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Bruz
February 6, 2003, 07:27 PM
I bought a couple of old large spear heads and am looking to make a pig sticker out of one...other than a shaft from a shovel or hoe, where do you think I can get a hopefully authentic looking shaft of tough, bendable material about 6 feet long and 1/2 inch thick?

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Joe Demko
February 6, 2003, 07:51 PM
Try Museum Replicas. They sell shafts for their own spears. Could also try going to a good hardwood lumber yard and explaining what you want.

Don Gwinn
February 6, 2003, 11:27 PM
Cold Steel sells ash shafts.

Bruz
February 6, 2003, 11:37 PM
Thanks guys, those are great sites!

scotjute
February 7, 2003, 10:07 AM
Not sure if its the best or as good as those from MRL, but most lumber stores sell those wooden "clothes hanger rods". They usually come in 2 diameters. I've used them before to make boat paddles.

Hand_Rifle_Guy
February 7, 2003, 06:22 PM
If you can locate a stair-building shop, you can get handrail material in diameters up to 2" in any kind of wood you care to name. there are also component suppliers that sell the stuff.

Stair shops aren't usually in the phone book, but most of them are union. Check with your local UBC hall. They should be able to refer you to someone.

It won't be cheap. In red oak, for example, 1 1/2" diameter handrail typically comes in 16 foot lengths at something like 8 bucks a foot. A shop could certainly manufacture anything you might want diameter- and material-wise, but it'll cost even more for them to set up their shaper.

If youre lucky, someone'll have a short piece of cutoff leftover from an installation sitting around that you could get without buying a 16 footer. Oak, maple, and cherry would make a pretty stout shaft, and those are really common.

If you feel REALLY motivated and own a stout router, I could write out a detailed set of instructions on how you could create your own shaft from raw materials. That would require a few tools, however, and large diameter router bits run about $80, usually.

You might make a few calls to some local custom cabinet shops in town also. Pricing might be competive to the stair shop, and most of 'em ought to be able to handle building a beefy shaft with the tooling the've got.

Bruz
February 7, 2003, 09:12 PM
Thanks all for your help...I did look up Cold Steels site http://www.coldsteel.com/index-b.html and ordered one Birch and one White Waxwood shaft. I'll still have to do some sanding but they are selling these as replacement shafts for spears. Never heard of the waxwood but it sounds real tuff. Do not look at the site if you like sharp objects...I also bought 2 knives and some other stuff. :rolleyes:

On a knife making site I found some 6 mil "plastic" that can be heat molded to make knife holders...need to make a sheath for my 2 foot long spear head, anyone use this stuff?

VaughnT
February 8, 2003, 09:07 PM
The biggest concern isn't the type of wood, but the straightness of the wood's grain. You definitely don't want that shaft to splinter and run back on you when the boar rides up on it. And don't forget the cross-bar or ring to stop the penetration. The ring should be about 4" in diameter and a crossbar should be about 6" long and of half-inch stock, preferably cold-rolled if not carbon steel.

And don't be afraid to wrap the shaft's weakpoints with good rawhide and sinews. Look for runouts in the grain and lash them accordingly.

Another idea would be to use a phenolic resin bo staff from a martial arts supplier. These things are touted as unbreakable, but I've never tested one. It's in the works as I also have a spearhead that needs mounting (I'm considering a shorter Zulu spear for close-in fighting).

Bruz
February 8, 2003, 09:29 PM
phenolic resin bo staff from a martial arts supplier.

Have you priced this yet or know of a supplier?


I also have a spearhead that needs mounting

What type of spear head ya got? You mentioned for fighting, whatcha fighting with a spear. :what:

JShirley
February 8, 2003, 10:27 PM
I have several staves made from canvas micarta. These are excellent, firm but flexible, and I have seen them subjected to abuse that broke purple heart bo's.

Unfortunately, I don't know where one can get them, these days. They were made by a training friend in ATL.

Bruz
February 9, 2003, 02:00 AM
I have several staves made from canvas micarta.

Several eh...is that several extra ones? :rolleyes: Like ones that are not being used, that are rotting, several sad and lonely ones needing a new home? :rolleyes:

JShirley
February 9, 2003, 02:49 PM
Okay, I suppose "a couple" would be a more accurate description. Sorry. :)

I had training tools made with various other materials, but I've broken 'bout all of them except for my canvas micarta ones.

