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armoredman
November 22, 2014, 01:20 PM
Seriously. Had a dream right before I woke up that ATFE was "freezing" the National Registry to "clarify any errors" that may be on it. The minimum estimate was two years...Work me up in a cold sweat.

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Tirod
November 22, 2014, 02:10 PM
And having two lawsuits against them on that subject wouldn't? :evil:

In the scope of national politics it wouldn't rate a mention on the 6:00 news. There would be a scuffle in Ferguson to cover it up.

Not to poke too hard, but do we discuss dreams any more than fantasy? Just sayin. But the prospect of the ATF being directed by the Chief Executive is slight, he's jerking Congresses chain on immigration and deflecting national attention from the results of the courts looking at Justice and what documents they will and won't release from Fast and Furious.

It's extensive and involves Eric Holder who again isn't very forthcoming about his involvment - and has already resigned. Duck and run.

Which should get us even further into politics which we don't discuss. And I'm not, at this level it's just current events, but others may demur and they get the last say

AlexanderA
November 22, 2014, 02:51 PM
There are undoubtedly errors in the Registry. But "freezing" transactions is not going to purge the errors. Ultimately, the only way to clean the Registry and bring it into the modern information age is to declare an amnesty and have every existing NFA item re-registered. (An obvious side effect of this would be that a lot of things would come into the Registry that weren't there before. But that's OK. The argument that could be made to the antigunners is that it's better to have these items registered and tracked rather than having them continue to float around unregistered.)

Tirod
November 23, 2014, 09:56 PM
There have been amnesties before, and I believe that opening up the registery in the face of two lawsuits claiming it shouldn't be closed would be evidence against the BATF (who is just doing what they were told by Congress.)

So Congress would have egg on it's face and POTUS would look pro machine gun. One is just a fact of life, but the other is something that won't ever happen in this administration. They would prefer to say that unregistered MG's are dangerously illegal and need to be turned in.

Anti gunners don't work things around to help the citizen, there game plan is to ban guns totally, not help keep what we have legally.

It's a "third rail" issue for the Administration and nothing good will come of it. Giving amnesty to illegal aliens plays better than amnesty to any MG owner for whatever reason.

armoredman
November 23, 2014, 11:00 PM
I apologize Tirod, won't happen again.

CapnMac
November 23, 2014, 11:58 PM
Ok, am I incorrect in thinking that there was only ever the one NFA amnesty?

medalguy
November 24, 2014, 08:17 PM
I suppose in 1934 there must have been one, but I wasn't around for that one. :neener:

Arizona_Mike
November 24, 2014, 09:25 PM
Perhapse the next President can waive the NFA for silencers and SBRs using "prosecutorial discression" or just delay implementation for a few years and then have an amnesty. :)

Mike

Tirod
November 28, 2014, 12:56 AM
The President can sign a bill into law, anything short of that and it's not law. Congress made the NFA happen, the BATF enforces. Interfering with that chain of command gets the Executive Branch in serious trouble either way. There is a division of power, three branches, etc. Justice can't write law, just (mis) interpret it, Congress can't "enforce" law, just create them, and the President can only oversee the Executive Branch in how that is done - not ignore it outright or create new versions of it.

He may be getting away with the Fast and Furious issue for now, but Eric Holder isn't. Previous Presidents had issues, one resigned while in office.

It's quite a bit more complicated that popular myth makes it, the President can't wave a magic pen and take away our rights any more than give them. He's just the Lead Supervisor of a working government which Congress has burdened with tasks and responsibilities that must be performed.

In a very real sense, he has to fly to military bases and shake hands, or award medals to soldiers for actions that he may very well wish didn't happen.

He's only got the job for two more years, and then some other overambitious ego will try to get us to employ him. And when the Departments read him in to what he has to support in existing policy, then a lot of the campaign promises come up dead short.

The job really controls him more than he "controls" the country. Nobody "controls" America, it's a mob of quite self centered people who's first concern is themselves. We just back a player if we think it can get us what we want.

Open the registery or keep it closed, the President didn't stop the SIG Brace, didn't stop Illinois becoming a CCW state, didn't stop gun stores from opening in Chicago, didn't stop a lawsuit against a CA sherriff on shall issue, didn't stop Florida making suppressors legal to use hunting, didn't stop MO making Open Carry legal for CCW holders.

In the last 6 years things have gotten quite a bit better for us. He couldn't stop it one bit. He talks a good game but he hasn't done nearly as much underhanded damage as Cuomo or other legislators banning the possession and use of AR15's. Doesn't hold a candle to them.

I see President bashing as a complete waste of time. He doesn't make or break how we live our lives, just takes the blame when we insist, or the credit when it works out well.

And some candidates even say they invented the internet. Which should give good insight to just exactly how far the "presidential" class of people will go in trying to impress us.

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