Damascus Blades?


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TomADC
October 29, 2014, 12:43 PM
Does any one make a serrated damascus blade knife?
I did a quick search but didn't see one.
Found it thanks!

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hso
October 29, 2014, 02:32 PM
I'd question the quality of any serrated damascus knife that didn't come from one of the mainstream manufacturers.

Sam1911
October 29, 2014, 02:56 PM
Hmmm...serrated and damascas?

That goes together like a fine cigar and a tall glass of Kool-Aid.

TomADC
October 29, 2014, 03:01 PM
Not for me was trying to help a member from another board.
Ones I found were from Boker and were partially serrated.
Not sure why he wanted one.

j1
October 29, 2014, 03:34 PM
Why?

TomADC
October 29, 2014, 04:18 PM
From the other board, I don't make it a habit to question why somebody wants to do or buy something I try and help with the request and let them make there mind up.

I am no knife buff for sure. Like them, but have never learned much about them. I tried google, but didn't really see an answer.

Can you get a serrated Damascus bladed knife?

Bobson
October 29, 2014, 06:39 PM
What is it about damascus that makes serrations a problem (or potential problem)?

hso
October 29, 2014, 06:41 PM
The performance problem with serrated damascus is that the different materials usually have different wear properties and you can get uneven wear on the serrations.

It takes careful selection of the materials to avoid this.

Sam1911
October 29, 2014, 07:01 PM
What is it about damascus that makes serrations a problem (or potential problem)?

hso's explanation was very technical. Mine would be much more aesthetic.

The only reason to use "Damascus" steel these days is for the beauty of it. Many of the various super steels (and even quite regular steels) will perform every bit as well -- or considerably better -- than a blended Damascus style blade. That (and the cost of good Damascus), to me, means the use of Damascus steel is really appropriate in beautiful knives and showpieces which will see limited use and/or will be preserved with great care.

Serrated blades are the epitome of brute utility. They are useful for specific pedestrian tasks and belong (if anywhere) on hard-use and daily blades that are likely to cut certain kinds of tough materials and cordage -- probably without a lot of edge care.

So a Damascus blade with a serrated edge just feels like a big shiny trailer hitch on a Porsche. Or a Bulgari watch with a band made of paracord. Or a Holland and Holland double rifle with a red-dot optic mounted on it. Godiva chocolate on your S'mores. Hot dogs, baked beans and an appellation controlee pinot gris. A Punch Chateau M Gran Corona and grape Kool-Aid.

...


I could go on. :D

Bobson
October 29, 2014, 08:10 PM
The performance problem with serrated damascus is that the different materials usually have different wear properties and you can get uneven wear on the serrations.
That makes sense. I realized two different types of steel need to be used, but it didn't even occur to me that this means they would wear at different rates. :o

[1]The only reason to use "Damascus" steel these days is for the beauty of it.
[2]Serrated blades are the epitome of brute utility.
[3]So a Damascus blade with a serrated edge just feels like a big shiny trailer hitch on a Porsche.
This also makes a lot of sense. :D I agree on the first two counts, but hadn't thought about it in the context of the third point.

Thanks for both explanations.

a Holland and Holland double rifle with a red-dot optic mounted on itLOL hilarious mental image

TomADC
October 29, 2014, 10:07 PM
Good info I've passed it on the the OP from the other board.

sgt127
October 29, 2014, 10:23 PM
So a Damascus blade with a serrated edge just feels like a big shiny trailer hitch on a Porsche. Or a Bulgari watch with a band made of paracord. Or a Holland and Holland double rifle with a red-dot optic mounted on it. Godiva chocolate on your S'mores. Hot dogs, baked beans and an appellation controlee pinot gris. A Punch Chateau M Gran Corona and grape Kool-Aid.

Nicely done.

hso
October 29, 2014, 10:36 PM
I like Sam's explanation better than mine!

Madcap_Magician
October 30, 2014, 11:14 AM
Hso, do you think serrations would increase the risk of delaminating some of the damascus layers?

EDIT: To the OP, if for some reason you HAD to have a serrated damascus knife, you could go whole-hog and get a damascus san mai blade with patterned damascus layered over a monosteel core, which could be serrated.

TomADC
October 30, 2014, 12:57 PM
I don't own any damascus blade knives, I think the ones I could afford to buy say the Boker's just don't do it for me. I'll stick with todays steels.

hso
October 30, 2014, 05:01 PM
do you think serrations would increase the risk of delaminating some of the damascus layers

Not if they were properly forged, but "properly forged" is a mouthful. I would rather see a Damasteel blade serrated than any other because it is a powder metallurgy laminate that is manufactured under precise conditions and would be far less subject to the art of making damascus.

blarby
October 30, 2014, 05:24 PM
I'd still take a Patek Phillipe watch with paracord :D

Just sayin :D

That was a really good explanation though.

anothernewb
November 5, 2014, 02:55 PM
that's a great description. gave me an image of another. Beluga caviar on a wheat thin.

Madcap_Magician
November 5, 2014, 04:49 PM
Not if they were properly forged, but "properly forged" is a mouthful. I would rather see a Damasteel blade serrated than any other because it is a powder metallurgy laminate that is manufactured under precise conditions and would be far less subject to the art of making damascus.

That's a good point. One issue I take with damascus in general is that it's difficult to tell what the quality of it is. You basically have to judge it against the person or company who makes it. Sometimes you don't even know what steels went into it.

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