in CA). The seller couldn't produce a Driver's License, and said he had left it at home. But he did pull out a Hungarian passport and presented that. The dealer called the CA DOJ to check, then accepted the Hungarian passport as ID and we completed the sale.

So evidently CA residency is not required. The seller said he had bought the gun in Texas and brought it with him when he moved to CA. I didn't ask him if he had "registered" it with DOJ when he moved to the state.

[Kahr carrier]

Life in the Prk-it sucks sometimes:( :banghead:

[JPM70535]

If what I read about the majority of births in PRK being Latino, you won't hane to worry about stupid gun laws. Kalifornia will simply cede itself back to Mexico, along with Arizona and New Mexico. All the decent citizens will leave the PRK and the problem will have solved itself.

[Sven]

Kalifornia will simply cede itself back to Mexico

Gun control ain't that great in Mexico:

Proposal to allow gun ownership snags in Congress (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=145078&highlight=mexico)

Gun ownership is a controversial issue in Mexico, where federal law strictly prohibits the possession of firearms - and even bullets - by private citizens.

California is worth fighting for.