[Shooter 2.5]

http://www.drudgereport.com/stp.gif

[Shooter 2.5]

Calling for the execution of one of our leaders isn't cool. Someone should be held accountable for this.

[Thumper]

"We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say 'This is one of our bad days' and pull the trigger."

You know, I have an aggressive streak. Over the years, I've come to recognize this as a hindrance and I do my best to suppress it.

Folks like this tend to make me want to rethink that.

[Spot77]

Typical drivel from un undereducated hippie.

Some people get mad at me when I say this, but I'm glad we're fighting these battles now with troops that VOLUNTEERED for military service, so that my son won't be forced into a draft in 15 years to fight the same battles.

Do I want us in Iraq? Heck no. But there's a job to finish and we need to finish it. John Kerry will pull out, leaving Iraq in shambles and totally undermine the security of our country. If not directly in Iraq, then with the world's perception of our commitment to fight terrorism.

Am I a big George Bush fan? Yes and no. I suppose he's the lesser of two evils at this point

[flatrock]

This guy is just another example to convince me that stupid people vote democrat (note: I'm not saying everyone who votes democrat is stupid. If you can't figure out the difference, you probably vote democrat.)

He's calling the Iraqi insurgents patriots, and comparing them to the american patriots who fought to free us from British rule.

The american patriots fought for individual rights and freedoms. They fought to be free of a repressive government.

The Iraqi's aren't fighting for the right to be free. We aren't oppressors in Iraq. We liberated the people there from a repressive government. There are three main groups of people we are fighting in Iraq.

We're fighting the remenants of Sadam's repressive government that would like to regain control and oppress the people again.

We're fighting Suni radicals who are being funded by Iran. Take a look at the oppressive Theocracy in Iran. They want to extend their power into Iraq as well. They have a vested interest in keeping democracy and government that respects civil rights out of the region. A successful democracy next door would seriously undermine their power over their populace.

The third group are foreigners who want to strike at Americans and American interests. They are interested in their own goals, not the good of the Iraqi people.

The Iraqi's have a Constitution now that respects individual rights. They have Judges that are being trained in how to uphold that constitution. The closer the day where the job of governing Iraq is handed over to their new governemt that has built in protections for individuals, the more attacks we see from those who oppose giving the people of Iraq freedoms and rights.

These insurgents aren't patriots fighting for the populace. They are insurgents fighting to put a few people in power over the populace. This idiot should spend a little more time researching both history and current events before slandering the American patriots that fought to make our country a place where people have a rights that the government is not to infringe upon.

[fix]

http://democrat.meetup.com/members/?fulltop=1&localeId=562

Enough to make a conspiracy charge stick?

[Gordon Fink]

I would normally suggest that this piece of trash was a hoax or someone’s poor idea of a joke, but both Democrats and Republicans seem quite capable of spewing some of the most vile, hateful stupidity imaginable. Take this gem from our own Greg Bell for example:
FUDGE Andy Rooney. That POS should be dragged through feces, drowned in urine, set on fire and fed to rabid howler monkees—and buried in a potter’s field!!

These people should be ashamed of themselves.

~G. Fink

[ThreadKiller]

Oh no! We can't make them mad!!! Vote for the Dems. We have to appease them. They're only angry and hateful because we made them that way.

It's our fault.

Tim

Big Brother is our friend.

[HankB]

Just imagine if the "Republican Club" of ANY city had put out an ad calling for a member of the Clinton administration to be stood up against a wall and shot? Especially if it was combined with a fund-raising appeal for the Bob Dole campaign?

All Hades would have broken loose in the dominant media, Peter Jennings, Tom Brokaw, and Dan Rather would have led with it, and the rest of the media would give it more coverange than we're hearing about the Kobe Bryant, Scott Peterson, and Michael Jackson stories combined.

[one45auto]

Thumper,

If you think that's bad, you should read some of the remarks posted on democraticunderground.com. Talk about vitrol, not so long ago they were suggesting that their fellow Democrats do everything in their power to make their Republican co-worker or neighbors' lives miserable, from using any excuse to have them fired to making false accusations of infidelity in order to disrupt their marriages and force them to spend their life savings on a divorce. (The latter suggestion was directed towards prominent Republican party contributors in their respective areas, the operative theory being that money wasted on attorneys will not be sent to the local Republican party.) This is nothing new, after all. Remember Alec Baldwin suggesting that Henry Hyde be stoned to death? Or Spike Lee hoping that Charlton Heston would be shot with a .44 Bulldog? Or Rosie O'Donnell remarking that all gun owners should be in jail?

