'Excitement' over new products


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critter
February 6, 2003, 06:41 PM
Maybe I'm getting to be an old codger or even a cremudgeon. However, I have been having a hard time getting all that worked up over all the 'NEW AND FANTASTIC' stuff coming out. I can't warm up to tactical plastic. I can't warm up to the new safety lockup gadgets. I don't believe all the super-hype over all the new 'miracle' ammo types they are pushing. I can't belive the new mini-17 calibers are elephant stoppers and they don't seem to buck the wind at all.

Guess this old geezer will just have to stick with 'old timey' revolvers, 1911's, M1 Gerands, tried and true bolt guns, guns with relatively big holes in the end, those without all the 'hangey on' fancy attachments that require wheels to be mobile, those that don't require a key-ring-12 volt battery-combination lock-18 digit password, etc. to work. I AM HAPPY WITH WHAT I HAVE and their ilk.

Just wondered if I am alone? HELLOOoooooooo?

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Blackhawk
February 6, 2003, 06:53 PM
Right, Critter, but none of those products are exciting to me. They're just a result or cause of marketing hype.

I get excited about announcements of products I already wanted before I ever heard about them. For example, the 2 new KT products and the Rohrbaugh 9mm pocket pistol.

I've wanted a .380 or better caliber P-32 since I got my P-32. I've wanted a handy M16 type rifle since I was in the Army.

I've wanted a 9mm mouse gun since I became a fan of pocket carry.

For years, I've also wanted a commercially available .45 JHP stuffed with C4 and an impact fuse. Same for a 12 ga slug. Those rounds haven't been announced yet, but I'd be excited if they were.... :D

BerettaNut92
February 6, 2003, 06:57 PM
Products I'm looking forward to fill a niche :
Trijicon Tri-Power (tritium, not battery powered, red dot)
Bushie lightweight uppers
Beretta 92G-SD (decock only Brigadier with light rail)

Products I'm looking forward to just because:
HK P2000
Beretta SA revolver
Benelli M4 Super 90

TheFrontRange
February 6, 2003, 06:57 PM
Hi, Critter. I'm with you on much of what you say. I've tried Kydex with my 1911 but it just wasn't "right" for me...got myself some good, solid, custom-crafted leather and all was okay again. :)

Guns like S&W Models 19 and 27, a Ruger 10/22, a good single-action revolver and lever-action carbine...maybe not cutting edge, but those are the guns on my wish list! :)

Ebbtide
February 6, 2003, 07:03 PM
Perhaps some day I will get where you are, but I AM headed that way.

When I was younger I would develope tunnel vision until I bought the new product. As I am getting older I have noticed I get excited when reading about all the "new" gizmos, but don't buy them.

Even more recently, I find myself being sceptical of just about everything "new" and "improved". So much in fact I scrutinize it so much I end up believing it's all junk.

Sometimes I think its just a rationalization due to personal finances and an adjustment in priorities (I have an expensive crack habit :D , but seriuosilly, golden years, furthering education, kids, etc.)

But it is still fun to talk about!

ehenz

Pendragon
February 6, 2003, 07:52 PM
I'm with you.

I'm 32, but I dream of 1911s and nice revolvers and lever action rifles (without a scope - that should be a crime!).

The plastical tactical stuff just leaves me cold.

I am a pragmatist at heart.

what I would like is a chronograph.

sm
February 6, 2003, 08:09 PM
Perhaps... in a way.

I mean all those buying targets and tactical status sometimes provide really good buys out there.

In the caught up furry of "gotta have it now , but got sell this first, or some tactical guru ....

1911 Colt serieS 70...$300
MODEL 19 .... $150
Series I kimber Custom $375
870 Wingmaster LNIB $160

Have cash, be patient, and the gadget guy in need is what gets me excited
;)

Standing Wolf
February 6, 2003, 08:32 PM
New often isn't any better than old, and sometimes isn't even different except in name.

labgrade
February 6, 2003, 08:47 PM
I guess I can related.

Many of what has been "old" will do the trick enough to not need much of anything new.

