[Third_Rail]

Okay, seeing the project by Badger Arms has me thinking... if I got a receiver for an FAL that never had an attached stock, could I do that as long as it stays under 50 ounces? Or does the fact that it's a "rifle caliber" mean I can't? I'd have to make/get a 5 round mag or two, also, because I don't want to have that much weight in rounds hanging off, but yeah.....

I don't know, I'd just realllly love an autoloading .308 pistol. Would it be legal?





I like pain, loud guns, and big brass rounds. :D

[cordex]

Wait until after September. With any luck, you won't have to worry about weight.

[Third_Rail]

Woohoo! I could make a .308 autoloading pistol that wouldn't hurt (too much :D ) to fire!

I don't know what the huge appeal is for me, I just would love to be able to carry such a thumper to the range and get some heads turning!

Oh, and I'm only 18 now, but I'll be moving to VT or ME, possibly OR before I turn 21, so I won't be able to do any work until then anyway. Hopefully, if we all do our job, it will still be legal for me to do.

[Badger Arms]

You could do it after September, yes. The weight will kill you till then.

[Third_Rail]

Waaait, the AWB is also dictating weights, etc., I thought that was something else? Geeze, I didn't know it covered so much.

In any case, it seems that I'd have to make my own receiver from scratch. Would it still be legal?

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

Anybody have ballistics for .308 out of a 5 or 6 inch barrel?

If you could make the FAL action function in a short configuration, recoil should be manageable.

[Badger Arms]

First, the you can get any component receiver you want. The rule is that said receiver must NEVER have been made into a rifle. It would have to be logged into the FFL book as a component receiver or a pistol. You don't have to 'carve' your own.

Second, the realistic limit on the length of the barrel is around 10" with the FAL and its operating system. DSA sells short barreled assemblies for their LE only and Short Barreled Rifles. To get an idea of ballistics, I'd call DSA.

Finally, the FAL has a recoil spring which goes back into the buttstock. You'd have to get a bolt and recoil-spring designed for use with the folding stock so you could avoid use of the buttstock. It would also involve some creativity in that you'd probably have to manufacture a cover plate that didn't readilly accept a buttstock.

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

So we are talking about a large piece of hardware. I would rather have the 16 inch model with folding stock :)

[Nightcrawler]

It's been done before. (http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73813) :D

[natedog]

I wonder what the ballistics are of the .308 cartridge out of such a short barrel? I don't think it'd matter at close range, you could simply ignite them on fire with the muzzle flash.

[Third_Rail]

Saaaaawwheeet link.


Okay, this won't work for the size I want, then. Legality of crafting a revolver to handle .308?

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

revolver to handle .308?

I hope you know a good orthopedic guy cause you may need rebuilt wrists :what:

[natedog]

I don't think you'd get real .308 performance out of a shorter barrel. If you want .308 level energies out of a revolver, why not go for the S&W 500? It has about 2600ft. lbs.

[Third_Rail]

Well, I want a revolver or autoloading pistol that fires rifle rounds (.223, .308, 7.62x39, etc.) for laughs and possible SHTF times.

[Nightcrawler]

Bushmaster makes that Carbon-15 pistol. It's a chopped down AR-15 clone with a carbon fiber reciever, to get under the 50 ounces weight.

After the AWB ends and the 50 ounces rule goes away, you can get 7" barrel kits and no-buttstock caps to make a legal AR-type pistol, and to hell with the weight.

All .223, of course.

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

I think that mini FAL pistol is about to be my winter CCW.

I haven't had that much lust since I found a '65 Mustang convertible with 12,000 miles on it.

Regards,
Rabbit.

[Dionysusigma]

Gotta love the carry handle they put on that thing :D

I think a revolver chambered in 7.62x39 or .223 would be an interesting idea. There's already a BFR in .45-70... :uhoh:

[Third_Rail]

I wonder what the legality would be on a revolver like that, considering the amount of FMJ ammo available and the fact that they'd probably be "AP" against Lvl III vests.

[1911Tuner]

Gives rise to a question that I often ponder when faced with something
new or unusual...

"What is it for?":scrutiny: :confused:

[cordex]

I wonder what the legality would be on a revolver [that fired rifle cartridges], considering the amount of FMJ ammo available and the fact that they'd probably be "AP" against Lvl III vests.
The legal definition of AP (as in Armor Piercing Pistol Ammunition) is based solely on the type of metals used in bullet construction.

I've heard that bottleneck cartridges don't tend to work very well in revolvers.

[Third_Rail]

Darn, that's right! Still, I'd love to give it a try.

Also, I may end up finding another semi-auto action and adapting it to .308/AOW.

[Badger Arms]

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/attachment.php?postid=610821

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Thanks for sticking the picture up, Badger. I bet somebody can whip together a Uzi-style swingout shoulder rig for that. Deep fried to a crackly crunch. I gotta go find my blood pressure pills now. The girl is cute, too.

I guess I'm too easily excited in my advancing old age.

Regards,
Rabbit.

[7.62FullMetalJacket]

:what:

She's cute.

Oh, and what a fire storm :what: :what: :what:

[cpileri]

Obviously not using a Smith Vortex Flash Eliminator!
C-

[LD]

Third_Rail....

I like pain, loud guns, and big brass rounds.
I don't know what the huge appeal is for me, I just would love to be able to carry such a thumper to the range and get some heads turning!
Well, I want a revolver or autoloading pistol that fires rifle rounds for laughs and possible SHTF times.

I think I know of something that will satisfy all of the above requirements. How about the Pfeifer-Zaliska .600 Nitro Express revolver? Pushes a 900gr bullet at ~1900fps (according to the maker). Even if you only get 1500fps out of the 14" barrel thats 4500fpe. Pretty much makes any body armor a moot point because even if it didn't penetrate the armor it would most likely break every bone behind it and slam you to the ground like a rag-doll.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I think its unfortunately an NFA weapon since it's over .50, there fore classified as a "Destructive Device."


Pfeifer-Zaliska (http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/Zeliska.pdf)

[fmjcafe]

:what:

[Third_Rail]

Well, too heavy of a projectile, and also not a "common" round, and not easily made without registration, so I'm going to have to lean well away from that.

[djsjd]

Yahoo!!! Bet'cha you'd only have to pull the trigger on *that baby* (http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=PostWrap&file=index&page=http://www.pfeifer-waffen.at/cms/sonstige/zeliska.htm) just ONCE. Anyone left conscious from the blast / shock wave wouldn't be standing with their hands up - they'd be on their knees begging you not to pull the trigger again!