I hate to say it, but the left/liberals reaction to the Bush administration has convinced me once and for all that the differences between the two ends of the political spectrum have now become so great that they're utterly irreconcilable. The left's contempt of not only our values but also our way of life has reached the point where they've adopted an "all or nothing" attitude towards politics. There is no compromising with such individuals, nor can reason have any effect with those who are ruled by emotion rather than logic. Like the Islamic fanatics, they're totally convinced of the righteousness of their cause and consequently whatever means they use to achieve victory is, in their eyes anyway, not only moral but absolutely justifiable.

Sickening. :barf:

[J. Garand]

one45auto-
I totally agree. You have made the best point i have read today. This is better then reading the paper or watching TV. I love THR.

[cordex]

Democratic Club needs to learn how to use a spellchecker.

Just because I disagree with extremist Democrats doesn't mean I want to vote Republican.

[flatrock]

Just because I disagree with extremist Democrats doesn't mean I want to vote Republican.

I'm actually pretty disgusted with the Republican Senators from Ohio where I live. I want as far as looking into the Ohio Democratic Party.

The Ohio Republican Party seems to be made up of a bunch of tax and spend liberals with no respect for personal freedoms.

The democrats appear to simply be insane. The information I read from their candidates was works of pure fiction. Why would I vote for someone who apparently bases their positions on outright lies? Then again, the Republicans here seem to do the same thing, though possibly to a lesser degree.

I'm forced to vote for the lesser of two evils, which isn't a very good choice. However, there isn't a credible third choice.

[dischord]

Democratic Party = :barf:

However, my gut tells me that an anti-Dem placed this ad.

[DonP]

The Democratic "club" proudly took credit for it on the news earulier today.

It's their ad and not a Free Republic or other conservative plant, sorry but they have no one to blame but themselves. They also were kind enough to include the "We are in complete touch with the Kerry campaign" comment too. (I can't wait to see how fast they scurry into the shadows ont his one.)

Now the Democratic Club is backing away from it as fast as they can, blaming every one else for "misinterpreting" their ad, thinking they actually meant to shoot a Federal official because that;'s what they said.

How stupid of everyone not to understand their symbolism.

[fix]

...and the issue is pretty much dead. The media isn't playing this game. Joe Sixpack shall remain clueless.

[Stoney]

flatrock
Ditto on the Ohio Republican Senators. I will never vote for them again. I would never vote Democrat however.

[Soap]

We all know that Clinton never attacked Iraq either. :rolleyes: I love how the Dems point fingers all time but forget their own history (for further reference, see how the Dems voted on Civil Rights in the '60s).

[Fastlane]

Stoney. flatrock

I agree with you both about the RINO'S in Ohio. But who do we vote for?

[pax]

Fastlane,

As long as you keep voting for evil, evil is what you will always get.

It isn't like a horse race, where you want to put your money on the winner. It is a vote, for the persons you want to be in office.

Think about it.

pax

[ThreadKiller]

I guess we can talk all we like about the nobility of voting our conscience rather than voting for a viable "winning" candidate. But the truth is, until the 3rd parties develop a local "grass roots" presence, they will never field a viable "winning" presidential candidate.

The Libertarian, Constitution parties and others can't simply appear every 4 years like locusts and expect to win the White House.

George W has to win in November. The alternative is too awful to contemplate.

Tim

[Drjones]

I think those leftists just committed a Federal Offense.

They should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Could you please post a link to where you got that from, and could someone else post the link you use to report stuff to the FBI?

[Michigander]

Never again!

[longrifleman]

As offensive as it is this is not much different than a lot of stuff I've seen about Clinton from conservatives.

(be honest-most of us have thought similar things about the antis)


WE JUST WEREN'T DUMB ENOUGH TO PUT IT IN WRITING

[AnklePocket]

NJ Republicans = Sellouts and Backstabbers
NJ Democrats = It Gets A Lot Worse

I'm voting Sellouts and Backstabbers.

Bush is good to go, though. Thank God he's our President. Not sure what his problem is with gays or Howard Stern, but you can't have everything, I guess.

[cordex]

I guess we can talk all we like about the nobility of voting our conscience rather than voting for a viable "winning" candidate.
'Course, the flip side is that we can talk all we like about the self-sacrifice and pragmaticism of voting for bad Republicans, but as long as we keep voting for the same folks we'll keep getting the same thing.

Libertarians and other such groups do need to get more active on local levels, but that doesn't change the fact that voting for the people who kick you in the gut doesn't help stop you from getting kicked in the gut.

Libertarians need to work on their grassroots support, but Republicans need to learn how to change their party for the better ... if that's even possible. (Feel free to substitute "Democrat" if you prefer)

[Denver]

'Can't remember where I read it, (Maybe on Citizens of America site when it was around...), but I had to agree with the thought that voting ones' conscience is the right way to go no matter what the outcome:

If the ideals I vote for get into office, Thank God!