I'd bet it's more to do with advertising hype than anything better. & maybe that's what critter's - uhm, "ranting" (my lack) about.

Old saying about "nuttin' much a coupla hunderd dollars & a .30-06 won't fix."

Schuey2002
February 6, 2003, 09:42 PM
I'm trying to get excited over the debut of the HK P2000 but, I'm getting tired of waiting, which is really starting to turn me off on this new handgun.. :fire: :banghead:

Don Gwinn
February 6, 2003, 11:01 PM
I can't warm up to tactical plastic.

While I have no comment on the old codger issue, I would like respectfully to point out that the Glock has been around for twenty years. ;)

Azrael256
February 7, 2003, 01:09 AM
I've got an old J-frame, a .22 levergun, and a nice mossy 12. I'm looking for a nice lever .30-30, a bolt .30-06, and a Kentucky rifle. I'm 21, so it's not age, it's just good taste. I stick with what I've got because it goes BOOM when I want it to and stops what I point it at. Anything more is just a toy to me.

Art Eatman
February 7, 2003, 01:36 AM
Well, now, Don, give it another twenty/thirty years or so, and see if it takes...After all, Old Slabsides has been around for over 90, goin' on a hundred...

"Ain't many things a fellow can't fix, with a few hundred dollars and a thirty-ought-six." I first saw that in a Cooper column...Figure it'd make a good signature line in emails to HCI, PETA, Sierra Club, et al. And various Congressvolk.

Heck, look at all the bells and whistles on scopes, and all the money they want: That's a whole bunch of trouble, trying to get better than an old Weaver K4. :D

I have an old Solingen pocket knife that'll gut a deer as good as anything else I've ever used...It was new in probably 193-something.

And huntin' from horseback beats heck out of a four-wheeler ATV. They'll go up steeper slopes, don't run out of gas, and can refuel out in the boonies.

:D, Art

Johnny Guest
February 7, 2003, 11:05 AM
- - -In wanting something new to ME, even if it's "pre-owned," and becoming convinced by a buncha advertising hype.
And, sometimes, I long for some item which is not currently produced, but will jump right on it when it IS introduced.

For years - -and I mean, decades, I wanted a high quality double action revolver in .45 Colt. I was too frugal (all right, too cheap) to pay collector price for a hard use, field gun. Finally, I saw the S&W Mountain Gun at a SHOT show in Dallas. Handled it for two minutes. Monday, I phoned my FFL and ordered one without even asking the price. This was not yielding to clever product promotion, it was long-standing wish fulfillment. And, unlike so many dreams, when this one came true, it was all I desired, and more!

OTOH, I STILL don't own a any glow-in-the-dark sights, nor a pistol with an "Accessory Rail." I did buy a Glock 19 a couple of years ago. A decent product, but I just can't develop any enthusiasm for it. It is a training aid for instruction, or like the fire extinguisher in my car - -a bit of emergency gear.

Best,
Johnny
Veteran surly curmudgeon

ball3006
February 7, 2003, 11:56 AM
blued steel and wood, I don't get too excited with the exception of the Armalite 50 in left hand. Would like a P3AT for pocket carry too.....chris3

foghornl
February 7, 2003, 12:09 PM
I am a "traditional weapons" kind of guy, too. The only black plastic I have is my Maverick by Mossberg shotgun. As for the rest......
Marlin 99 .22LR Wood
Marlin Lever Gun .30/30 Wood
US Rifle Cal .30 M-1 Walnut
Mosin-Nagant M-44 Wood variety unknown
Ruger Vaquero .357 OK, Micarta grips, glossy Stainless Steel
Springfield 1911-A1 Champion Wood grips, all else steel

cordex
February 7, 2003, 12:59 PM
It doesn't strike me as a point of moral superiority to like blued steel and wooden stocks ...

Newer != Better;
Older != Better;

I have a slightly wider range of what I consider acceptable in my hardware than some of you, I guess. Plastic doesn't bother me. Evil looking doesn't bother me. Heck, even the really wacky things like scoped synthetic leverguns or evil aluminum-receivered, black, semi-auto rifles with 30 round magazines don't offend. Yeah, sometimes they look funky, but if it works, it works ... right?
Personally don't own a Glock, but if I liked the way it shot/felt/carried, I'd get one.
Have a lot of wood stocks, but am getting to like synthetics because I don't feel bad about actually using them.
Like revolvers, but only because it's easier to collect the brass. If my .45 dumped the brass into my pocket as I shot, the .357 would see a lot less use.
I own several old mil-surp bolt action rifles and shoot them a lot. The rifle that sees the most action is probably my Springfield/Stevens single-shot .22 (mfg sometime around 1936-42) with the beat up stock and shabby finish (but good bore, and is pretty accurate). Doesn't mean I don't enjoy my AR-15, or shooting other new and nifty stuff (okay, the AR design doesn't qualify as "new", but you get the idea).

My point, I think, is that having an unreasoned aversion to all things new and nifty because they are new and nifty is silly. It's one thing to avoid the hype, and another to be reactionary.

Don't buy it because it is new, or because the manufacturer swears up and down that it is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but buy it if it fits your purpose regardless of the patent date or bright colors on the box. If it's a question of taste and liking or disliking certain finishes or stock compositions or colors purely for cosmetic reasons, then remember that your opinion might well matter not at all to others, and don't take it too hard if they say so.

This particular young'n carries a 1911 and a J frame, but it doesn't bother me that others prefer their Kel-Tecs and Glocks and USPs. Use what you like, and like what you use, and let others do the same.

Destructo6
February 7, 2003, 01:26 PM
So, when all that old stuff was new, it wasn't any good, but somehow attained coolness with age?

Don't knock the new stuff because it's new or the old because it's old. There is plenty of new and old stuff that is highly overrated.

Detachment Charlie
February 7, 2003, 02:54 PM
I've slimmed the inventory down to the basics:
S&W Mod. 10
1911
Mossy .12 ga.
And, instead of an EBR, I really think I'm gonna go with an official & original Redneck Assault Rifle, Lever Action .30-.30
Happy Trails, Yee-Ha!!:)

Pendragon
February 7, 2003, 04:13 PM
My point, I think, is that having an unreasoned aversion to all things new and nifty because they are new and nifty is silly. It's one thing to avoid the hype, and another to be reactionary.

A persons taste tells a lot about them.

I agree with Mike Savage and what he said the other day - when you see guys who grew up in a poor area or a rough area and they come into money, they dress up - Gucci, Armani, etc. Thats fine, they are making a statement and they are differentiating themselves.

I don't care how wealthy I get, I will probably always wear what I find comfortable.

So look at firearms. The neato new stuff often does have its uses. However, there is a certain type of person who seemes overly drawn to new gadgetry for it's own sake. This is fine and is their right - but I think many of us are suspicious of such a mind and we abhor the mind that thinks gadgetry and technology win gun battles.

Do not forget that the people who make and market newer designs have a vested interest in creating demand for products that people did not previously know they needed. Sometimes a product will come along that needs very little marketing because it is, in fact, the better mouse trap. I do not have an aversion to such things.

I generally dislike plastic guns almost all DA/SA guns and most DAO guns because I adhere to the old school notion that DA autos are "a solution in search of a problem". Police tend to carry Sigs, Glocks or Berettas or similar. I know that Police guns are not selected because they are the most suited weapon to personal combat. They are selected for political reasons and financial reasons. In my eyes, this is like affirmative action for hand guns. I think that people who carry a gun should carry a gun that works best for them. If one of these guns works best for you then I am glad for you, but I still do not understand what is appealing about a Glock or a Beretta and I probably never will.

I do not see the need to own multiple types of weapons. My auto pistols will always be of the 1911 variety and my other handguns will be revolvers - and mostly S&W at that. Calibers will be kept to the absolute minimum - currently .38sp and .45ACP - no doubt rounded out by .22LR and a big bore boomer caliber later on.

The supposedly low capacity of such guns does not bother me, and the history of the designs gives me greater confidence and a sense of awe that the basic designs have worked so well for so long.