VaughnT
February 9, 2003, 04:43 PM
Bruz, I can't find mention of the phenolic resin staffs anymore, don't know where they went, but here are two links for neat staffs that might work. A lot depends on your spearhead.

http://www.4martialartssupplies.com/graphite1piecestraightbo.html

http://www.bynoon.com/martial47.html (a clear acrylic spearshaft?!! Cool.)

They aren't expensive and graphite is supposed to be very strong, though lightning strikes are a possibility.

The spear head I have is a Cold Steel Bushman. NIB it is very, very sharp and I liked the idea that it is a single flat piece that has a socket made by simply wrapping the steel around a mandrell. It should make for an interesting MadMax/Zulu fighting implement.

You never know when a "long-handled" knife is gonna come in handy. I'll not be going after boars any time soon with a 4' haft, but I'm looking at this like a tactical spear more suited for room clearing and small unit tactics :cool: More of an AR15 rather than an M1.

Don Gwinn
February 10, 2003, 11:26 AM
Man, I'm sorry. I should have warned you that Cold Steel's Special Projects website is actually http://www.ltspecpro.com

I hope you didn't overpay as a result of my dumbassitude.

Bruz
February 10, 2003, 10:21 PM
I hope you didn't overpay as a result of my dumbassitude.

No, I found the right place...thats why I ended up acually buying 3 shafts, a couple knives, and some other goodies! Would of only bought 1 shaft at the higher prices...:rolleyes:

Bruz
February 11, 2003, 11:45 PM
New pig sticker...

http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL35/450059/1446931/19965260.jpg

http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL35/450059/1446931/19965215.jpg

And pig slicer...

http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL35/450059/1446931/19965254.jpg

http://pic2.picturetrail.com/VOL35/450059/1446931/19965194.jpg

Byron Quick
February 13, 2003, 07:17 PM
Uh, I don't think so. Do some research on historical boar spears. They have a cross piece behind the blade of the spear. It is there for a very practical reason: without it, pigs have a habit of walking down the shaft to get at what's holding the shaft. Not a good end to a hunt.

Bruz
February 13, 2003, 11:36 PM
Uh, I don't think so. Do some research on historical boar spears.

Never said it was the best pig sticker, or that I was going to use it professionally, or that it was even completed... :rolleyes: I did do research and do know that there should be a cross piece, even though it is hard to believe that a pig can walk up a 2 foot head and a 6 foot shaft, especially when the shaft starts out at 3/4 of an inch and ends up at 2 inches, but yes I too read that.

scotjute
February 14, 2003, 10:19 AM
Historically speaking (or perhaps I should say legendary) that is how Mordred dealt King Arthur his death blow. King Arthur saw Mordred left on the battle field and grabbed his spear and thrust it thru Mordred. Mordred walked up the spear to King Arthur and wacked him on the helmet with his sword and then died. The sword cut the helmet and King Arthur's head.

Don Gwinn
February 14, 2003, 11:39 AM
That long one looks like a wicked thrower. At one time, Cold Steel made a "boar spear" with the crosspiece forged in--it looked just like the old European boar spears, complete with double-edged dagger-like blade.

I'm glad you were smart so I didn't cost you!

Bruz
February 15, 2003, 10:31 PM
Cold Steel made a "boar spear" with the crosspiece forged in--it looked just like the old European boar spears, complete with double-edged dagger-like blade.

Yea Don, thier still making it...you also brought up a good point about the Cold Steel website having 2 places to order, if any one gets lost make sure you go to the "Special Projects" page to order. And if any one is interested the White Wax Wood is some tough stuff. It is a good 6 feet long, natural (not lathed), is like 1 inch at one end and 2 inches at the other. Decided to use it with my long blade for in the woods. Am making a sheath for the blade that is on the narrow end, the thick end I am putting a cap on it and will use the hole thing as a walking stick. Make a great club also! :what:

Byron Quick
February 19, 2003, 09:45 AM
This site bears looking at for shafts and staves: http://www.midwestdowel.com/index.htm

While they only have prices up for 3 foot lengths they will ship six foot lengths.

DrewBy
March 31, 2006, 01:27 PM
Bruz,

I have no idea if your still interested in a spear, or making one. I custom build hunting/throwing spears. I construct the shaft out of bamboo, its' light and extremely durable (if cured correctly). Weighted and counter-weighted, my spear can be thrown like a javelin... if your interested send me a email.

hso
April 1, 2006, 10:34 AM
DrewBy,

Welcome to the forum!

You should post some pictures of what you're building.

Micarta rod material is available at plastics or phenolic dealers. Here's an example - http://phenolic-sheets-rods-tubes.com/C-CE-rods.htm

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