If the ideals I vote for do not get into office, the "inevitable" will arrive all the sooner and maybe the shock will wake some more freedom-loving people from their somnolesence.

I vote Libertarian.

And just to keep this gun-related, Libertarians believe that no one has the right to INITIATE violence against another, but once the first shot has been fired.... Yeeeeehaaaa!!!

Bring It!

[one45auto]

As offensive as it is this is not much different than a lot of stuff I've seen about Clinton from conservatives.

Despite the fact that many of my fellow Republicans disliked Clinton I never heard one them make the suggestion I read in that article, nor was the notion of trying to get Democratic co-workers fired ever brought up. Instead I heard rallying cries to encourage greater Republican voter turnout, increased contributions to campaigns, and letter writing to candidates. Sure, there is dislike on both sides, no denying that. The difference, however, is in the degree and quite frankly the most vehement hatred I've seen expressed has come from the left.

[pax]

One45Auto ~

From http://www.theclairefiles.com/Personal/happyamer.html : Oh Such a Happy America


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The stranger in the lawn chair kicked back his feet, nodded at my "Impeach Clinton" bumper sticker and drawled, "I'm hopin' for an assassination, myself."

I tossed off my standard reply:

(No-we-don't-want-that-don't-make-him-a-martyr-violence-only-makes-things-worse) and proceeded to check into the little motel beside the brook, way up in the peaceful green mountains.

It only dawned on me later, with some shock, that I have a standard reply to strangers who publicly wish the president dead. I've used it on store clerks and dog-walkers and road-beaten travelers at the counters of forgettable truck stops. I've used it perhaps a dozen times, as complete strangers have responded to my political tee-shirts or bumper stickers with out-of-the-blue death wishes. Usually, their disaffection is directed at Clinton. Sometimes it's merely directed at "them" -- those vague, unidentified, but bitterly hated government masters.

"I hope somebody kills him." "I got my hangin' rope ready." "Why hasn't it started yet? I'm not puttin' up with this much longer."

When, I wonder, did strangers start saying things like this to each other?
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You could read the rest of the column, an oldie-but-goodie from Claire Wolfe. Point is, yes Republicans did (often!) do much the same thing when the hated Clinton was in office ... they just didn't usually put it in writing.

pax

It's important to remember that just because there are crooks, zealots and morons supporting a position, it does not automatically follow that the position is wrong. --- Jan D. Wolter

[one45auto]

A few points about the article.

1) In the excerpt you posted (if you read it carefully) Claire doesn't make such a remark herself, she merely quotes those who have and since she doesn't mention their political leanings we can only guess as to their party affiliation.

2) Ms. Wolfe herself is not a Republican per se, in fact if I remember correctly she often describes herself as a Libertarian in her writings and is an admirer of Ayn Rand.

Now I'm not disputing the fact that there probably were/are some Republicans who made similar ill-wishes about the Clintons during their (note that I do not say his) term in office, however as I said before I personally did not know or read of any. Be that as it may, however, if such sentiment was expressed it was directed solely towards the Clintons. At no time did I ever hear Republicans suggesting ways to disrupt or ruin the lives of their Democratic co-workers or neighbors purely out of resentment towards their political affiliation. Also, if you peruse that message board periodically (democraticunderground.com), you will see that the far left not only holds conservatives in such high contempt, but also our nation and core values - the Second Amendment among them. In fact some have even wished this country to fall, if you can believe that. I certainly don't recall hearing that sentiment expressed in any conservative forum that I browsed, and I looked at a good many.

But to return to my earlier argument if, as you say, Republicans are simply more discreet about making such comments then it only serves to prove my point because it demonstrates the dramatic difference in the level of disdain between two sides. Only someone ruled by emotion and completely overcome with a passionate hatred would speak so carelessly. Those governed by reason, or possessing more even tempers, tend to think before they speak and thus choose their words with more care and discretion.

[ThreadKiller]

While I can understand the "vote your conscience" sentiment, that stand would be of small consolation should I wake up November 3 only to hear the words "President-Elect Kerry."

Tim

[longrifleman]

The level of political discourse has been dropping for as long as I have been paying attention. At this point I do think the left has a larger % of their partisans at the level of spoiled 8 year olds. Some days 5 year olds. Ocassionally a grown-up Democrat will get a word in. There are a few who post here that are interested in a real debate. To bad their party won't listen to them and shut the brats up.

Part of the problem is the media will only allow sound bite debates and that is geared to the: you're a poopy head - no you're a poopy head type of debate we hear way too much of.

The Democraticunderground tactics thing is beneath contempt. Sadly that kind of thing has been going on in elections since probably the second one ever held. That's one of the reasons the framers of the Constitution wanted a Republic instead.