When I get into long guns, I will likewise own very few because I think that the .308 and .45-70 are suficient to take any game on this continent. A .22 for training up the youngins and maybe a socially oriented rifle in .223 just because Chuckie hates them so.

I am baffled by people who own a dozen different rifles in different calibers.

That is my point of view and my world view and it works well for me and makes me happy.

Thanks for reading.

Carbon_15
February 7, 2003, 04:34 PM
Beretta SA revolver
Hmmm...Interesting.
Any more Information/Pics? I have heard its going to be called the Stampeed..other than that I'm in the dark. PLEASE, someone have some pics..please

Art Eatman
February 7, 2003, 05:37 PM
I got no problem with "new" if it does better at a given job. Not even any particular problem if it does just as well as an older version, but no better.

E.g., I just resent the implication that without a tactical black color in a plastic stock, I can't hit a small target with my Old Pet.

I wouldn't mind camo-clothing ads if they'd ever admit you don't need them for 99% of big-game hunting other than birds.

I wouldn't mind folks touting Mr. High-dollar's 4x24x90 scope, if they wouldn't try to make me believe my 30-year old K4 won't let me kill Bambi.

I've gutted Lord knows how many deer with some plain-vanilla blade to believe in the "need" for a stainless-serrated-one-hand-tanto-folder and a handle with inlaid goat pills.

And it'll be a cold somewhere before I head out from camp with a GPS, a laser range finder and an IR game finder, along with half-a-ton of Abercrombie and Fitch's finest thingummies, whichits and whatevers.

Aw, well. Far as I'm concerned, the world went all to hell when they quit puttin' vent windows on pickemups. Or dreamed up cheese enchiladas or quiche. They oughta bring back rumble seats and drive-in movies...

:D, Art

sm
February 7, 2003, 05:59 PM
Art,
Well said.

Yeah I have one polymer gun...it does fill a niche..."Old Slabsides" it ain't though. My compass skills may be a bit rusty, but no worries of batteries getting rusty, or going out.

I know a fellow whom spent over 10K on Tactical gearl last year, changed guns, swapped, traded...and almost cost him a divorce. Now he is so confused he can't hit anything. His petite wife outshoots him with her Mil-Spec...embarrassing.

I shot against him---well he challenged me--Though 1100's are too low for me I used a styrofoam cup(s) and electrical tape to build up the comb...stock gun 5 rounds...well he almost threw his Benelli downrange replete with all the doo-dads. Gunsmith razed him, his wife laughed, and I being rusty --surprised. Gunsmith's comment...Tacky beat Tactical .

For sure though they gotta bring back the drive-in movies, vent windows for P/U 's. Now Rumble seats...wee bit 'fore my time...but I can appreciate the vent window at the drive-in picture show ;)

Blackhawk
February 7, 2003, 06:45 PM
They oughta bring back rumble seats and drive-in movies... Drive-in movies are... gone...? :(

Thumper
February 7, 2003, 06:55 PM
"Ain't many things a fellow can't fix, with a few hundred dollars and a thirty-ought-six."

Remembering that line from his daughter Lindy's poem earned me a smile and about 2 1/2 hours conversation with Jeff C. at the '99 SHOT show.

Say what you want to about the old boy; tolerating a bonehead like me for that long proves he's a good man.

Archie
February 7, 2003, 07:05 PM
Okay, the agency issued me a Glock 17. It works properly, but has no soul. If'n I ever know I'm in for a gunfight, I'll have a 1911 or a S&W revolver handy.

The fanciest "new" gun I have is a Remington 870 with evil black plastic stock and side-saddle ammo holder. I have a 700 VLS, switched to a fibreglas stock so I can ignore the weather.

But Critter, I must admit I feel the new-gun-calling. I decided I want one of them new-fangled 99 Savages in .300 Savage!

BerettaNut92
February 7, 2003, 08:48 PM
C15:
Any more Information/Pics? I have heard its going to be called the Stampeed..other than that I'm in the dark. PLEASE, someone have some pics..please

I heard they will be similar to the Uberti's...can't confirm that though.

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