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OYE
March 8, 2015, 10:14 PM
Ticks are a real problem around in the spring on cattle, horses, and us. We keep some of that 10% permethrin around (about 1/2 ounce to the quart of water) for spraying horses before we head out to the BLM. Worked so well on the horses, a few years back we got to sprayng it on our shoes and pant legs as well. No ticks since. Guess if you are running around in your birthday suit two miles from your rig, not caring who sees you do what, like the couple we saw yesterday bending over rocks looking for snipe, the spray might not help much.

We should point out that we haven't been bitten by a rattlesnake either since we started using it, but we hadn't been bitten prior to that either. It's not advertised as a snake repellent.

So maybe it's all a big coincidence. For the "what it's worth department".

Disclaimer: We would never recommend or imply to recommend that any
chemicals intended for livestock should be used on humans.


OYE

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rust collector
March 9, 2015, 12:47 AM
http://sectionhiker.com/treating-your-clothes-with-permethrin/

RetiredUSNChief
March 9, 2015, 03:19 AM
Don't worry.

It won't be long before it's banned, and they have two good reasons to do so:

1. It works.

2. It's got "meth" in the name.

;)

Grumulkin
March 9, 2015, 06:39 AM
It won't be long before it's banned, and they have two good reasons to do so:

1. It works.

2. It's got "meth" in the name.

You forgot one. It isn't humane to the ticks.

RetiredUSNChief
March 9, 2015, 07:00 AM
You forgot one. It isn't humane to the ticks.

Probably has a carbon footprint, too!

Macchina
March 9, 2015, 08:27 AM
Guess if you are running around in your birthday suit two miles from your rig, not caring who sees you do what, like the couple we saw yesterday bending over rocks looking for snipe, the spray might not help much.


Did you ask them if they needed any help looking for Snipe? People like that will often let you join in the search just because you're in the area. My uncle would do that but he told me to be careful. He got bit by Snipe once when he was out helping a couple look for them and now he has the clap.

OYE
March 9, 2015, 10:53 AM
We really weren't dressed for it. Didn't have our riding boots on. The horse seemed perplexed by it all. He'd never seen anybody in their birthday suit
(as far as I know ).

We didn't mention the encounter to any of the "staff " when we got back, as it was late and we kind of figured we would be accused of having ulterior motives. OYE

ironworkerwill
March 9, 2015, 11:02 AM
All ticks need to DIE! I hate them soo bad.

Permethrin is a topical treatment for Humans. It's usually prescribed to folks who have scabies. Since it kills 8 legged pests like mites it should work well on ticks and chiggers. I freakin hate chiggers almost as bad as ticks.

rodregier
March 9, 2015, 12:47 PM
Commercial permethrin product intended to treat human clothing:

http://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Products-Permethrin-Clothing-Repellent/dp/B001ANQVZE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425919637&sr=8-1&keywords=permethrin

armedwalleye
March 9, 2015, 01:14 PM
First we're eating pigeons, the possums and coyotes...

Thread made me wonder looking at the title how many it would take to fill you up, and if the thread was going to discuss rifle vs pistol vs shotgun....

Let me know when somebody starts eatin' em.

MtnCreek
March 9, 2015, 01:15 PM
If anyone wants to use it on themselves, read the directions carefully. The one I buy has instructions for treating animals and barns and they advise to not use the product mixed to barn treatment ratio on animals. If it's not safe for a horse, I aint going to put it on me. FWIW, I use rubber gloves when handling it.

Edit: It's pronounced per me thrin. Not meth.

ApacheCoTodd
March 9, 2015, 09:50 PM
When it's gonna be real bad:

One at each boot top and then chopped bits elsewhere like shirt pockets.

Todd.

Charley C
March 10, 2015, 05:24 AM
Oye.......

Don't count on it to protect against rattlesnakes; (or any other kind of snakes for that matter.) A snakes sensory organs are totally different from almost all other animals.

MtnCreek
March 10, 2015, 08:19 AM
Strange. Yesterday evening the wife bought some hunting/fishing clothes that came pretreated with permethrin. It's supposed to last for 30 or something washes.

Panfisher
March 10, 2015, 08:43 AM
You can buy Permethrin products made for use on your clothes just about anywhere even wal-mart. I have used a lot of it and it works well.

brainwake
March 11, 2015, 01:11 PM
I have been using Permethrin from Sawyers for years while backpacking, camping, or working in the woods. I have a few pairs of pants that I generally use and will treat once or twice a year. I can always tell the difference. I just don't get as many if any ticks when wearing treated clothing.

Also, I am not afraid of ticks really. I am usually the first one to go stomping through the woods. I just pick them off and flick them. When I do get bitten, it usually itches pretty quickly.

I think it also helps with chiggers. And by the way...I hate chiggers way more than ticks!

ironworkerwill
March 11, 2015, 02:37 PM
Tick bites, for me, are fast acting and long lasting.

BTW, for you all that have cats, don't use permethrin around felines. It works nearly as good on cats as it does ticks.

H&Hhunter
March 12, 2015, 06:44 PM
Commercial permethrin product intended to treat human clothing:

I've been using permethrin to treat my cloths for years. It's a no go item for Africa. I won't hunt the African bush in clothes that aren't treated. They've got some ticks over there that are just plain nasty and African tick fever is a sickness you never want to experience. It seems to work well against mosquitoes and Tsetse flies too.

earlthegoat2
March 12, 2015, 09:27 PM
If you get your Permethrin from a commercial pest control supplier and you can save tons of money.

domyownpestcontrol.com

gamestalker
March 15, 2015, 06:35 PM
I hate them ticks! When I lived in the mid west they were terrible. For some reason though, my short hair didn't have much trouble with them, and as it turned out, it may have been the "Hatch" New Mexico green he loved to eat. Each year my wife and I would have 50 lbs. of " Hatch" green chile shipped to us in S.D., that dog just loved smothered green chile burritos. Mosquitoes don't seem to like that chile either, cause we never had much of a problem with them the day after a nice mexican dinner that included Hot green chile.

So, out of curiosity, we tried rubbing a little bit of hot Hatch red chile powder on our pant legs before going hunting or fishing, and never had an issue with any insects, it's a great repellent. just don't get it in your eye's.

About snipe, I won a $50 bet once regarding snipe. A friend of mine from Alaska who was going to college out here, and one morning while hunting deer together, he asked me if I wanted to go hunt snipe in the morning. I told him no, I don't really get into water foul. He just started laughing and then told me that snipe don't exist, it's a gag that hunters like to pull on new hunters.

So I told him that I would bet him $50 that snipe do exist, and that there is indeed an actual hunting season for them. Again, he laughed and said your on, so I grabbed my hunting regulations out of the glove box, bingo, snipe season, bag limit, shooting hours, and legal weapons. That $50 bet was easier to win, than betting someone I can bring a fly back to life after letting them drown it for 30 minutes in a glass of water. Anyone ever seen that done?

GS

RetiredUSNChief
March 15, 2015, 07:30 PM
I've found ticks on me maybe a half dozen times in my life. I've been fortunate, however, not to have any of the buggers actually attached.

You can bet I was doing the heebie-jeebies dance and search routine looking for more every time that happened!

buck460XVR
March 16, 2015, 10:30 AM
Most any readily available repellent works well on ticks. The secret is to use it everytime you may be exposed and to use it properly. I had Lyme disease 20 years ago, believe me, you don't want to get it. Around here most folks don't realize how early the bear/deer ticks come out in early spring. Many times, the temps only have to be above freezing for a day or two before they become active. I've found bear ticks on me when there is still snow on the ground and ice on the lakes. Same goes in the fall. One or two nights below freezing does not mean the ticks are gone. The cool temps also mean they can detect body heat much more efficiently.

hso
March 16, 2015, 11:06 AM
Only use permethrin clothing treatment products intended for that use and as directed.

The concentrations are as needed for killing the bloodsucking critters as opposed to livestock application and are safe for our uses.

If you treat your clothing as directions say you'll be able to wash them half a dozen times before you need to re-treat. That means spay to dampen the surface, not wet, and air dry completely before wearing. I hang field clothes up on the porch and spray them and let them dry there.

I find the Saywer pump bottles to give the best bang for the buck.

Insect Shield (http://www.insectshield.com/shop/) durably treats clothing that they offer as well as clothing from other clothing companies. Their durable treatment is good for ~ 100 washes and by then, if you think about it, most clothing items might be reaching the end of their usable life. I set up a "company store" with them for our employees that perform field work and the clothing has been a god-send in stopping ticks. If you have some tough gear like my old 511 Covert Khakis that are well beyond 100 washes and going strong you can just start treating them every few washes.

H&Hhunter
March 16, 2015, 12:03 PM
I find the Saywer pump bottles to give the best bang for the buck.


I agree, that is the stuff that I use too.

OYE
March 16, 2015, 01:34 PM
The concentrations are as needed for killing the bloodsucking critters as opposed to livestock application and are safe for our uses.


Looks like the stuff you guys are using is .5% permethrin. What we are using for spot spraying on stock is 1/2 ounce of 10% concentrate mixed with 32 ounces of water. Which figures up to a lot less than .5% permethrin in the final product.

So maybe we should also say that what is intended for human clothing treatment is not considered safe to be used on livestock. (Personally I wouldn't want .5% concentrate on my clothes either, but that's just me. )

Think the last quart of 10% concentrate was about 17.99 at our local farm supply store. OYE

Hanshi
March 16, 2015, 02:36 PM
I bought a bottle of concentrated permethrin which will make many gallons of extra strong spray. I spray my boots, clothes, let them dry and I'm good for a couple of hunting seasons. Since I started doing this I've not found a single tick on me even during spring turkey season. It is NOT for putting on the skin or for use around pets. For exposed skin I rub on a little DEET.

When I was younger I NEVER got a tick; only in the past 25 to 30 years have they become a problem. I'm convinced the problem is largely one caused by the breeding experiments on Plum Island. Starting in the 1950s and working for the DOD; they experimented with weaponizing ticks for the military. Like several other diseases and accidents, they escaped added to the number of tick born diseases already present. Just Big Brother protecting us again.

urbaneruralite
March 16, 2015, 02:39 PM
I buy the 10% concentrate and dilute down to the same as Permanone. You get a longer lasting product with those intended for clothes, but diluting my own in so much cheaper. Plus it's on camo so there's no worry about staining.

ElevenBravo
March 20, 2015, 11:40 PM
the wife and I usually buy a spray bottle of the stuff every year to treat our hunting clothes. Works very well, but some animals don't take it very well if they ingest it or get sprayed with it, cats in particular. We have to be very careful to make sure that our hunting clothes are completely dry before bringing them into the house because of this.

But we've been to some pretty bug filled places and not one tick, and it helps keep other bugs away too. Between this and the Thermacells, we manage to get through our hunting trips with a minimal number of bites.

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