"Mr. Franklin: A republic Madam, if you can keep it."

[jfh]

we can probably remember how poorly Fritz Mondale fit in to Paul Wellstone's candidacy after that plane crash eighteen months ago.

I don't agree with his politics, but Fritz Mondale is a decent man--and god help him, he gave some class to a campaign being dominated here by the DUs, in a party dominated by over-fifty female educators trained at the State Colleges.

[Greg Bell]

~G. Fink,


"I would normally suggest that this piece of trash was a hoax or someone’s poor idea of a joke, but both Democrats and Republicans seem quite capable of spewing some of the most vile, hateful stupidity imaginable. Take this gem from our own Greg Bell for example:

quote:
FUDGE Andy Rooney. That POS should be dragged through feces, drowned in urine, set on fire and fed to rabid howler monkees—and buried in a potter’s field!!


These people should be ashamed of themselves."


Mr. Fink,

I have plenty to be ashamed of. But let me be clear, I WAS KIDDING. KEEDING (insert Triumph voice) Just Playin', Ha ha. Not serious, hee, hee, Yuk, yuk, over-the-top. Funny ha-ha.

Rooney is a fool, but even he would have realized I was joking. Seriously, I mean, I would never abuse those howler monkees--I love animals. :D

GHB

[Gordon Fink]

You would do well to make your “joke” more obvious next time.

~G. Fink

[Jeff Timm]

On a scale of political desireability, from Zero to one hundred, George Bush the Current scores a 1. John Kerry scores a Zero.

This means George Bush isn't much, but he is infinitly better than Kerry.

Geoff
Who, once in his life, would like to vote FOR someone, rather than selecting the lesser of two evils. :mad:

[Unobtainium]

To those wondering about their options to the Voinivich/Dewine wrecking crew, remember the name John Mitchel. He ran against the Vich in the primary 3/2/04. His campaign spent a total of $300 dollars and John got 190,000 votes! An amazing accomplishment. He is planning on running against De-Whine in '06. Check out www.johnmitchel.com, bookmark it, and remember it for '06. John Mitchel is _NOT_ a RINO!

[Greg Bell]

Finky,

"You would do well to make your “joke” more obvious next time."

Your right. I guess there are always those people out their who need a little extra help understanding things. :neener:

[Gordon Fink]

Yes, especially in a medium that doesn’t allow for body language to convey the true intent of an otherwise unqualified comment.

We gun owners would all do well to remember that fact, if we ever hope to win the moral high ground in public debate. As it is, we leave far too much “dirt” posted on message boards for all the world (and our political opponents) to see.

~G. Fink

[fallingblock]

"This means George Bush isn't much, but he is infinitly better than Kerry."
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and

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"We gun owners would all do well to remember that fact, if we ever hope to win the moral high ground in public debate. As it is, we leave far too much “dirt” posted on message boards for all the world (and our political opponents) to see."
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[Marko Kloos]

There's something else clearly obvious from this thread. Republicans can afford to be statists as long as they are just a little less anti-freedom than the Democrats. Most conservatives will still grudgingly vote for them, because "where the hell else are they going to go?"

And people are surprised that their freedoms are eroding at an ever-quickening pace?

If Bush wants my vote, he needs to earn it by taking a position that is a little closer to my beliefs. Socialism Lite combined with neo-tribalism just doesn't cut it. If Kerry wins because Bush doesn't get my itty-bitty vote, Kerry's victory will be Bush's fault for not winning that vote, not my fault for "wasting my vote". It will most definitely *not* be a case of "cutting off your nose to spite your face". That's what many conservatives are doing by holding their noses and picking the smaller pile of dung over the larger one. If you keep giving them your vote just because "the other guy would be worse", then the Republicans have *zero* incentive for internal reform.

[Denver]

ThreadKiller,

That IS what I was talking about. If Kerry somehow gets elected... (I've heard it said that America deserves what it elects.)... the "end" is just that much closer. The libs would continue to be what they are and the country would slide so much faster into a bad place and people would be much more likely to refresh to roots of the tree of freedom with the blood of patriots and tyrants. (At the risk of sounding like the "children" that wrote the piece that is the focus of this thread.)

It is the SLOW slide into hell that the Republicans have blessed us with that I see as the worse evil.

America has been cooked alive like a frog: Toss a live frog into boiling water and he will immediately do his best to jump out. Put a live frog into a cool pan of water and SLOWLY turn up the heat and the frog becomes comfortable and by the time the water is hot enough to kill him, he's too dead to notice.

I'd rather have them crank the heat up than to continue to be boiled slowly. Maybe some of us Americans would then do our best to leap from the pan, perhaps into the fire, but at least we'd be making a move!

[Greg Bell]

You guys need to relax. Loosen that tinfoil!:evil: